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Topic: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Topic: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

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Deciduous Forest Cat
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The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 3:26:52 PM

... So, it's 3rd and 7 from the 27, protection gets totally blown up so that TT is scrambling backwards all the way to the 4... The call is going to be intentional grounding and that's where we're punting from... I'm almost inclined to say the two points and getting to kick from the 20 is a better scenario. We punt from the back of the endzone and the Bulls are quite likely starting in Ohio territory already. Can I say for sure that scenario turns out worse? Of course not. In the end I don't think it mattered. ... the safety happens, they march on us and over us on the ensuing drive and their running game totally controls things from that point on.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 3:36:24 PM

I mentioned this in the game thread, but people sometimes forget where the play started from. TT should have never backpeddled that far and Ohio should have never been in the situation to begin with. Was it an absolutely terrible call? Yes. One of the worst I have seen. Could it have been avoided? Yes, and not just on the part of the referee.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 3:58:09 PM

It's still a one possession game at that point and we actually punted from better field position than we would have if it had been called correctly. They then just stuffed it down our throats on successive possessions. The call took the spotlight off how much they punched us in the mouth.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 4:15:45 PM

There also was a call in the first half of that game where Ohio made a play for a big first down into scoring range but it was ruled incomplete. The call was reviewed and upheld. The MAC released a statement on both plays, noting replay should have overturned the call and given Ohio the catch. Because of the later call, most forget about that one, which might have been the more important one in the game.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 4:55:40 PM

yeah, I remember that one too... that was our best drive and it stalled due to that awful call.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/5/2014 6:01:19 PM

It's certainly true that both calls had a dramatic effect on momentum, so it's hard to guess what might have happened if the calls were called correctly.

I have to wonder it the lead on ESPN tonight will be "A year ago, one of the worst calls ever...."

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/6/2014 1:53:33 AM

On the first drive, I think, there was a bogus offensive PI on Matt Waters as well.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/6/2014 7:26:21 AM

Are you trying to tell me to let it go?

Because I'm not letting it go.

That call had little to no influence on the final outcome of the game, or the season. I will readily and freely admit to this. Although it is certainly the point where things went from a daily struggle to an all out train wreck.

That call has everything to do with the dregs of officiating that the league office has foisted upon us for decades. And I will tilt at that windmill until my dying breath.

*Last night's ref gets a nod from me for being man enough to admit they mucked up and called a player down that didn't have the ball. He gives it back though for failing to throw a single holding flag on Buffalo's left tackle (If he had, however, Licata may have sustained permanent psychological scarring).

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/6/2014 7:47:09 AM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

...*Last night's ref gets a nod from me for being man enough to admit they mucked up and called a player down that didn't have the ball. He gives it back though for failing to throw a single holding flag on Buffalo's left tackle (If he had, however, Licata may have sustained permanent psychological scarring).

I agree that this was odd. I saw more than one play where there was a flagrant hold, and no call. They didn't call any holds the other way, either, and while I didn't notice any, there probably were some.

There was one play when I though Licata was guilty of intentional grounding from about the 20, and I thought sure it was a safety, but they apparently decided there was a receiver in the area.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/6/2014 9:10:06 AM

I think the effect of being McCabed was more mental. It just seemed like things snowballed after that and the team never really recovered from it.

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RE: The safety that wasn't.... but did it matter? no, not really

Posted: 11/6/2014 9:37:07 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

It was actually ruled a fumble, not an incomplete pass. The defender rolled over Waters leg while it was on the ground. While not as bad a call as the safety, it had more of an impact on the game.

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With the game tied at 0-0 at the beginning of the second quarter and Ohio driving in Buffalo territory, receiver Matt Waters went down at the end of a 3-yard catch, and the ball popped out. On TV it was clear that Waters knee hit the ground before the ball popped out, but the officials ruled the play a fumble, and after review upheld the call.

"This play should have been ruled down and the fumble overturned with Ohio maintaining possession," Carollo said in the statement.

A little more than two-minutes later, on the drive ensuing from that "turnover" Buffalo scored the first points of the second half. The 'Cats tacked on a field goal before halftime to send it to the break with the Bulls leading 7-3, but the refs weren't done.

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2013/11/6/5074592/...

Last Edited: 11/6/2014 9:37:36 AM by Eagle66

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