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Topic: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

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Pataskala
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Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/27/2014 9:44:40 AM

Now that we've feasted on Redhawk, it's time for turkey. Have fun and be safe.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/27/2014 10:45:10 AM

Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

And, for the historically inclined here is Abraham Lincoln's 1863 proclamation that set the last Thursday in November (later modified by FDR) as national Thanksgiving day. Prior to that each state could set its own date for Thanksgiving. This proclamation was signed by Abe, and issued by Secretary of State William Seward. Here it is:

Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/27/2014 3:02:54 PM

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/27/2014 4:34:57 PM

Thanks OCF, some inspiring words. Happy Thanksgiving to all!

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/27/2014 6:08:43 PM

Many dittos - on this my first Thanksgiving in 44 years without my beloved fellow Bobcat...

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:35:51 PM

So...

He did this by executive order?

/ducks

OhioCatFan
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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:34:46 PM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

So...

He did this by executive order?

/ducks

Please come back up out of your foxhole and read Lincoln's wording very carefully. Lincoln knew the limits of his powers as president and was a great wordsmith. He did not exceed his presidential powers here. I'm going to assume that you will be able to figure out why this proclamation was completely legal.

There was a different rationale, of course, for the Emancipation Proclamation, which was done under AL's powers as commander-in-chief during wartime; though, there was actually one small part of it that might have been technically unconstitutional. I challenge any BAer to tell me what that unconstitutional aspect is. It's very subtle and has nothing to do with the affect of the proclamation in 99.9 percent of the U.S.

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:54:59 PM

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/29/2014 3:50:45 PM

Mike--We cannot make up for your One Special Bobcat, but we are glad to bring you what support we can!

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/30/2014 10:52:31 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Mike--We cannot make up for your One Special Bobcat, but we are glad to bring you what support we can!

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 11/30/2014 11:38:18 PM

Since no one has picked up the gauntlet on my Emancipation Proclamation question, here's a hint: the possibly unconstitutional aspect of the EP had to do with a section of South Carolina from Hilton Head to Beaufort, including Port Royal Island and Sound. I'll have to admit that I'm giving you a question that nearly stumped two history professors when I first posed it to them. However, once they researched it they agreed with my assessment. These two professors teach Civil War history. So, I've given you a very difficult question, but I know you BAers are up to it. Here's another hint: look at the areas that Lincoln exempted from the EP in the states in rebellion and then figure out why this portion of South Carolina was not exempted. It fit all the requirements for exemption, but you'll look in vain to find it listed. I've almost given away the ship here, you only have a few more dots to connect. Connect away . . .

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 12/1/2014 9:09:53 AM

Well didn't he first read the proclamation to slaves in Beaufort?

I also seem to recall that an African American/Black regime was created amongst the freed men in the region as well.

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 12/1/2014 11:17:26 AM

OUcats82 wrote:

Well didn't he first read the proclamation to slaves in Beaufort?

I also seem to recall that an African American/Black regime was created amongst the freed men in the region as well.

Well, you are getting kind of close, so I'll just end the suspense. The EP freed all slaves in areas in the rebelling states that were not under Federal control. This was constitutional under his commander-in-chief powers during war. There was a long list of exempted areas in southern states that were exempted because they were under Union control. Also, of course, the border slave states of Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware and Missouri were exempted because they were not rebelling (western Virginia had not yet become a new state, but was in the process of agreeing to "gradual emancipation"). However, the corridor between Hilton Head and Beaufort had been in Union control since November of 1861, as a result of the largest amphibious operation until Normandy in WWII. Thus, since the area was under Union control, it should have been listed in the exemption list; however, it was not. Therefore, the slaves in that area were freed by the EP, but not of military necessity. It can be argued that this was unconstitutional, because Lincoln clearly did not exempt that area because, as you mention, the slaves in that area had been acting as freedmen since November 1861. AL was simply acknowledging what had already taken place in a de facto manner. Of course, the passage of the 13th Amendment made all of these issues moot.

As a side note, if you are ever in Beaufort, I highly recommend taking the Gullah tour. On that tour, among other things, you will see the Penn School, where slaves were taught to read, write and cipher beginning in late 1861. When the Union occupied Beaufort all of the whites (save one drunk, according to legend) fled. They call it the "great skedaddle." This left only Union troops and black folks there (not mutually exclusive categories). On Hilton Head Island you can see the remnants of four old Civil War forts. I've seen two so far: Fort Mitchel, which guards the northern end of the island (there's a nice restaurant there now, but the grounds of the fort are well preserved), and Ft. Howell that was built by a United States Colored Infantry regiment to protect Mitchelville, which was an African American community. This fort has a historical marker, but is somewhat overgrown, but you can still walk on the embankments and get a good sense of the size of the fort and its construction.

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RE: Happy Thanksgiving to Bobcats everywhere

Posted: 12/1/2014 11:20:48 AM

My wife and I stopped off in the area last spring while visiting the Low Country after a wedding in Charleston. The Penn School was a neat visit and very informative. Unfortunately it seems as though they get too few visitors.

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