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But I've seen almost every game this staff has coached for 10+ years (though, of all things, today's game wasn't available in L.A. on TV or internet). We play to a system. A very conservative system. So, we don't give our athletes much chance to shine. Again, I only was able to listen to today's game. But I sense that we have the talent to been Minne by 10 to 14. I sense that their O is unimpressive/limited whereas we have a good line and a variety of skill players. But we don't. We hang with the system. So, no two true two back sets. (OCF--you've heard of extensive practice of this...but???) Nothing much different. Runs on third and long. Yup--worked once in first half. But we tried Daz on a sweep late on 3rd an 9 at about their 20. I think we hit the field goal after the run failed, but come on--If Vick was, by stats, a top 10 passer before today and there's a thread about his heroic effort today, give him a chance to pass it there like any team, save for the most rigid, would! Their last drive--my understanding is that we rushed only four. Why not blitz some? Our d-backs are supposed to be our best unit. I know; some will say that our DB's failed on the last drive. But we stress them so much and show the other side nothing new at key moments. We are so system driven and conservative and don't give our athletes a chance to shine or try new stuff. I'm not asking for radical stuff. Two back sets and flood-a-side blitzes and such are mainstream. We just play a system that seems designed to give us a chance but not to give us a chance to shine. It wouldn't excite me if I was a player. And it seems perfectly suited to give us a long tenure without a MACC. I admit that we played for such as their turnover on the punt. But if we don't get that, this games not close at the end, not much in issue in the 4th quarter given our approach to offense. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 9:40:43 PM  We were led, going into the game, to believe that Minnesota would have issues on the offensive line, but that didn't turn out to be the case. We were also led to believe that Minnesota's QB was not a good runner. Again, that wasn't the case. Finally, we were led to believe that Minnesota wasn't an effective passing team. Again, that did not turn out to be true. I didn't see the game, either, only heard it, but numerous people commented that Minnesota's offensive line was dominating the line of scrimmage, and based on the huge chunks of rushing yardage they were racking up, that certainly has to be true. In the first half, it seemed that Ohio played their normal defense, moving people around, blitzing, etc, but they were getting eaten alive on the ground, and even blitzing did not result in sacks. Instead the blitzing led to big gains on running plays, and big gains on screen passes. In the second half Ohio correctly concluded that if they let Minnesota keep running the ball, Ohio would lose for sure, so they changed up the defense, and brought more people into the box, and dared Minnesota to pass. They also paid more attention to the screen passes. With those changes the things that Minnesota did in the first half no longer worked. Many/most rushing attempts were stopped for short yardage, and there were no successful screen passes in the second half. Unfortunately, Minnesota was able to move the ball with more vertical passing, and they still won. I have no idea what the answer was on defense, the real problem is that Ohio wasn't really able to stop Minnesota convincingly all day. Minnesota averaged 5.7 yards/carry and 8 yards per pass attempt on the day. You aren't going to win very often when you are giving up that kind of offense. Despite this, because of sound strategy, and oportunistic play, Ohio nearly won, yet it's precisely the things that nearly won the game that you criticize. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,419 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 9:45:45 PM  When it comes to critical plays, how come no one is mentioning the unsportsmanlike penalty in the first half? We've been skating by on huge penalty numbers the first few weeks and, finally, this one really bit us in the ass. Minnesota is punting until that penalty and we are going into the half with a lead. Instead, Minny gets 15 yards, a new set of downs, and is in the endzone a few plays later. That was a killer play even in the first half. Second half, we really were playing great two downs at a time, but Minny kept converting 3rd and long. Seemed like we went the entire second half needing a 3rd down stop and could just not get the key one. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:00:10 PM  L.C. I agree. Every foe we play is splendid. Every game we play is exemplary. There is nothing at all wrong with our approach. The lack of MACC in 10 years and lack of W over MAC team which ended year with a winning record for decades are not relevant. All praise to our approach to today's game and for hanging with Minne and a W for 59+ minutes. There's not a finer program in the nation. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:20:49 PM  I love it Monroe. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,913 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:24:16 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: This isn't a perfect analysis. Okay, you got that part correct. I'm afraid you are becoming the blind man and the elephant - touching one thing and extrapolating it to the whole. It is especially true in this case where you didn't see the game - so we can forgive your misinformation. You cry of the conservative play calling. I'd have that conversation in the past, can't agree this year, especially not today. Most obvious example - going for it on 4th down - instead of taking the 3. But it goes beyond that glaring example. We had 9 drives plus the final one. On those 9 drives we opened the drives with a run 6 times and a passed 3 times. (The runs by the way averaged 6.5 yards - 2,7,1,7,11,11). That is effective (not Woody at all) - and a good mix. You are noticeably upset about the end of the 1st half. Since you didn't actually see the game let me explain what happened and why. LC is correct, their offensive line dominated the first half. We were pushed back on our heels - being overpowered. They had just scored and their team and fans were back in the game. The last thing we could afford was a turnover or even a 3 and out (by the way, we only had one of those today - on the opening drive - which we didn't score on). You state we made no effort, nada, etc. to score at the end of the 1st half. We played it smart, but effective. Control the ball, take time off the clock, but try to advance it. So we run 3 times 7,7,( first down), 6 - to set up 2nd and 4 at our 40. We've reestablished field position. On 2nd down I agree, we should have run a play option for slant, or flat - something safe, but more aggressive - and the slant had been there all 1st half. But the way AJ was running - can't go crazy over the call. He gets stuffed. 3rd and 4 - pass to Smith (who played great) goes incomplete. Punt it and we go to half. We are an underdog in the other team's house, with momentum on their side and a QB that was having difficulty walking - something no one has talked about. Worse case scenario we go in tied at the half (and get him patched up). I know you don't like or appreciate the approach. But what you like has nothing to do with what is right. As I told you in the chat, my only concern with time management is we tend to get the call into Vick too late. Need to be more decisive in the calling. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:39:48 PM  It is pretty spot on. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:50:03 PM  cc-cat wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: This isn't a perfect analysis. Okay, you got that part correct. I'm afraid you are becoming the blind man and the elephant - touching one thing and extrapolating it to the whole. It is especially true in this case where you didn't see the game - so we can forgive your misinformation. You cry of the conservative play calling. I'd have that conversation in the past, can't agree this year, especially not today. Most obvious example - going for it on 4th down - instead of taking the 3. But it goes beyond that glaring example. We had 9 drives plus the final one. On those 9 drives we opened the drives with a run 6 times and a passed 3 times. (The runs by the way averaged 6.5 yards - 2,7,1,7,11,11). That is effective (not Woody at all) - and a good mix. You are noticeably upset about the end of the 1st half. Since you didn't actually see the game let me explain what happened and why. LC is correct, their offensive line dominated the first half. We were pushed back on our heels - being overpowered. They had just scored and their team and fans were back in the game. The last thing we could afford was a turnover or even a 3 and out (by the way, we only had one of those today - on the opening drive - which we didn't score on). You state we made no effort, nada, etc. to score at the end of the 1st half. We played it smart, but effective. Control the ball, take time off the clock, but try to advance it. So we run 3 times 7,7,( first down), 6 - to set up 2nd and 4 at our 40. We've reestablished field position. On 2nd down I agree, we should have run a play option for slant, or flat - something safe, but more aggressive - and the slant had been there all 1st half. But the way AJ was running - can't go crazy over the call. He gets stuffed. 3rd and 4 - pass to Smith (who played great) goes incomplete. Punt it and we go to half. We are an underdog in the other team's house, with momentum on their side and a QB that was having difficulty walking - something no one has talked about. Worse case scenario we go in tied at the half (and get him patched up). I know you don't like or appreciate the approach. But what you like has nothing to do with what is right. As I told you in the chat, my only concern with time management is we tend to get the call into Vick too late. Need to be more decisive in the calling. +1 "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 10:53:02 PM  We played our consistently conservative hand, you are trying to justify it because you are conservative. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 11:30:06 PM  Minne clearly had us on our heels and was kicking the teeth out of us as it was tied 14-14. It is amazing how rigid conservative, buying-into-it some of you are. Again, tell me how our last drive of the first half (four runs, then a pass) could have been more conservative. Oh; I know: Fifth play should also have been a run. Yeah, that drive was a legitimate attempt to score. That didn't reflect fear paralysis of a turnover or Minne getting the ball back and inability to stop them getting ball back with very little time left. Surely, what we're doing is a lock to get us a MACC this year. Don't we have a senior qb and several starters on our O-line? You think chance of MACC is going to be better next year? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/26/2015 11:34:19 PM  If we win six games and go to a bowl game, our fans will be happy. They won't expect us to win these games until we are in the Big 10. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,411 Status: Online     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:31:22 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: When it comes to critical plays, how come no one is mentioning the unsportsmanlike penalty in the first half? We've been skating by on huge penalty numbers the first few weeks and, finally, this one really bit us in the ass. Minnesota is punting until that penalty and we are going into the half with a lead. Instead, Minny gets 15 yards, a new set of downs, and is in the endzone a few plays later. That was a killer play even in the first half. +1 I think that bonehead play cost us a halftime and lead and probably the game. I see no excuse for an unsportsmanlike penalty in that situation. None. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 1:05:19 AM  OCF--where are your two-back sets...espec with Irons? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,411 Status: Online     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 1:14:52 AM  I'm waiting just like you, Monroe. I thought we'd see them today. We didn't. I'm perplexed on that one. I do have it from several sources that they have practiced them extensively with AJ and Irons in the last few weeks. Last Edited: 9/27/2015 1:15:49 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,640 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 10:33:56 AM  We've been asking a tiger to change it's stripes.... I'm not talking about the coaching staff. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,913 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 11:58:22 AM  Blind Man - Don't forget to feed your elephant today Monroe Slavin wrote: "This elephant is like a snake" - Minne clearly had us on our heels and was kicking the teeth out of us as it was tied 14-14. No, you are touching its tail with that stat. When we got the ball, we had been out gained 240 to 200 and had given up back to back 87 yard drives. The D was on its heels - but we must remember, you did not see the game. Monroe Slavin wrote: It is amazing how rigid conservative, buying-into-it some of you are. - Don't you just hate "them" - Monroe Slavin wrote: Again, tell me how our last drive of the first half (four runs, then a pass) could have been more conservative. Oh; I know: Fifth play should also have been a run. No, that is its legs. We could have simply run up the middle with straight ahead blocking, but instead we ran zone and gap blocking at the line. But the honest response is it as conservative - smart but conservative - I would have passed on 2nd down after we got to the 40. Monroe Slavin wrote: Yeah, that drive was a legitimate attempt to score. That didn't reflect fear paralysis of a turnover or Minne getting the ball back and inability to stop them getting ball back with very little time left. The reality of the game is that when the offense takes the field, the FIRST objective is not always to score. Now settle down, I did not say it was not an objective, just not the FIRST objective. For example, when we get the ball at our own 2, while fans sit there and say, "let's go 98 yards!" the players and coaches know the FIRST objective is to get the ball out from the shadow of the goal line, to reestablish field position. When we got the ball at that point in the 2nd half, the FIRST objective was to control the rest of the half - for the reasons I stated above. Once we did that (getting to 40, then we should have changed the gear). Again, I know you don't like it. But that doesn't make it wrong. Monroe Slavin wrote: Surely, what we're doing is a lock to get us a MACC this year. Don't we have a senior qb and several starters on our O-line? You think chance of MACC is going to be better next year? As you saw (that's right, you didn't) the QB could barely walk at that point. Let's see how MAC play turns out. Yesterday was there fore the taking, they didn't close. The game plan was the right plan. Last Edited: 9/27/2015 11:59:29 AM by cc-cat Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:09:27 PM  Clue: we lost. I admit that if we'd won, then I'd say my point of view held no water...at least for yesterday You're side is so Republican. You're going to claim that you're right no matter the facts of yesterday. Again, the FACTS show that our plan was perfectly geared to make losing significantly possible. Sorry. You don't get to make up the facts. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:10:34 PM  Also, that you hate me 1) has no meaning or effect at all for me and 2) does not make what I say any more or less correct. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,892 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:21:43 PM  Monroe....only Liberals use feelings to make their point, not facts. GO BOBCATS Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Buffalo Grove, IL Post Count: 1,218 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:28:44 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Monroe....only Liberals use feelings to make their point, not facts. GO BOBCATS For the win "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:34:32 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: Monroe....only Liberals use feelings to make their point, not facts. GO BOBCATS Oh god. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,574 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:40:18 PM  Everything is available on the internet. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top mid70sbobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 722 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 12:48:36 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Also, that you hate me 1) has no meaning or effect at all for me and 2) does not make what I say any more or less correct. What makes you incorrect is you posted earlier that you "sensed" this or that. And you posted you didn't even watch the game. If you didn't see the game then you don't know the facts. You merely draw conclusions based on what you hear and/or extrapolate. Maybe you should contact Dr. McDavis and self nominate yourself to replace Frank since he's so inept in your estimation. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,411 Status: Online     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 1:01:37 PM  Okay, I got it, we need to fire Frank and let Monroe head the search committee for his replacement. The number one requirement will be to hire a LIBERAL coach, preferably a card-carrying member of Bernie Sanders' Vermont Socialist Party. This will insure creative play calling and unorthodox formations and we'll MACC every year. It'll be football utopia. It is incredible the insights you can glean from this board. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: How we play    Posted: 9/27/2015 2:58:21 PM  I can be a stubborn ass. But I listen. If you work for me or do business with me, then you know that, except for maybe an initial/short moment of obstinacy, I don't cling to inappropriate or against facts or against good sense points of view. There's a good core of you here who wouldn't allow that my facts and opinions might be right if your lives depended on it. Shut me up; win MACC. Play like we'll win MACC. Look, we all know that I'll be annoyed angry if we don't MACC. And, we all know that you guys will have not a concern that 11 years and no MACC. And I'll keep asking what will it take for you to see. You think that I'm tiresome, that I'm the problem? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! 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