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bornacatfan
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NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 11:48:06 AM

started ugly for WMU but quickly the football Gods are swinging Mo in the WMU direction.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 12:02:11 PM

So if Western wins does Toledo (id they beat Eastern) win the MAC west and play BG?

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 12:46:41 PM

If I understand correctly here's what has to happen for each team to win the West-

NIU- beat WMU and they are in.
WMU- beat NIU and Toledo loses to EMU and they are in.
Toledo- beat EMU and NIU loses to WMU and they are in.

For all of the complaining about our team this season its hard to believe that if Ohio had beat BGSU on homecoming we would be going to Detroit. And BG didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. 500 yds of offense and just 1 TD, 153yds of penalties, that was all on us.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 1:03:43 PM

wmu running clock. Got to play to win not play not to lose

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 1:53:26 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

We also ran 110 plays. That turnover on our first play from scrimmage allowed BG to get up 14-0 early and we never recovered.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:10:56 PM

Wow. What a comeback by NIU. This may not be as talented an NIU team as we've seen in the past but man do they know how to win games.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:14:26 PM

7th turnover of the game for WMU. NIU to Detroit.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:24:04 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

WOW. Just wow.

We lost 31-13 dude. We beat ourselves? I guess we didn't just beat ourselves...we kicked the crap out of ourselves.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:26:42 PM

Agreed Ted NIU has established that never quit Gonna win this somehow attitude. You can see it in their locker rooms, in the practice facility and the mental makeup of the football players

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 2:27:59 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Agreed Ted NIU has established that never quit Gonna win this somehow attitude. You can see it in their locker rooms, in the practice facility and the mental makeup of the football players

Compared to....?

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 3:01:22 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

WOW. Just wow.

We lost 31-13 dude. We beat ourselves? I guess we didn't just beat ourselves...we kicked the crap out of ourselves.

Actually, after the first 1:07, Ohio totally dominated the game in all ways but one. That one, however, is the key one, the ability to put the ball into the endzone. After the horrid start, where BG was up 14-0 in 67 seconds, BG could do very little offensively and most drives ended in a 3 and out. They had only three times in the entire rest of the game where they moved the ball more than 25 yards in a drive, however those three times resulted in 2 TDs and a FG.

Meanwhile, Ohio had drive after drive, numerous of which resulted in no points. In the end, over the last 59 minutes, Ohio gained 499 yards, while BG gained 243, but even over the last 59 minutes BG won 17-13 because Ohio just couldn't get into the endzone. You can't come from behind if you don't get into the endzone.

If you look only at the scoreboard, BG dominated. If you look at the actual game itself, it tells another story. In my mind, that game was the turning point, especially for the defense. The only team after that that really burned the defense was WMU. Other than WMU, the defense was impressive the rest of the way. The yards gained against BG was really the best offensive show up to that point, but the offense needed to finish drives, and most importantly, the team needed to learn that they could come from behind and win.

No, Ohio didn't "nearly win", but they certainly played some of the aspects of the game well enough to win, and they made some major improvements in other areas.

As I said above, to me that game marks the turning point. Ohio did a lot more things right against BG than they did against CMU, Marshall, or Kentucky.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 3:28:45 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

WOW. Just wow.

We lost 31-13 dude. We beat ourselves? I guess we didn't just beat ourselves...we kicked the crap out of ourselves.

Well, thing about young teams like Ohio or WMU, when they run into the BGUs or NIUs they get lessons the coaches can't teach. We hope Ohio's young players are quick studies. Bowling Green was many games ago. The Bobcats have played the last three games as if they are learning their lessons. I believe so. I have no time to worry about the BG loss at this point.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:15:26 PM

That's a championship outfit

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 4:55:31 PM

Uh, we all know deep down in sports you prove it on the field or court. In FB, NIU is a PROVEN winner and they know what it takes to get IT done. Whatever IT is, NIU has IT. Nobody else in the MAC has had IT like them the last few years! I sure wish we could steal some of whatever IT is from them! Maybe next year? Been saying that long enough...

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 5:14:25 PM

with BG's loss to Ball St today a win over BG or NIU would have gotten us to Detroit. That says more about how down the MAC East is this year than how good Ohio is.

In the last 5 seasons during conference play NIU is 3-2 vs CMU and 35-0 vs 13 different MAC teams. But, during that same time frame NIU is only 2-2 and both wins were down to the wire, a last second field goal to complete a 20-0 halftime deficit and another come from behind and eventual win in 2OT.

As challenged as the Bobcats have been at times this year I know for some this ill sound crazy but I would have liked our chances against NIU in Detroit and am bummed we came close but couldn't make it happen.

This 6 loss Ohio team is very different from last year's 6 loss Ohio team.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/28/2014 6:10:42 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

with BG's loss to Ball St today a win over BG or NIU would have gotten us to Detroit.

Would've needed a win over BG. A win over NIU alone would've tied us with BG and they would've had the head-to-head tiebreaker.

I expect next year to be quite a bit better. Depending on the MAC schedule we should have at least six MAC wins. Only Ohio, BG and UMass should be worth anything in the East, and I think we'll be able to beat any East team we face. We've had CMU two years in a row, so they shouldn't be on next year's schedule. Probably WMU at home, NIU there and maybe one other. The OOC has a road game vs a down Idaho team, a rebuilding T'erd at home, a usually very good 1AA SELA at home and Minn on the road. We could be 3-1 or 4-0 in Sept, so 9 or 10 wins isn't out of the question.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 11:41:07 AM

Pataskala wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

with BG's loss to Ball St today a win over BG or NIU would have gotten us to Detroit.

you're right. my bad, don't know what I was thinking. I blame the turkey.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 12:29:24 PM

L.C. -- Disagree vehemently. BG kicked our tails early and the rest was just marching through until the clock ran out. Sad but true, there is only one set of numbers that matter. The rest is just looking for hope. Hope, apparently, can't beat a MAC team with a winning record.

Seems to me that WMU, NIU, CMU, Toledo and BG are better than us. Oh, doesn't BG get their qb (Johnson, right?) back next year--he is very, very good. Then, 'kron, UMass and redhawk (lose their qb but they played us spiritedly the other day) seem to be rising. That's five we'll have to climb over plus a possible three in the mix with us. MAC title next year--very unlikely.

We'll probably do better next year than this year, but no MAC title. We'll have the same pitched battle: those who are sure that we're on the right track and my side that's going to keep counting the years.

edit: geez, I forgot about Ball State...another which is probably better than us. Just don't see how you all think that we'll be a top MAC team next year.

Last Edited: 11/29/2014 12:40:54 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 1:14:47 PM

Monroe, as I posted in another thread, most of the teams you mentioned will graduate a lot of players. There are three schools in the MAC that were playing a lot of Freshmen and Sophomores this year, those being BG, Ohio, and WMU. Those are the rising teams that will be strong for the next several years.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 1:36:39 PM

L.C. wrote:

Can't argue against the facts of graduation losses, L.C., but NIU and CMU seem to keep playing at a decent level year after year. BSU and Toledo, also.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 5:38:05 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Can't argue against the facts of graduation losses, L.C., but NIU and CMU seem to keep playing at a decent level year after year. BSU and Toledo, also.

With regards to CMU, say what? This was the best year that CMU has had since 2009. Just as this was a low point in Ohio's rebuilding cycle, this was a high point in CMU's cycle, as they had 19 returning starters. With 12 starters graduating this year, I personally expect them to be back under .500 in league play next year. I suspect Enos' seat is pretty warm.

In any case, as I said elsewhere, I think a 6 year window is about right to evaluate programs because that exceeds the years of any one class, and it thus includes a cycle of rebuilding. The records of the various MAC teams over the last 6 years for MAC-only games is:

NIU 43-5 .896
Toledo 35-13 .729
Ohio 31-17 .646
BG 28-20 .583
CMU 26-22 .542 (but since 2009, they are 18-22)
Ball St 26-22 .542
Kent 24-23 .511
WMU 23-25 .479
Buffalo 18-29 .383
Miami 16-32 .333
Akron 10-38 .208
EMU 9-39 .188

As far as consistency, "year after year", only NIU has >.500 records every year. Only NIU and Ohio have no losing records. Toledo has one losing season (2009). BG has two losing seasons (2010, 2011). WMU, CMU and Ball State each have 2 losing seasons and a .500 season along with 3 winning seasons.

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RE: NIU WMU

Posted: 11/29/2014 10:33:22 PM

Don't want to get into extended debate but 6 year window may work in some respects but I'm not sure how relevant it its to 'what's aboard for next year' and there prob oughta be some leavening for the recent weakness overall of the East in those stats.

Won't be convinced re next year until I see it. Had hopes up too high too often lately.

There were predictions of undefeated on part of Ohio a year or two ago...stuff happens on the field.

Last Edited: 11/29/2014 10:33:58 PM by Monroe Slavin

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