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allen
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Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:01:31 PM

Please give the man some carries.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:19:12 PM

Why? What evidence do you have to support your case?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:27:39 PM

Agreed, I am not sure what it would hurt to give this man a shot especially if nobody else is running it well. Feels like he is still in the doghouse

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:29:03 PM

The runner doesn't matter at this point. Our online is getting destroyed.

So is our dline for that matter. We are getting bitchslapped in the trenches today

Last Edited: 9/19/2015 4:31:10 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat

allen
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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:32:32 PM

He has more size and speed than Oulette. Let's pound them. We could have Bo Jackson on the sidelines and he would not get any carries because of what Oulette did last year. So predictable.

Last Edited: 9/19/2015 4:45:04 PM by allen

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 4:39:12 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

The runner doesn't matter at this point. Our online is getting destroyed.

So is our dline for that matter. We are getting bitchslapped in the trenches today

We are missing Mr. Lowery. No doubt.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 5:07:22 PM

allen wrote:

He has more size and speed than Oulette. Let's pound them. We could have Bo Jackson on the sidelines and he would not get any carries because of what Oulette did last year. So predictable.

How about we give it to Mr. White?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 5:11:09 PM

Why not?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 5:26:49 PM

allen wrote:

Why not?

How about we give it to Mr. White?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 6:01:54 PM

allen wrote:

Why not?

Well, SLU is playing a front 3 of 320, 320 & 270. Pounding without Lowery just might not be wise.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 6:42:41 PM

I'm guessing Irons is in the doghouse. Suspended for a half. Dorian Brown gets in first. Just a hunch.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 7:14:48 PM

Irons has made what, two carries? One was a TD run with great blocking that half the posters on this board could have made. Why give him runs over more experienced runners who have proved they can do it?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 7:43:05 PM

If our number one rusher is averaging three yards a carry, you have to mix it up. Irons is 221lbs and runs a 4.4, we need to give him some carries. Like I said, if we had Bo Jackson, he wouldn't get carries.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 9:45:19 PM

allen wrote:

THank you for explaining this so succinctly.

There've been whisperings that Irons--size, speed-- is exceptional.

But, exactly--if he was Bo Jackson, we'd be content to keep it a secret instead of giving him a few carries, even if those carries were in garbage time when there's no harm to seeing if.

Anyone...hello bcat2..who doesn't get this is a waste.

Why would we want to find out ...when for great stretches of the last two games our running game has done very little??

Last Edited: 9/19/2015 9:46:50 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 9:48:13 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

The runner doesn't matter at this point. Our online is getting destroyed.

So is our dline for that matter. We are getting bitchslapped in the trenches today

Really, really good point.

Why find out if Irons could be the one back who'd make yardage in these circumstances?

How stupid that would be.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/19/2015 11:23:14 PM

Maybe it's Papi White's time, or AJ's time, or Iron's time. Or maybe Mr. Brown. Ohio has a cornucopia of talented backs!

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 2:03:30 AM

BurritoBuggySlave wrote:

I'm guessing Irons is in the doghouse. Suspended for a half. Dorian Brown gets in first. Just a hunch.

Or perhaps he's not nearly as good as a very few of the monday morning coaches on this forum think he is.....

The coaches see him daily....if they don't think he's better than the backs in front of him then he's not. No matter how much you tout weights and speeds you've read about.

And the coaches probably don't feel they have to prove it to you or any other fans....especially since the team is now 3-0.

Funny how fickle some people are....Oullette got too many carries last year simply from the need as too many of the other backs proved they could not hold onto the ball. Now, after the coaches said they were gonna spread the carries around more to keep him healthy and keep teams from keying on him, some of the fans are turning on him and want him out apparently.

Good thing the coaches aren't dumb enough to listen to a bunch of drunks on a message board or the team would be 0-3 right now.

There is more complaining about the coaches, the players they play and the play calling this year than last....which is really odd to me other than it proves some people simply cannot be pleased.

Last Edited: 9/20/2015 2:04:11 AM by WoodyHaha

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 2:24:01 AM

Good point. The game carries Irons has had, while an admittedly small sample, clearly show no potential at all.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2015-201...

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 8:33:02 AM

WoodyHaha wrote:

...There is more complaining about the coaches, the players they play and the play calling this year than last....which is really odd to me other than it proves some people simply cannot be pleased.

You are observant. As recently as 2008 it was the reverse - the fans were completely behind the team, and even losing did not significantly dampen their enthusiasm or support. After 2009-2011, however, the sense of entitlement went up significantly, and Ohio fans are now much like fans elsewhere.

It may seem strange to you that even winning does not dampen the negativity, but it's perfectly normal. What winning does do is to raise expectations, and that in turn increases the urgency to find things to be negative about. You see, before the season the expectation of most fans was perhaps 7 wins, so if they won 8, that would be decent and the fans would be happy, right? Now that they are 3-0, expectations are higher, and since there is little of substance to complain about, the complaints turn to style, strategy, and of course, player selection.

Unfortunately that's the ugly side of football - the more successful you are, the more the fans feel entitled to. All you can do is to accept that that is how it will be, but don't let it get to you. Over the next few seasons we are going to enjoy some very good football, and an awful lot of wins. No, of course it won't dampen the negativity, but we can enjoy it nonetheless. In fact, there is even a perverse pleasure to be had from knowing how much fun some people are missing with their constant complaining.

Note that I do like seeing the other players, too, such as Irons, Brown, and Windham. The difference is that I trust the coaches to know when to use them, plus, I've always been an optimist, so I tend to avoid the negativity.

Last Edited: 9/20/2015 9:18:23 AM by L.C.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 10:11:14 AM

Good observation on the expectations and negativity, LC. Were the wins a result of perfect execution, artistic and dominant? Maybe, maybe not. But to quote the Ozone philosopher RP Kirkland, "is that not the winning team?"
I believe it was three times so far this year.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 10:17:19 AM

Two points: 1. The negativity on this board seems to come primarily from a handful of posters; it seems to me most posters are fairly positive in the main. 2. I've heard reports from multiple sources that a good deal of practice time has been devoted to two-back sets featuring AJ and Irons. When Frank & Company will decided to unveil this to public view in a game, I don't know, but I trust them to pick the appropriate time. Perhaps, they are not yet running it with good efficiency in practice, or there's another reason, we haven't seen it yet. I, for one, have the patience to wait.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 10:31:14 AM

can we please see if the coaches will arrange some sort of organized gathering of the players between games where the coaches can watch them perform and make assessments of their performance? I don't what you would call the gathering, maybe "practice" or something like that? Just brainstorming....

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 2:03:40 PM

I do not understand the obsession with Irons. I'm not doubting he doesn't have skills, but seriously...what do you know about him that we don't...or the coaches don't. There may be several reasons hes not getting more touches...

1. He is not as good as Daz, Papi, or AJ.
2. He can run the ball but can't block well.
3. He has trouble picking up the blitz.
4. He doesn't have the hands to catch swing passes.
5. The coaching staff doesn't want to give future conference opponents video of him.
6. He doesn't put 100% into practice.
7. They are still trying to find the best ways to use him.
8. He is in the coach's doghouse.
9. He hasn't fully commanded the playbook.
10. He has an undisclosed minor injury.

I've never seen more people whine and complain about a player NOT playing more...if he were playing more, you would probably be complaining that AJ isn't getting enough touches after having a promising season last year.

**Edit: Self edited my use of potentially offensive choice of words...

Last Edited: 9/20/2015 2:21:11 PM by OUBobcat13

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 2:18:19 PM

I think Iron's time will come.

Right now I am happy that we are 3-0 and have a crack at a Big Ten Team to be 4-0 going into the real season.

Not sure if Iron's is the next best thing than sliced bread or not (I am not on the coaching staff).

I optomistically am a fan of OUBobcat'13s point number five.

5. The coaching staff doesn't want to give future conference opponents video of him.

We will see. The MAC conference is tough this year. As of right now I think we got a legit shot.

Last Edited: 9/20/2015 2:21:15 PM by Urban Bobcat

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 9/20/2015 10:41:30 PM

OUBobcat13 wrote:

All of this is right. I'm guessing those wanting Irons to play have seen him run the ball all of two times ever. The coaches I'm sure have seen him run the ball thousands of times between last year and this year. Who do you think is in better position to determine how many carries he should get?

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