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LuckySparrow
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  Message Not Read  Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 12:41:19 AM 
I'll preface this by saying that I'm a Cubs fan who has absolutely bought into the Epstein/Hoyer plan (if you're a baseball fan, you'll know what I mean). Obviously the Cubs rebuilding process has been written about ad nauseum over the last 3 years and college football is much different.

That said, we're Bobcat fans. Since I showed up on campus (2010, I'm gone now) we've had win totals of 8, 10, 9, and 7 with two bowl victories. That's impressive and shouldn't be forgotten.

It's apparent that this season is the college football equivalent of a rebuilding year. Our quality seniors are Crutcher, Kristoff, L. Smith, McLeod, Cochran, Kendric, and Thad. Not exactly a do or die season.

We've seen some good stuff from the young crop or WRs - Sebastian Smith, Cope, and Reid especially. A few frosh OLs have been plugged in and have held their own. Clearly, Ouellette has had emerged as a good RB. Papi White, Walker, Duckworth, Irons, Brunis, and Wyatt seem to be the next flock of talent to complete the future offense.

Defensively, we can get to this more in the comments, but I feel like there's JR and SO players who are already impact talent players.

My last point of discussion - don't underestimate the power of the Redshirt. If you're calling for Irons to get some playing time, just look at the overwhelming majority of the roster that has been redshirted.

So, are you guys going practice patience and respect the rebuilding process? Or does this program need to win NOW? Any other random thoughts on the rest of the 2014 season (improvements you expect or things you want to see) and of course thoughts on future seasons are welcome.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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catfan28
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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 1:50:22 AM 
Recruiting is a huge issue IMO. You look at teams like BG and Central...it's easy to see that we're at a significant talent disadvantage. As I've harped on before, we are a team of walk-ons and largely 1-AA caliber players. That just doesn't cut it against a team like BG or Central where most guys had 4-5 legit D1 offers. From a recruiting standpoint, we are a lower tier MAC school right now - and that's a shame.
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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 1:58:35 AM 
CatFan, are you sure your recruiting comments match the facts? I thought that the last two recruiting classes had mostly players with several legit offers.?
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catfan28
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 2:03:33 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
CatFan, are you sure your recruiting comments match the facts? I thought that the last two recruiting classes had mostly players with several legit offers.?


We have still been behind much of the MAC in rankings (which I know can be flawed)...but I think that tells you something. There were 9-10 former walk-ons on the field today playing significant minutes. Not saying walk-ons can't turn into good players, but that is a bit alarming. Our QB/RB combo is 2 guys with no other 1A offers that started as walk-ons! That to me is a big, big concern...
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LuckySparrow
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 3:09:15 AM 
It doesn't look like the official website notes former walk-ons. Can you post the guys who were former walk-ons? I can't remember who fit that description.

Let's not pretend like JD Sprague is a legit Ohio starting QB. Vick is the guy. At RB, Ouellette has proved himself to be a worthy option. Daz has been ok but under performing in my opinion, which might just be a product of our offense.

Last Edited: 10/12/2014 3:10:56 AM by LuckySparrow

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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71 BOBCAT
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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 9:59:30 AM 
I look at BG....They loose their starting all conference QB in the 1st game and in comes a Sophmore and it appears they will win the East. Not to mention they have a new coach as well.
As a famous broadcaster in Boston, Bob Lobel, would say; "Why can't we get players like that?"
Food for thought.




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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 10:54:31 AM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I look at BG....They loose their starting all conference QB in the 1st game and in comes a Sophmore and it appears they will win the East. Not to mention they have a new coach as well.
As a famous broadcaster in Boston, Bob Lobel, would say; "Why can't we get players like that?"
Food for thought.




GO BOBCATS


These things tend to go in cycles. Other fans of MAC teams were probably saying the same thing about Ohio in 2011, how come they can't or don't have a Tyler Tettleton? Not one single MAC team has a great or even good QB every year, not one. Look at NIU, they just got pasted by an improving CMU team. No Jordon Lynch, no hope for a MACC this year. CMU stunk after LeFevour left, enough that Enos was on the hot seat for awhile. BG had some recent down years (wasn't our last Homecoming win against BG? Not sure). Not one single MAC team has a difference-making QB (or player for that matter) year after year after year.

Last Edited: 10/12/2014 10:57:34 AM by Mark Lembright '85
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Paul Graham
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 11:51:22 AM 
We weren't good last year. We beat a Marshall team that virtually handed us the game through turnovers and we had another decent win or two. Games against above average competition were BLOWOUTS. The class of the MAC punished us last year.

Is that what we are "rebuilding" to get back to? So in two years we can win seven games and Schaus can wheel and deal to get us into a bowl game that no one cares about? What is the point?

One more thought: Good programs don't fall to the Bottom 10 in a rebuilding year.
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SBH
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 11:56:32 AM 
Paul Graham wrote:
We weren't good last year. We beat a Marshall team that virtually handed us the game through turnovers and we had another decent win or two. Games against above average competition were BLOWOUTS. The class of the MAC punished us last year.

Is that what we are "rebuilding" to get back to? So in two years we can win seven games and Schaus can wheel and deal to get us into a bowl game that no one cares about? What is the point?

One more thought: Good programs don't fall to the Bottom 10 in a rebuilding year.


I absolutely agree. This program has been on the decline for 2 years and our staff isn't getting the job done. It's time for Frank to make some hard decisions about the people he has surrounded himself with. No amount of marketing can cover up the lack of talent, preparation and discipline that's been evident on the field the past 18 months or so.


Last Edited: 10/12/2014 11:57:01 AM by SBH
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TWT
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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 12:33:50 PM 
SBH wrote:
Paul Graham wrote:
We weren't good last year. We beat a Marshall team that virtually handed us the game through turnovers and we had another decent win or two. Games against above average competition were BLOWOUTS. The class of the MAC punished us last year.

Is that what we are "rebuilding" to get back to? So in two years we can win seven games and Schaus can wheel and deal to get us into a bowl game that no one cares about? What is the point?

One more thought: Good programs don't fall to the Bottom 10 in a rebuilding year.


I absolutely agree. This program has been on the decline for 2 years and our staff isn't getting the job done. It's time for Frank to make some hard decisions about the people he has surrounded himself with. No amount of marketing can cover up the lack of talent, preparation and discipline that's been evident on the field the past 18 months or so.


Do you think Frank is oblivious to the performance? That he hasn't tried his best to improve the performance on the field? The issue is he's failed to turn things around so you need a Head Coach that can get the job done. If Albin's play calling was an issue he could demand that Albin call certain plays. He's been an offensive coordinator before. If the talent is good enough its on Frank as he is not the closer he needs to be on the recruiting trail. I think this program is ready to bring in a big closer as HC but I respect that Frank is under contract for 2 more years and have some patience.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Respect the process
   Posted: 10/12/2014 12:48:50 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I look at BG....They loose their starting all conference QB in the 1st game and in comes a Sophmore and it appears they will win the East. Not to mention they have a new coach as well.
As a famous broadcaster in Boston, Bob Lobel, would say; "Why can't we get players like that?"
Food for thought.




GO BOBCATS


These things tend to go in cycles. Other fans of MAC teams were probably saying the same thing about Ohio in 2011, how come they can't or don't have a Tyler Tettleton? Not one single MAC team has a great or even good QB every year, not one. Look at NIU, they just got pasted by an improving CMU team. No Jordon Lynch, no hope for a MACC this year. CMU stunk after LeFevour left, enough that Enos was on the hot seat for awhile. BG had some recent down years (wasn't our last Homecoming win against BG? Not sure). Not one single MAC team has a difference-making QB (or player for that matter) year after year after year.


Our last homecoming win was a close one over Akron in 2012, which I think was the game prior to our first loss of the season at Miami...

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L.C.
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 2:43:54 PM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
...Can you post the guys who were former walk-ons? I can't remember who fit that description. ...

Four starters: JD Sprauge, AJ OUellette, Chad Moore, Josh Kristoff

Two Special Teams Specialists: Joshiah Yazdani, Miles Chapman

Others that played: Ian Dixon (WR), Grant Cunningham (S), Josh Makuch (MLB), Mike Terpin (CB), Cody Grillot (MLB), Blake Scipio (S), Devin Saunders (TE), Travis Daugherty (OLB), Kawmae Sawyer (WR)

Out with injury: Seth Everhart (OG), Devin Jones (S/CB)

Note: Some of the "Others that played" play primarily on special teams

Last Edited: 10/12/2014 2:45:02 PM by L.C.

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Brufus
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   Posted: 10/12/2014 3:20:03 PM 
A-townBound wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
I look at BG....They loose their starting all conference QB in the 1st game and in comes a Sophmore and it appears they will win the East. Not to mention they have a new coach as well.
As a famous broadcaster in Boston, Bob Lobel, would say; "Why can't we get players like that?"
Food for thought.




GO BOBCATS


These things tend to go in cycles. Other fans of MAC teams were probably saying the same thing about Ohio in 2011, how come they can't or don't have a Tyler Tettleton? Not one single MAC team has a great or even good QB every year, not one. Look at NIU, they just got pasted by an improving CMU team. No Jordon Lynch, no hope for a MACC this year. CMU stunk after LeFevour left, enough that Enos was on the hot seat for awhile. BG had some recent down years (wasn't our last Homecoming win against BG? Not sure). Not one single MAC team has a difference-making QB (or player for that matter) year after year after year.


Our last homecoming win was a close one over Akron in 2012, which I think was the game prior to our first loss of the season at Miami...


It was indeed the last game before Miami (bye week in between). We've lost 3 of lost 4 homecoming games (Ball State '11, Central Michigan '13, BG yesterday)


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