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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/25/2014 10:14:30 AM 
Since we keep hearing about how the recent football history has been totally abysmal, and offers no bright spots, I thought I'd look back at Ohio history, and see how this period compares to other times, and I decided to back to Wise, the coach that followed Don Peden.

I didn't include Peden since obviously no one has matched Peden's time, but I thought I'd look at all the successors, and divide the history into various time periods. For most coaches there wasn't a compelling reason for dividing their time into separate groups, so I just used the entirety of their time at Ohio. For Hess, I split him into three periods, 1956-64, 1965-71, and 1972-77, and these three time periods were quite clearly different. For Solich, I split him into three periods as well. The first was the building years, 2005-2008. Next came the high point, 2009-mid 2012, until the injuries took their toll.

Now, Monroe chooses to split 2012 at the Miami game, but I think a more accurate place to split is before the U.Mass game. As people will recall, after the injuries took their toll, Ohio struggled mightily to beat three very, very bad teams in a row, U.Mass, Buffalo, and Akron. That was not the same team that beat Penn State and Marshall.

OK, with history split, how does it look:

Hess 1958-64 46-20-2 .691
Solich 2009-mid 2012 31-14 .689
Widdoes 42-36-5 .536
Solich mid-2012 to present 16-14 .533
Hess 1965-1971 35-34-1 .507
Grobe 33-33-1 .500
Burke 31-34-1 .477
Solich 2005-2008 23-26 .469
Hess 1972-77 27-37-1 .423
Wise 6-11-1 .361
Kappes 3-8 .273
Knorr 11-35 .239
Bryant 9-44-2 .182
Lichtenberg 8-45-2 .164

I just thought I'd stick the facts out there. Others can draw whatever conclusions from them that they feel are appropriate, if any.

Last Edited: 10/25/2014 10:17:53 AM by L.C.

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Bobcat Grad 86
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  Message Not Read  RE: 68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/25/2014 10:37:51 AM 
We could establish .239 at the "Knorr Line", which would be our version of the
"Mendoza Line". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line

With that said, I only witnessed two games during the Lichtenberg era, one at home and one at UVA. Although my firsthand knowledge of his teams was limited, I respected the late Coach Lichtenberg who inherited a very weak program and I believe tried his best and represented the University in a first class manner on and off the field.

When you look at the history, I still feel that Jim Grobe breathed enough life into the program to make it possible make some improvements to the facilities and position the program to be in a position to hire Frank Solich, despite the setbacks during the Knorr tenure.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/25/2014 11:28:47 PM 
Other than Widdoes and Wise I have seen it all. All good guys. But, let's face it OHIO is NOT historically a consistent football power and given our last 2 or so years we will NOT be as good as FS & Co had us a couple of years ago. Even they could not keep it going. I can't believe FS will stick around for a couple more years like the last two. He is smart enough to know when to hang it up, I hope.

Last Edited: 10/25/2014 11:29:23 PM by Casper71
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  Message Not Read  RE: 68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/25/2014 11:46:22 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Other than Widdoes and Wise I have seen it all. All good guys. But, let's face it OHIO is NOT historically a consistent football power and given our last 2 or so years we will NOT be as good as FS & Co had us a couple of years ago. Even they could not keep it going. I can't believe FS will stick around for a couple more years like the last two. He is smart enough to know when to hang it up, I hope.


Frank won't be hanging it up any time soon as long as he stays healthy. He has a lot of good players in the pipeline and all of you curbside experts will just have to wait and see what happens.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/26/2014 1:33:18 PM 
I can see what will happen more of the last 30 games or so. I don't like it one bit. I think since the TT fiasco this staff and team have been on a downward spiral and i simply do not think this staff can get it together again. You are right though, time will tell. Hope you are right but I doubt it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 68 Years of Ohio Football History
   Posted: 10/26/2014 6:21:16 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Other than Widdoes and Wise I have seen it all. All good guys. But, let's face it OHIO is NOT historically a consistent football power and given our last 2 or so years we will NOT be as good as FS & Co had us a couple of years ago. Even they could not keep it going. I can't believe FS will stick around for a couple more years like the last two. He is smart enough to know when to hang it up, I hope.

I agree with you; I think that if FS thinks that the next two years will be like the last two, I think he'll retire. You can tell that he doesn't like to lose one at all. The good news is that I don't think that the next two years will be like the last two. After the season, based on what Frank does, I think we'll know what he thinks that the next two years will bring.

Casper71 wrote:
I can see what will happen more of the last 30 games or so. I don't like it one bit. I think since the TT fiasco this staff and team have been on a downward spiral and i simply do not think this staff can get it together again. You are right though, time will tell. Hope you are right but I doubt it.

I think TT unfairly got blamed for the problems that split the team last year. I don't think he was the source of the trouble. I do think that the problems are gone, and that really the only problem now is youth, and a need for improvement.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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