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Topic: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

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Ted Thompson
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Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 1:34:39 PM

Thought we could lighten things up a bit.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 2:10:03 PM

Another Project for LC:

So Frankie was 158 pounds during his playing days. Factoring in the larger size of players today, I wonder if the conversion would have him above or below Daz's weight of 177? I know this would be of particular interest to Monroe!

Last Edited: 10/14/2014 2:33:49 PM by Bobcat Grad 86

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 2:54:18 PM

Personally I think Solich was lighter than 158. It was said in those days that he was effective running between the tackles because he was so small the defensive players couldn't see him around the offensive linemen.

As an interesting note, that first play looks for all the world like the triple option, but this is about 3 years before the wishbone was "invented". You have the QB rolling wide, with a HB behind him as a pitch man, forcing the defense to bring two guys to the outside to stop the play, and Solich (FB) took the handoff inside them.

Last Edited: 10/14/2014 3:03:20 PM by L.C.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 3:35:29 PM

Option football was around long before the wishbone, however that play appears to be a simple old school, double down, kick out power off tackle with an option fake. Very common and staple play out of the old T Formation. Old School 36 Power

Last Edited: 10/14/2014 3:38:17 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 4:09:41 PM

Thanks, Billy. That plays is from before my time, but what you say makes sense. I gather that the option part was a pitch or keep, but it wasn't a triple option in the sense that the handoff was a called play, and didn't depend on the QB reading the defense, and the option in this case was just a fake.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 4:32:25 PM

That play was 6 as soon as the LB shifts inside the tackle, and the outside LB (or maybe a safety) comes up hard to cover the pitch man. It's hard to say just from the video if this was a true option or just a power run with option fake, because there was no need to make any read on it. The read, if any, is done before the snap when that inside LB shifts.

But watch the offensive end. He blocks down on the tackle instead of trying to seal the lane against the inside LB. If they're leaving the LB unblocked, it may have been an option after all...or they're really selling the option fake.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 5:08:29 PM

That seems to be the basic T-Formation that Woody Hayes ran a lot. Of course in his later years he ran more I-Formation. If you watch the film of the 1969 Rose Bowl you would see that both USC and Ohio State both had the tailback back up right behind the fullback. By the time Archie Griffin arrived, Hayes had him deeper in the backfield so he could read the blocks better. Most of the schools seemed to mirror the depth of the backs in the 60's and the transition into the 70's.

I assume that most of the old timers know that Bill Hess was an assistant under Hayes. I never saw Ohio play under Hess so I am not sure how much influence Hayes had with his offense at Ohio.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 5:12:51 PM

would love to see that first play spliced with the vid of AJ OU' breaking that 65yd TD a few weeks ago. #45 and #45 with nearly identical runs.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 5:19:49 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

would love to see that first play spliced with the vid of AJ OU' breaking that 65yd TD a few weeks ago. #45 and #45 with nearly identical runs.

+1 Now wait for the X & O guys who will explain how they are not so identical.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 5:53:18 PM

BG86, Hess' offense for many years was very much like that of Woody's. However, that changed dramatically once he recruited Snyder (out from under the nose of Hayes) and Cleve Bryant. I'll bet with these two stars we passed more in one game then Woody did in a season, or close to it. I remember when we tied Minnesota in the fall of 1969, Murray Warmath, the HC at U of M, was literally flabbergasted at our passing offense. He said something like Todd reminded him of an octopus because he seemed to have so many arms and hands with which to catch every ball thrown his way. Todd was names AP Lineman of the Week after that performance. His position, at that time, was "split end."

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 6:45:29 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

36 Right or Left also was a staple of the single wing. In fact, it was designed to be a long gainer.

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 7:05:38 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

36 Right or Left also was a staple of the single wing. In fact, it was designed to be a long gainer.

You are really going back there Mike! Single Wing could be fun to watch! Coach Pifer (sp) at Denison was one of the last to utilize the single wing as his staple offense, and man could they execute it!

And the last decent HS team I've seen run it was Zanesville with Buster Howe in the 80's

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 8:55:03 PM

My Dad enjoyed going to the Denison games when Keith Piper ran the single wing. He became the head coach in 1954 and started using the single wing in 1962 and quit using it in the late 60's. After a winless season in the mid 1970's he brought it back and ran that until he retired in the 1990's. He stated in a Sports Illustrated article he used it to counter other teams in recruiting and to have something unique for other teams to prepare for. Different offense, but same rationale Grobe had with the triple option.

As for Woody, he always said "Three Things can happen when you pass and two are bad". Ironically it was a failed pass attempt that played a part in his firing. I guess the revised quote should have been, "Four things can happen when you pass and three are bad".

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RE: Solich runs over Air Force in 1965

Posted: 10/14/2014 11:10:41 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

36 Right or Left also was a staple of the single wing. In fact, it was designed to be a long gainer.

My high school ran the single wing - with a bit of wing-T mixed in - till 1990. During the 41-year span that three coaches ran that offense, the school won more than 75% of its games. I played left guard and absolutely loved the blocking schemes. In my senior season our average TD play was 30+ yards.

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