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colobobcat66
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Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 5:51:25 AM

I see in the featured article included today that Fleck will be making $800,000 a year at Western Michigan starting next year. That seems like a more substantial increase in any MAC coaches salary that I'm aware of. It seems that the game is changing even for the have nots. Can this arms race continue for the little guys. I tend to think not, but I may be wrong. This is certainly a big change in MAC salaries, so it will interesting to see how that affects other hires on the MAC as they come up.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 9:03:29 AM

WMU had an average attendance of 15,625 last year, and 5 home games, for a total of 78,125 fans at games. Fleck will be paid $10.24 per person that attends games. If 1/3 of the fans at games were students that got in free, Fleck will be paid over $15 per paid ticket sold. I don't know WMU's ticket prices, but they are probably in the $15-20 range average, so Fleck will essentially be getting close to 100% of the revenue from ticket sales.

As a comparison, let's look at Harbaugh, recently hired at Michigan for $5 million. Michigan had an average attendance of 104,909 last year and 7 home games, so 734,363 people were at games. Harbaugh will get $6.80 per person at games. If we guess that 10% of the people at games were students, and that the average ticket price is $50, Harbaugh will get about $7.50 per ticket sold, or 15% of the revenue from ticket sales.

Can coaches salaries continue to rise when average attendance is falling? Average football attendance in 2014 was the lowest since 2000.
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Last Edited: 12/31/2014 9:07:03 AM by L.C.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 10:31:23 AM

2013 1-11
2014 8-5

Compare.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 11:01:43 AM

From WMU's website (these will likely go up next year):

2014 Football Season Ticket Pricing

PUBLIC:

Gill Club: $500 ($500 Gary Fund Donation also required)
Chairbacks (Sections BB-FF): $195 ($500 Gary Fund Donation also required)
Sideline Premium (Section B-F): $135
Sideline Select (Sections A & G):$100
Endzone Public (Sections H-M, V-Z): $85

FACULTY/STAFF:

Chairbacks (Sections BB-FF): $1180 ($500 Gary Fund Donation also required)
Sideline Premium (Section B-F): $95
Sideline Select (Sections A & G): $95
Endzone (Sections H-M, V-Z): $85

WMU Faculty and Staff have a payroll deduction option. Contact the Bronco Ticket office for forms.

2014 Football Single Game Ticket Pricing

PUBLIC:

Sideline Premium (Section B-F): $30
Sideline Select (Sections A & G): $25
Endzone (Sections H-M, V-Z): $20 /$14 (adult/youth)
PNC Family Zone (Section X): $14 (limited number of tickets)
Group: $16 (10 or more)
3 for $54 (Enzone, Section A & G) - Choose any 3 game for $54

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 11:09:45 AM

I'm surprised Situation hasn't listed the last date for each MAC school that it beat another MAC school which ended the season with a winning record.

Stop thinking bottom of the MAC type performance is acceptable.

And stop it now.

Do not enter 2015 with such attitude.

Stop it. Stop it now.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 11:22:53 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 1:11:52 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

2013 1-11
2014 8-5

Compare.

OK, here is your comparison. WMU has an extremely strong tradition of winning at football. Out of the last 50 years, in 40 of them they have won 5 or more games, and only 6 times have they won 3 or less. The 1-11 record last year was the worst record ever in WMU history. The only other seasons close to that were 1975 and 2004, both 1-10 years.

Cubit, the coach that preceded him, averaged 6.4 wins/season and 4.5 MAC wins a season, and had a career winning percentage at WMU of .520. WMU has an all-time winning percentage of .550. Fleck has a career winning percentage of .360. He's well below Cubit in all those areas, and well below the WMU all-time average. Cubit had a season with 9 wins, so he's not matched that yet, either, but his 6-2 MAC record does match Cubit's best. His 8-5 record last year is a shade over the 7.2 wins that WMU has posted in an average year, but nothing unusual for them.

Conclusion: WMU fans are schizophrenic. Last year many wanted him fired. Now, after nearly matching Cubit's best record, they want to go to the other extreme, making him the highest paid in the MAC. If he has another good year next year, he'll be gone, but if he has a bad year, they will probably go back to wanting him fired.

Last Edited: 12/31/2014 1:16:34 PM by L.C.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 4:03:28 PM

L.C., that is life in the MAC!

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 7:54:51 PM

MAC schools are all going to have to get here soon to remain the least bit relevant, I believe the $800K range is already the average for CUSA.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 12/31/2014 8:19:36 PM

ts1227 wrote:

MAC schools are all going to have to get here soon to remain the least bit relevant, I believe the $800K range is already the average for CUSA.

I think that they can continue to get coaches for considerably less than $800,000, but if they do half way well, they are gone. The MAC is the lowest paying conference by far and they can't keep their coaches. When Texas A&M just hired a defensive coordinator for $1,700,000 or so, you have to wonder where it will end.

Last Edited: 1/1/2015 9:47:42 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 1:39:27 PM

This is 2015.

I know; that's a shock to most of you.

No one give's a rat's hind end about what a school did 40 or 20 years ago. It's about what the current coach has done. And done recently.

WMU's coach has been there two years. He went 1-11. That would make most fans uneasy, I'm sure. Then, 8-5 his second year. The fans must be quite happy and other schools will come looking--if not now (which is pretty certain) than for sure if this continues.

Maybe too many of you are too provincial. I don't know what it is that makes you so accepting of the mediocre that we are now. That doesn't happen in the real world.

Great--Solich and staff took us from the depths to MAC title games and bowls and bowl victories.

Unfortunately, the world didn't stop 31 games ago. Those 31 games happened. And we've pretty much stunk since then. We're in a horrible league's dreadful division and we can't beat a team in the conference which ends up with a winning record

You all can ridicule me all that I want. You all can be as one-note the other way as I am my way.

But, I'm not gonna passive let this garbage stand. We are lousy football. There's a reason we had about no representation on the All-MAC teams. 15-16 ove the last 31 actually happened.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 1:39:51 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

ts1227 wrote:

MAC schools are all going to have to get here soon to remain the least bit relevant, I believe the $800K range is already the average for CUSA.

Agreed! That's why I think Ohio will be at a crossroads when Coach Solich decides to hang it up. Does Ohio try to keep up with the upper tier football teams of the MAC and devote precious financial resources to do so or does it slowly de-emphasize the importance of football and devote those resources to other sports and facilities?

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 3:09:40 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

What makes most of us keep from jumping over the edge like you is perspective. We are able to look at the body of work, understand that stuff happens and are not ready to give up on this staff that has turned the Bobcats around, big time. If we continue to be mediocre like the last year and 1/2, then, lets think about options. I don't think we are garbage and I don't necessarily call this lousy football, others may chose to.

Happy New Year.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 6:40:43 PM

Happy New Year.

As I said, it's 2015...and only at a backwater would there not be SIGNIFICANT grumbling over 15-16 in the last 31 when that 31 was against seriously inferior competition.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 6:55:08 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Happy New Year.

As I said, it's 2015...and only at a backwater would there not be SIGNIFICANT grumbling over 15-16 in the last 31 when that 31 was against seriously inferior competition.

You make up for everyone else so they don't have to grumble

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 7:06:44 PM

My first New Year's resolution in to never read another Monroe post. Life goes by too quickly to continue waste my time.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/1/2015 8:05:29 PM

He is worth it.

Lot of dislike directed his way especially last year. Even among their own fan base up in WMU. I recall posters on their message board who didn't like his flashy style despite the obvious positve effect I was having on recruiting.

I'm sure the "fans" on that message board who slandered (or is it libel?) his name are happy to see him getting paid.

The fact that WMU is willing to pay up for this coach suggests they may not be calling it quits on the arm race. Similar commitment to our Saul Ball. I know a lot don't like it, but I see value here.

Last Edited: 1/1/2015 8:05:57 PM by The Optimist

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/2/2015 1:51:43 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Lot of dislike directed his way especially last year. Even among their own fan base up in WMU. I recall posters on their message board who didn't like his flashy style despite the obvious positve effect I was having on recruiting.

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RE: Fleck making $800,000

Posted: 1/2/2015 5:14:55 PM

800k will buya lot of invisible oars.

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