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Is it wise to reject a good idea merely on the basis that the person who suggests it does not appear to be 'qualified.' You know where I'm going with this. There's a solid contingent here which refuses to even conceive it's possible that this board could have insights which could help the program. Is that really a wise or helpful approach? [I get that the fallback position will be to deny that the suggestions are 'good ideas.'] Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/14/2014 8:17:29 PM  Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,389 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/14/2014 8:26:01 PM  The Situation wrote: Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. That was funny! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/14/2014 9:15:58 PM  I can see why we both are where we are, Manny. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/14/2014 10:54:52 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: You know where I'm going with this. Yes - we do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_nowhere RS Bobcat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,742 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/14/2014 11:38:50 PM  If we lose on Saturday, you can expect a lot of "told you sos" from certain quarters. We might show additional progress and the young guys might play better, but if we lose you will hear how our offense isn't imaginative enough, how our coaching staff doesn't have a clue, how our recruits are really disguised DII rejects, how it's bad to have a well-developed walkon program, etc., etc., etc. You all know the drill. If we win, it'll be said that Akron is actually nothing more than a perennial MAC cellar dweller and the win is essentially meaningless. If we make a bowl this year, it'll be an everyone-wins-a-trophy-meaningless-consolation-putrid-who-gives-a-damn bowl. In another words, with these folks at this point in time there's actually no way we can win. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 8:18:00 AM  I really, really enjoy reading the arguments over which uninformed idea to improve our program is better. Really, I do. I'm sure that some of them are even worth pursuing to some degree or another. I just don't know which. What I don't get is how, right now in the middle of the season, when the leaves are changing around Peden, and the 110 is inspiring throngs of the faithful, you can't simply enjoy the spectacle that is college football. Maybe we'll win and maybe we'll lose but we've won before and we've lost before, too. We lost a lot, in fact, and the Hocking did not flow backwards nor did the sky fall on Athens County. So, as to the original question - meh. Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,439 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 8:46:57 AM  Bobcatbob wrote: I really, really enjoy reading the arguments over which uninformed idea to improve our program is better. Really, I do. I'm sure that some of them are even worth pursuing to some degree or another. I just don't know which. What I don't get is how, right now in the middle of the season, when the leaves are changing around Peden, and the 110 is inspiring throngs of the faithful, you can't simply enjoy the spectacle that is college football. Maybe we'll win and maybe we'll lose but we've won before and we've lost before, too. We lost a lot, in fact, and the Hocking did not flow backwards nor did the sky fall on Athens County. So, as to the original question - meh. +1 What he said. "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 9:16:28 AM  Bobcatbob wrote: We lost a lot, in fact, and the Hocking did not flow backwards nor did the sky fall on Athens County. Well, there was that one time.... http://www.ohio.edu/ohiotoday/sum98/jpegs/stadium.jpg Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 9:52:41 AM  Bobcatbob wrote: I really, really enjoy reading the arguments over which uninformed idea to improve our program is better. Really, I do. I'm sure that some of them are even worth pursuing to some degree or another. I just don't know which. What I don't get is how, right now in the middle of the season, when the leaves are changing around Peden, and the 110 is inspiring throngs of the faithful, you can't simply enjoy the spectacle that is college football. Maybe we'll win and maybe we'll lose but we've won before and we've lost before, too. We lost a lot, in fact, and the Hocking did not flow backwards nor did the sky fall on Athens County. So, as to the original question - meh. POY "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 10:36:07 AM  The Situation wrote: Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. Actually, given the way this program has collapsed, Monroe is looking like a genius. Monroe, wanta manage my 401k? Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 1:58:41 PM  Paul Graham wrote: The Situation wrote: Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. Actually, given the way this program has collapsed, Monroe is looking like a genius. Monroe, wanta manage my 401k? Given the way Monroe chases his tail, Monroe is looking like he'll never catch it. Monroe, wanta a biscuit? Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 2:24:19 PM  What end of season OHIO win total would signal collapse to you Paul? If OHIO ends the season with less than 4 wins has the program collapsed? How about less than 5? 6? 7? 8? Set your bar now, so your opinion can be judged fairly at the end of season. My thesis is that both you and Monroe never intended to have your opinions on this years team formally judged. You two find the chase of your own tails far too enjoyable. Afterall, neither you nor Monroe took a stab at predicting the record. http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa... And to complicate your opinion on Monroe, Mr. Slavin went on record to state in the the linked thread in August: Monroe Slavin wrote: Nobody has the Bobcats in the MACC game? I don't rule it OUt. So Paul let's not act like Monroe was predicting the 2008 financial crisis in 2006. Last Edited: 10/15/2014 2:33:23 PM by The Situation Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,742 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 2:34:16 PM  The Situation wrote: . . . And to complicate your opinion on Monroe, Mr. Slavin went on record to state in the the linked thread in August: Monroe Slavin wrote: Nobody has the Bobcats in the MACC game? I don't rule it OUt. . . . That was before he figured out that Frank was brain dead and that he could no longer coach his way out of a wet paper bag. ;-) Last Edited: 10/15/2014 2:36:27 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 3:07:20 PM  Bobcatbob wrote: I really, really enjoy reading the arguments over which uninformed idea to improve our program is better. Really, I do. I'm sure that some of them are even worth pursuing to some degree or another. I just don't know which. What I don't get is how, right now in the middle of the season, when the leaves are changing around Peden, and the 110 is inspiring throngs of the faithful, you can't simply enjoy the spectacle that is college football. Maybe we'll win and maybe we'll lose but we've won before and we've lost before, too. We lost a lot, in fact, and the Hocking did not flow backwards nor did the sky fall on Athens County. So, as to the original question - meh. +1 Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 3:08:35 PM  Paul Graham wrote: The Situation wrote: Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. Actually, given the way this program has collapsed, Monroe is looking like a genius. Monroe, wanta manage my 401k? Monroe is a CPA! I assume that stands for Certified Public Accountant? Back to Top Rufus25 General User Member Since: 2/10/2013 Location: Fishers, IN Post Count: 28 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 3:18:08 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Does it matter who suggests a good idea? Is it wise to reject a good idea merely on the basis that the person who suggests it does not appear to be 'qualified.' You know where I'm going with this. There's a solid contingent here which refuses to even conceive it's possible that this board could have insights which could help the program. Is that really a wise or helpful approach? [I get that the fallback position will be to deny that the suggestions are 'good ideas.'] I'm relatively new to BA....I can tell just by reading down the posts that there are some back stories between some of the people on here... I might be misunderstanding the premise of the question, but do you actually think that any of what is talked about here on BA has any relevance to a real life college football program??? I get it. I love to rant and rave on my teams as much as the next guy, but seriously, have any of you been through what these guys are going through? Do you guys have any knowledge of the grind of coaching college football? We as fans get about 10% of what it is really going on down there. You stats guys can pump all the numbers that they want, and I love that. But to think that there are credible 'insights' in these posts....don't kid yourself. I would put money down to bet that Frank and his staff have never once read a single post on here. And why would they? That said, GO Bobcats. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,742 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 3:31:12 PM  Bobcat Grad 86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: The Situation wrote: Just the thought of you remaining gainfully employed through the years inspires me. Actually, given the way this program has collapsed, Monroe is looking like a genius. Monroe, wanta manage my 401k? Monroe is a CPA! I assume that stands for Certified Public Accountant? Certified Pigskin Analyst . . . but I think his license is up for renewal. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 4:26:57 PM  Excellent, OCF! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,492 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 6:19:45 PM  Rufus25 wrote: ...We as fans get about 10% of what it is really going on down there. You stats guys can pump all the numbers that they want, and I love that. But to think that there are credible 'insights' in these posts....don't kid yourself. I would put money down to bet that Frank and his staff have never once read a single post on here. And why would they? If someone actually has a suggestion, I'm sure there is a way to get to to the appropriate person, but I agree with Rufus. I would not expect to find the coaches reading BA. players shouldn't read it, either, but I'm sure that some do. We know from my poll that there are a lot of different opinions here about what is wrong, and whether the problem is being fixed, or something else needs to be done. No amount of discussion is likely to change anyone's mind, so there doesn't seem to be any purpose served by the hostility that seems to be creeping into the discussion. Why don't we all just get along, and enjoy what's left of the season, as best we can. Who knows, maybe some good things will happen along the way? “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,164 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/15/2014 10:06:26 PM  Don't listen to us, rather.... What the OHIO Football coaches really need to do is have a conclave with Gross, JC and Saul to learn how to sell Athens to young super stars--there should be little reason not to have future All-MAC players that number 8-14 per season with all that is good going on in Bobcatville. Back to Top Rufus25 General User Member Since: 2/10/2013 Location: Fishers, IN Post Count: 28 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/16/2014 3:18:26 PM  MonroeClassmate wrote: Don't listen to us, rather.... What the OHIO Football coaches really need to do is have a conclave with Gross, JC and Saul to learn how to sell Athens to young super stars--there should be little reason not to have future All-MAC players that number 8-14 per season with all that is good going on in Bobcatville. Absolutely. The new indoor facility along with the academic center are a HUGE addition to the program and will help sway recruits (as well as parents) to become Bobcats. The ambiance at OHIO is second to none in the MAC. We are upgrading the campus and facilities (need a weight room upgrade next). The old 'if you build it, they will come'...if you will. We have athletes at the next level. Mike Mitchell should be a bell cow example for the heights that can be reached through the program. We do, however, need to find a way to get the MAC Title. Nothing bolsters recruiting better than a winning program....and by 'we' I mean Frank and the players. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/16/2014 3:47:39 PM  The Situation wrote: What end of season OHIO win total would signal collapse to you Paul? If OHIO ends the season with less than 4 wins has the program collapsed? How about less than 5? 6? 7? 8? Set your bar now, so your opinion can be judged fairly at the end of season. My thesis is that both you and Monroe never intended to have your opinions on this years team formally judged. You two find the chase of your own tails far too enjoyable. Afterall, neither you nor Monroe took a stab at predicting the record. http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa... And to complicate your opinion on Monroe, Mr. Slavin went on record to state in the the linked thread in August: Monroe Slavin wrote: Nobody has the Bobcats in the MACC game? I don't rule it OUt. So Paul let's not act like Monroe was predicting the 2008 financial crisis in 2006. Ok, well win total is only a small portion of what really matters. If we beat Idaho, Kent, Miami and EIU then we don't really know anything about this team or the future. Well, I guess we would have learned that we aren't one of the bottom 10-15 teams in the country. So that would be good news. If we get to five wins that would mean we have a pulse. Its a bad season (yes, Bcat2 by both historical Ohio standards and Solich standards), but the sky isn't falling. However, I'd still be concerned about the program's future under Solich. If we got to 6 wins, then I would reduce my complaining from "total collapse" back to "plateaued." I think my tone and mood regarding the program would improve quite a bit. Seven or greater and I would recant everything and I would mail an apology letter to Bcat2. What's missing from your question is the issue of "style points." The 2008 rebuilding Bobcats won only 4 games...but they played Ohio State, Northwestern and CMU tight and lost to Wyoming by a point on the road in the opener. For the most part, they were competitive and fun to watch. You also got the feeling watching them that they were a year or two away from a much better season. This years team has none of that. Hope that answers your questions! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,742 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/16/2014 4:19:36 PM  Paul Graham wrote: . . . Seven or greater and I would recant everything and I would mail an apology letter to Bcat2. . . . That's what I'm hoping for! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: GOOD IDEA question    Posted: 10/16/2014 4:53:02 PM  Paul Graham wrote: What's missing from your question is the issue of "style points." The 2008 rebuilding Bobcats won only 4 games...but they played Ohio State, Northwestern and CMU tight and lost to Wyoming by a point on the road in the opener. For the most part, they were competitive and fun to watch. You also got the feeling watching them that they were a year or two away from a much better season. The 2008 team is the same one in my mind I keep coming back to as well. I felt better about opening that year 0-4 than I do this year's opening at 2-2. And our best win in 2008 was probably over a 5-win Akron team. But I don't know. I feel like this year's team still has a WTF??? win in it, and in 2008 I don't know that I felt that way down the stretch. Maybe it's this weekend over eventual division champ Akron. Maybe it's over NIU later on. Then again, maybe I'm just in denial. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 27 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 267 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 265 Guests 2 Registered Users:   GreenDaddy, OUs LONG Driver There are no other users looking at this page.

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