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Topic: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Topic: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

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akroncat
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Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 11:49:53 AM

Found this online this morning. Very interesting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ex-michig...

Bcat2
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 3:27:00 PM

OUr new TE made a wise decision. A shame Michigan did him that way, but, he seems to know how to land on his feet. The offense just added another player.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 5:08:35 PM

Great that he's on board at Ohio. Is that commonplace to make 5th-year players "try out" for the team?

On one hand, a new coach coming in may feel like the 5th-year players got their degree as promised and want to look for the best talent to round out the team.

On the other hand, it sends a poor message to others who want to dedicate 5 years to the program but are now cautious about what it means for that final year.

The Optimist
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 5:23:36 PM

I think their loss could be a BIG gain for us. We bring back 5 starters on the o-line and now we get to throw in a 5th year tight end with experience startng at a major program? This offense is going to bulldoze down the field.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 8:39:51 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Considering the past four years under Hoke were progressively worse (11-2, 8-5, 7-6, 5-7) I can see why Harbaugh might not be impressed with fifth-years. If he has the right attitude -- and I assume he will have, or Solich wouldn't take a chance with him -- he will be a great asset for blocking and should help anchor the receiving corps.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 10:12:04 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Offensively I don't know how much he will contribute. Didn't he spend most of his career at Michigan as a defensive end? Either way, his addition could be a plus for the program.

Bobcat Grad 86
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 10:25:13 PM

Our friends son is a red-shirt freshman QB at Michigan and they indicated that almost every aspect of the program is much more intense than before including an offensive playbook that is about three times the size of the Hoke playbook.

Last Edited: 7/23/2015 10:29:34 PM by Bobcat Grad 86

L.C.
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/23/2015 10:36:39 PM

Pataskala wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

The only gain that Harbaugh gets from chasing away the fifth year players is that he gets to use 3 scholarships a year earlier than he otherwise would, in exchange for a somewhat tacky move. The bigger question is what impact it will have on the other players. Will it put fear into them, and make them work harder? Will it negatively impact morale? Will people use it against him in recruiting?

In any case, if he follows in the footsteps of Talbert, and gives Ohio a solid TE to work into the rotation, this will help Ohio.

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The Optimist
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 1:25:24 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

Offensively I don't know how much he will contribute. Didn't he spend most of his career at Michigan as a defensive end? Either way, his addition could be a plus for the program.

He did start at DE then switched to TE following a lack of depth at that spot due in part from some injuries. Still, I think he is more of a TE now. That is where our need is greater and he was pretty good blocking last year.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 6:23:52 PM

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 6:50:21 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

Right, Michigan's blocking TE from last season offers himself to Ohio and Ohio should have held out for some pie in the sky difference maker? Easy to say any team needs difference makers at any position. Blocking TEs improve first down, leading to easier second & third down. More muscle in the red zone is always a plus. Hell, more muscle is always a plus, period. No?

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 8:46:19 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

Unless he excels at blocking for Beau up the middle.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 9:17:28 PM

Pataskala wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Yeah because we've never taken chances? Not making the comparison, I know the young man and people who have coached him, he's a quality person and pick up. But don't even begin to think we don't take chances. On questionable character.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/24/2015 10:09:13 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

What's wrong with you.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 12:27:17 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

What's wrong with you.

Last Edited: 7/25/2015 6:45:36 AM by Bcat2

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C Money
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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 9:32:52 AM

Nothing wrong with a road-grader TE/H back. But I agree with Monroe that if you think of TEs/H backs as only road graders, you limit your options on offense.

There was a thread a couple months back on the single wing offense. LC asked why we couldn't do something similar with our offense. I hate to make the reference b/c I know the general reaction to the subject on BA, but go watch what Urban Meyer does with the H back position in osu's offense. It's much more of a RB/WR skillset than a blocking TE skillset, and it creates a lot of opportunities for offensive wrinkles similar to the single wing.

That being said, I'm sure Mr. Heitzman will be a fine addition to the team, although part of me wishes he was lining up on the defense instead.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 9:43:16 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We need TE receiver difference maker, not just the blocking.

I'd love a 6-6 Gronk-esque pass catching speedster capable of mistmatches down the field to open up the passing game.

That doesn't change the fact that I am also excited about our running game this year. Our offensive line is going to open up holes for our stable of backs and that will open up the passing game.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 10:10:53 AM

How many people remember last year, before the Marshall game, when Doc Holliday commented about Ohio's tight ends:

Doc Holliday wrote:

They do a great job, offensively, of tailoring what they�re doing to their personnel. They�re not as much three-tight-end stuff this year because they don�t have those physical tight ends they�ve had in the past, but they do a great job with the wideouts they have, getting the guys that can make plays, either running backs or the wideouts.

They�ve played a lot of wideouts, about nine. They�ve played three or four running backs, they�ve basically played only the one tight end, No. 82 [Troy Mangen], because of their numbers. They do a great job of not putting round pegs in square holes and trying to match their offense to what their personnel can do.

I translated that out of coach-speak to english and got:
"Ohio is somewhat limited in what they can offensively this year because they have a real weak spot at tight end, where they lack the big powerful tight ends they have had in the past, and because they don't have their usual numbers of tight ends. As a result they can't run their usual 2-3 tight end sets, and are forced to try to get variety by using a lot more wide receivers".

So, now we're complaining about adding a big, powerful tight end? Don't get me wrong, I love having an Andrew Mooney or Troy Hill around, but I'll take a Jordan Thompson any day. I want a TE that can block, and one that can catch the ball in traffic when it's needed. The ability to get extra yards after the catch is a bonus, not essential, at least as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 12:48:35 PM

Hey, I blocked ... occasionally :)

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 3:57:09 PM

Moondoggy wrote:

Hey, I blocked ... occasionally :)

Hehe, and David Carter caught passes.... occasionally. You guys made a good pair.

If anyone doubts that you blocked, the highlight film I posted earlier shows you catching TD after TD, but, while it's not always easy to read numbers because the film is so blurry, I believe it also caught you blocking a few times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr4hg_n6WkA
2:37
2:49
4:18
5:08
5:21
5.45

Last Edited: 7/25/2015 5:06:13 PM by L.C.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 10:18:57 PM

L.C. wrote:

How many people remember last year, before the Marshall game, when Doc Holliday commented about Ohio's tight ends:

Doc Holliday wrote:

No need to defend this young man. There are some on this board that if we got a running back that averaged 4.9 yards a carry they would complain we need a back that averages 5 Yards.

Welcome young man enjoy your time at Ohio and make us proud. Glad you are part of the University

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 10:47:09 PM

cc-cat wrote:

It's all in fun. No one seriously questions whether he blocked in addition to catching TD passes. He was a good one.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/25/2015 11:53:53 PM

Moondoggy was totally solid.

No one objects to a TE who can block it. But think how much better we are, how much things open up for running and passing..more and more, in a repeating cycle..if our TE is a pass catching threat.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/26/2015 11:11:23 AM

A great running game makes an effective passing game! And a true TE needs to be a blocker first in most offensive schemes.

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RE: Report on new ex-Michigan tight end

Posted: 7/28/2015 5:08:25 PM

Yes another Moondoggy and Jordan THompson would be nice!!

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