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Monroe Slavin
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Your bad

Posted: 11/29/2014 10:40:42 PM

Some here have compared Bill Snyder and K-State to Ohio and OUr coach.

No.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:24:46 AM

Does anyone honestly think Frank will deliver a single MAC title before he retires?

Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 11/30/2014 3:21:56 AM

From SI this week

On Jerry Kill building Minnesota up..Kill said, "(i)t's going to take six or seven years. It's just the way it is." (Is ten more or less than six or seven?)

From article on UMiss/MissState rivalry: Re Alabama beating MissState 'they execute at such a high level. If you make one or two mistakes it can cost you the game. (hmm..NIU)
After one potential hire characterized MissState as 'losing and boring,' their AD couldn't decide which was worse. "The losing you can't change overnight. But the boring you can--in a day--if you get the right guy."
MissState fans love how now coach Mullen battles for every recruit w/in six hours (vs. UMiss, Alabama, Auburn), even putting up PLAY WITH THE BEST billboards in Oxford.
"In today's America nothing beats sports as a marketing peg...eyes and minds will follow. we're going to see an increase in applications."

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 3:22:38 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 5:52:15 AM

Is it not a fact that it took Bill Snyder 14 years to win his first conference championship at K-State?

Is it not a fact that Bill Snyder had back to back losing seasons before he retired at age 65?

Is it not a fact that Bill Snyder's replacement head coach had back to back losing seasons in years 2 through 3 of his tenure?

Is it not a fact that Bill Snyder is now 72 years old, coaching a top 12 team?

Is it not a fact that Frank Solich is a two (2) time Coach of the Year of Bill Snyder's conference, while Bill Snyder coached in the very same conference?

Is it not a fact that Frank Solich has won a Big 12 conference championship?

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 6:15:56 AM by The Situation

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 9:23:48 AM

Is it not a fact Kansas State football went 69 years between conference championships?

Is it not a fact, that despite coaching 22 years at Kansas State, Bill Snyder has but two (2) conference championships?

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 9:26:57 AM by The Situation

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 9:30:35 AM

You're bad Monroe.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 9:58:03 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

From SI this week

On Jerry Kill building Minnesota up..Kill said, "(i)t's going to take six or seven years. It's just the way it is." (Is ten more or less than six or seven?)

Solich had Ohio "built up" faster than that. While he actually won the MAC East in year 2, he really didn't have the program "built up" until 2009, which was year 5. That doesn't mean there won't be rebuilding cycles after it is "built up", though.

Note that I think Kill is doing a fantastic job at Minnesota, but even so, how long will it take Minnesota to get to the B1G Championship game? How long to win a B1G Championship game? I think it's very, very unlikely that he will get to the Championship game 3 times in his first ten years, and I'm not convinced he will get there once, but he might.

tevis48 wrote:

Does anyone honestly think Frank will deliver a single MAC title before he retires?

OK, I'll play. Yes, I think so. The next few years will be his most talented teams yet. The recruiting classes of 2013 and 2014 are going to win a lot of games. There is always the luck of the game, so the most talented team doesn't always win the Championship (for example, I think Toledo is the best MAC team this year, but won't be in the MACC game). I do think that the odds are reasonably good that he can win one in one of the next three years, and I think he will retire in 2017.

Now it's my turn. Doe anyone honestly think that Ohio won't gravitate back to the bottom of the MAC over the next 10 years after Solich retires?

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 9:59:30 AM by L.C.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 10:16:59 AM

The Situation wrote:

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 10:17:33 AM

The Situation wrote:

+1 +1 = +2

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 12:07:27 PM

L.C. wrote:

Now it's my turn. Doe anyone honestly think that Ohio won't gravitate back to the bottom of the MAC over the next 10 years after Solich retires?

Schaus would make a great hire, like he normally does. It would take an exit of Schaus/McDavis as well for a return to a Knorr-type result.

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Posted: 11/30/2014 12:40:52 PM

Agree Paul.

Schaus would hire a great young coach who is also a good recruiter. We may also get a talent bump.

BUT; we might be losing our coach every 2-3 years to a Power 5 school.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 12:57:15 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

Agree Paul.

Schaus would hire a great young coach who is also a good recruiter. We may also get a talent bump.

BUT; we might be losing our coach every 2-3 years to a Power 5 school.

That's the catch. If he hires a good one, you lose him. That repeats until he hires a bad one, at which point you get to keep him.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:24:01 PM

The Big 12 is definitely equivalent to the MAC. The Big 12 definitely has about six teams each year that are among the worst in college football and it definitely only somewhat rarely has a team break into the top 25.

Baylor TCU Oklahoma Texas WVU Oke State Tex Tech Kansas IowaState.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:28:05 PM

What does a successor's losing record have to do with anything, other, perhaps, than proving that the prior coach was good?

Yes, at 72 Snyder is now coaching a top 12 team--what's the point...that we should settle for mediocrity? That's not logical.

Solich now coaches in the MAC. I'm not sure that his accomplishments at Nebraska affect our games now or are balm for anyone when we can't beat a MAC team with a winning overall record.

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Posted: 11/30/2014 1:41:15 PM

Monroe, do you really try that hard to miss the point of the parallel between Snyder and Solich, or does it come naturally to you? It has nothing to do with the relative ranking of the MAC and the BigDozenTen. It has to do with coaching pedigree, experience, past record and understanding that having a little patience in this rebuilding year will be pay dividends down the road. It also has to do with not picking some arbitrary timeframe and making all of your points based on that arbitrary timeframe. No, I'm not satisfied with the results on the field in the last two years. However, I'm smart enough to see improvement in this year's team as the year progressed. I'm smart enough to see that we have recruited well and that we have very good players in the pipeline. I'm smart enough to know that we were one of the youngest teams in FBS football this past year. I'm smart enough to know we instituted a brand new defensive scheme this year, which takes time to learn. Now, all of this doesn't mean I have a very high football IQ, because I don't, but I know enough to have optimism for the future and to know that OHIO has a very good football coach who is building a football program and culture in Athens that hasn't existed in the past.

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 1:46:31 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:42:13 PM

Seek asylum Monroe.

You're fighting a war you've already lost.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 1:43:47 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Monroe, do you really try that hard to miss the point of the parallel between Snyder and Solich, or does it come naturally to you? It has nothing to do with the relative ranking of the MAC and the BigDozenTen. It has to do with coaching pedigree, experience, past record and that having a little patience in this rebuilding year will be pay dividends down the road. It also has to do with not picking some arbitrary timeframe and making all of your points based on that arbitrary timeframe. No, I'm not satisfied with the results on the field in the last two years. However, I'm smart enough to see improvement in this year's team as the year progressed. I'm smart enough to see that we have recruited well and that we have very good players in the pipeline. I'm smart enough to know that we were one of the youngest teams in FBS football this past year. I'm smart enough to know we instituted a brand new defensive scheme this year, which takes time to learn. Now, all of this doesn't mean I have a very high football IQ, because I don't, but I know enough to have optimism for the future and to know that OHIO has a very good football coach who is building a football program and culture in Athens that hasn't existed in the past.

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 2:27:19 PM

It's about the record, the recent record being most relevant. Are we really going to rely on the coaches' records at other schools from a decade or more ago?

Between MAC and OOC sched, we have five really easy games a year. 9, 8, 10, 9, 7, 6 wins recently--really impressive. An avg of 7 a year and falling against our absolutely killer schedule. Whoopee.

Football ain't that complicated. How many games can it take to institute a new scheme.

Take a look at the number of seniors on our roster vs those of NIU, Toledo and WMU (the top teams in the league). Tell me how we stand on relative age in that regard.

Last Edited: 11/30/2014 2:32:37 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 3:01:18 PM

lol

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Posted: 11/30/2014 5:26:09 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Take a look at the number of seniors on our roster vs those of NIU, Toledo and WMU (the top teams in the league). Tell me how we stand on relative age in that regard.

NIU will lose 9 starters this year and 4 2d string players, plus their punter, placekicker, and long snapper. Another 6 starters and 3 backups are Juniors.

Toledo also loses 9 starters this year, plus 3 backups and their placekicker. Another 7 starters are Juniors and 6 backups.

Both schools should be weaker next year than this year. WMU is about the same age as Ohio, as is BG.

Put another way, starters that are Freshmen and Sophomores:
Ohio 9
WMU 7
NIU 7
Toledo 6

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 6:07:51 PM

L.C. wrote:

. . .
Both schools should be weaker next year than this year. WMU is about the same age as Ohio, as is BG. . . .

One of the announcers for the OHIO-Oxford Prep game said that Ohio was something like the third youngest team in FBS football. Any idea what metric he could have used to come up with that stat? Most number of freshmen starting and playing significant minutes? It sure sounded interesting -- and hopeful for the future -- but I'm not sure I understood how he might have come to that conclusion.

[I watched the first half of this game on my iPad at my daughter's house utilizing the WatchESPN app and the second half back at our hotel on ESPN on TV. I believe, though, that all the commentary was the same, though the iPad WatchESPN app kept buffering. Two days later at my daughter's I used the FoxSports app to watch Marshall and WKU and it didn't buffer once. Same Wifi, same iPad. Seems ESPN needs to get its act together better. WatchESPN via AppleTV at home is excellent, however.]

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Posted: 11/30/2014 6:18:47 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2014/JUNE14/DBJune16.html

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 6:29:08 PM

The only parallel I see between Solich and Snyder is their age. Snyder has accomplished so much more.

Situation, you might not like Monroe, but you're dead wrong on your almost apologetic view of the football program. I am tired of hearing people on this board lambast those of us that expect more than finishing 2nd in the MAC East.

After 10 years, we are not seeing forward momentum.
We are not winning the recruiting battle in our own pathetic conference.
We have a boring program, which is probably part of the recruiting problem.
Wv have a boring schedule, which turns the casual fan off.
We have a bad stadium, no video board and weak gameday operations.
We do not have any possible corporate money in the region to provide your fairy tale infusion of cash.
Until the team starts winning more and gaining national attention, the program is stuck in neutral in all areas.

I am well aware that Solich has turned the program around, but I also am of the opinion that we have seen a plateau. I would like to see only one change, a more dynamic Offensive Coordinator. Solich has been too loyal and it has been a glaring problem. If he is not able to make tough decisions on personnel, then that is not the definition of a great leader.

Monroe does what few on this board do. He opens up his checkbook and supports the university, as well as the athletic department, at a very high level. There is nothing wrong with having a high expectation of success. The truly successful people in this world are always looking for a way to get better. I grow weary of the constant justification of mediocrity, as well as the sales job put on us about how things will be "really good next year".

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RE: Your bad

Posted: 11/30/2014 6:30:32 PM

We'll see. Every year it's something...injuries, youth, locker-room problems, rebuilding, improving, fan attendance, the angle of the sun. When's it gonna be a MACC.

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Posted: 11/30/2014 6:30:59 PM

Thanks, Situation. That chart says 8th youngest (least experienced), which is still pretty wet behind the years. That's 8th out of 128. I probably just remember wrong when I said "third." I didn't write it down at the time. Still I was in the ballpark and the conclusion is that we are very young, and improving team. Notre Dame was one above us, and it's interesting to note how they faded at the end of the year, while we got stronger -- not talking wins here but how we played and how competitive we were.

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