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GoCats105
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Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 7:24:58 AM

Round and round she goes. Where will TOS end up? Nobody knows!

Illinois
Maryland
North Texas
South Carolina
USC

More to come...

Last Edited: 10/13/2015 10:33:35 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 8:05:06 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Round and round she goes. Where will TOS end up? Nobody knows!

Illinois
North Texas
USC
South Carolina

More to come...

Maryland
UCF, in all likelihood

Last Edited: 10/13/2015 8:07:19 AM by Pataskala

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 10:25:24 AM

I'm sure we're far from done. It's amazingly early in the season for the number of changes we've already seen, but there are always more late in the season. Anyone with 4 years or more is a candidate, if they aren't getting the job done. Here are some that might fit in that category:
UCF 10.5 years, 81-66, this year 0-6
Iowa State 6.5 years, 7-31, this year 2-3
Virginia 5.5 years, 24-42, this year 1-4
Miami, FL 4.5 years, 31-24, this year 3-2
Hawaii 3.5 years, 10-33, this year 2-4

Rarely will a coach get fired in his first year or two, barring some off the field incident or other scandal, or at least strong evidence that they are in over their head. That will save some coaches who are struggling in year two, particularly if they are good recruiters, such as Bohl at Wyoming or Martin at Miami. On the margin is coaches who are in their third year who are still struggling and seem over their head. Some will get their fourth year, while others might not:
Purdue 2.5 years, 5-25, this year 1-5
Idaho 2.5 years, 3-25, 1-4 this year
Georgia State 2.5 years, 2-27, 1-4 this year
New Mexico State 2.5 years, 4-25, 0-5 this year

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 10:39:31 AM

I'm gonna say Virginia, Iowa State and Hawaii for sure, barring any major turnarounds.

Miami is an interesting case. Golden inherited a program in the middle of an NCAA investigation and never got his feet set with recruiting. Now that the investigation is over, he can recruit. I think we might see some improvement from them if they keep him in place. The last thing they need is more turnover.

On the flip side, coaches who might move up:

Fuente (Memphis)
Rhule (Temple)
Addazio (B.C.) - I only bring him up because imagine the D he could create with better players than BC has.
Herman (Houston)
Fleck (WMU)
Campbell (Toledo)
Harsin (Boise State)
Graham (Arizona State) - he's always ready to leave

Last Edited: 10/13/2015 10:39:38 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 10:43:52 AM

I don't see Fleck going anywhere this year, unless they win out the rest of the season, and hopefully after this Saturday that won't be possible! ;-)

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 11:21:16 AM

I thought it would be interesting to compare the lists of coaches who might get fired, and the list of coaches who might move up to my list comparing actual results on the field to recruiting, which was: http://tinyurl.com/o8jexy7

Coaches Already Fired, Retired, resigned, or otherwise no longer coaching:
USC +8 (fired for off-the-field issues)
Illinois +7 (fired for off-the-field issues)
North Texas -21
South Carolina -40
Maryland -49

Hot Seat:
Iowa State +4
Idaho -2
Georgia State -4
New Mexico State -17
UCF -21
Hawaii -21
Purdue -26
Miami, FL -37
Virginia -52

Your list of people that might move up:
Harsin (Boise State) +47
Campbell (Toledo) +45
Fuente (Memphis) +34
Herman (Houston) +20
Rhule (Temple) +19
Addazio (B.C.) +11
Fleck (WMU) -6
Graham (Arizona State) -10

There is obviously a relationship here, and I guess it's not surprising that they are related. Coaches that don't get the results you would expect from their recruits would need to be exceptional recruiters in order to succeed. Thus the only people on you list of candidates to move up that have negative numbers are exceptional recruiters that have only slightly negative numbers (like Fleck). Conversely people that get a lot out of the players that they have are always candidates to move up.

Applying the same principle, lets look at the coaches at the bottom of my other list who are not listed above. Are these schools also potential job openings for TOS?
Texas: Strong, 2d year, -63
Kansas: Beatty, 1st year, -55
Rutgers: Flood, 4th year, -46
USF: Taggart, 3rd year, -46
Auburn: Malzahn, 3rd year, -39
SMU: Morris, 1st year, -30
Oregon: Helfrich, 3rd year, -30
FAU: Partridge, 2d year, -29
Vandy: Mason, 2d year, -27

I suspect that many fans of these teams are not happy, but since all of these are relatively new coaches, they safe for now, especially if some of their other years have been better.

And, at the other end of the list I posted in the other thread, are these candidates to move up?
Navy: +75 Niumatalolo, 9th year
Georgia Southern: +52 Fritz, 2d year
W. Kentucky: +49 Brohm, 2d year
Utah State: +48 Wells, 3rd year
Appalachian State: +42 Satterfield, 3rd year
Kansas State, Snyder +37, 24th year
Louisiana Tech: +37 Holtz, 3rd year
Utah: Whittingham, 10th year
Georgia Tech: Johnson, 7th year
MTSU: Stockstill, 10th year

In most cases they are probably too new of a head coach to get a job offer to move up, or at the other extreme, they are coaches who have been in their current job a long time, and who aren't likely to move. Usually the big schools want to see a 3-4 year track record before they sign to give away the big bucks. Give a couple of these guys another good year next year, and they'll be moving on up.

Last Edited: 10/15/2015 4:54:47 PM by L.C.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 1:52:57 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Round and round she goes. Where will TOS end up? Nobody knows!

Illinois
Maryland
North Texas
South Carolina
USC

More to come...

You can say "USC doesn't have a coach" and not have to clarify which coast you are referring to!

Being a UC fan and following the AAC I have a feeling a lot of the teams having great years currently will be sans coaches come bowl season.

Memphis and Temple especially if they continue their runs.

Last Edited: 10/13/2015 1:53:07 PM by OUcats82

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 4:23:35 PM

Typo- the Old Ball Coach at South Carolina was not fired. He never had a losing season ever at South Carolina and went 11-2 in 2011, 2012 and 2013. He just couldn't get the level of talent to come to South Carolina when competing against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia and the others. The biggest problem was the same as Ohio which was getting an elite QB, I compare the 3 really good years at USC with Connor Shaw and Ohio with TT were almost clones of each other. South Carolina football and Ohio football programs are extremely similar in that the East Division of the SEC/MAC are the weak divisions and South Carolina only won their division once and lost one championship. The West Divison in both conferences have dominated with 3-4 strong teams in recent history and Georgia in the east is to USC is like BG is to Ohio.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 4:41:58 PM

PhiTau74 wrote:

The biggest problem was the same as Ohio which was getting an elite QB, I compare the 3 really good years at USC with Connor Shaw and Ohio with TT were almost clones of each other.

Very true, and it was noticeable how different the offense he ran at SC was compared to the Fun and Gun of Florida. What is it about Columbia vs. Gainesville that affected QB recruiting? There is some really good high school football played in South Carolina too.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/13/2015 5:36:22 PM

PhiTau74 wrote:

Typo- the Old Ball Coach at South Carolina was not fired. ...

I edited my post above to say "Coaches already fired or retired". Thanks for the correction.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/14/2015 11:03:39 PM

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/15/2015 3:36:07 PM

Here's an interesting article on Spurrier:
http://tinyurl.com/o4lgqht
It points out Spurrier's perspective, that "You could take favorable jobs as a bad coach and look okay, or take great jobs as a good coach and look orders of magnitude better than you might actually be" but that if you really want to be considered a good coach, the much harder challenge is to win at a school without a tradition of winning.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/15/2015 4:02:38 PM

L.C. wrote:

As with Grobe taking over at Ohio and Wake Forest...

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/15/2015 4:46:57 PM

L.C. wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

Typo- the Old Ball Coach at South Carolina was not fired. ...

I edited my post above to say "Coaches already fired or retired". Thanks for the correction.

LC, Spurrier specifically said that he is resigning, not retiring, and didn't know if he'd coach again. Want to change the post again?

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/15/2015 4:56:07 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

L.C. wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

Typo- the Old Ball Coach at South Carolina was not fired. ...

I edited my post above to say "Coaches already fired or retired". Thanks for the correction.

LC, Spurrier specifically said that he is resigning, not retiring, and didn't know if he'd coach again. Want to change the post again?

LOL. OK, I changed it one more time, and left it very open ended so that no one can complain.

Mike Johnson wrote:

As with Grobe taking over at Ohio and Wake Forest...

Yes, though I think that the comment was more a pot-shot at coaches like Mack Brown or Saban.

Last Edited: 10/15/2015 4:58:03 PM by L.C.

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RE: Coaching Carousel

Posted: 10/16/2015 8:53:20 AM

L.C. wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

L.C. wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

Typo- the Old Ball Coach at South Carolina was not fired. ...

I edited my post above to say "Coaches already fired or retired". Thanks for the correction.

LC, Spurrier specifically said that he is resigning, not retiring, and didn't know if he'd coach again. Want to change the post again?

LOL. OK, I changed it one more time, and left it very open ended so that no one can complain.

Mike Johnson wrote:

As with Grobe taking over at Ohio and Wake Forest...

Yes, though I think that the comment was more a pot-shot at coaches like Mack Brown or Saban.

LC, I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining, I was actually making fun of Spurriers take on his leaving and talking about consulting or whatever in the future. Pretty funny to me.

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Posted: 10/16/2015 4:21:55 PM

Spurrier hated to recruit, he is an X's and O's guy and the recruiting has definitely dropped a notch the last few years. Gamecocks always got good players but it was mostly WR's and DB's. The local paper shows 24 players on NFL rosters but again they are a mirror of the Bobcats prior to this year. Georgia, Clemson and even Florida seemed to get a lot of the better local talent and South Carolina has less than 5 million people so it's not like it has that many players to pick from.
At 70 I don't see Spurrier coaching, he belongs to Augusta National so he will be playing a lot more golf.

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