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Author Message Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     So here we are now....    Posted: 12/6/2011 11:52:25 PM  Everytime I bring up scheduling on this board, I get the same response: "We need to get the program back on solid ground and then we'll start scheduling better home games at Peden." Consider this my yearly check-in to ask "Are we there yet?" 3 MAC Title Games in 6 years. 3 straight bowl apperances and 4 in 6 years. A 9 win season against a god awful schedule. What's it gonna take to start playing some real games? Cue up "New Mexico State" should be a great home game for our students! Back to Top whocaresgobobcats General User Member Since: 8/29/2011 Post Count: 519 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:08:40 AM  Uh, winning a conference championship. Maybe a bowl win, that'd be nice.  Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:17:41 AM  Don't forget Norfolk State, North Texas, Idaho and Eastern Illinois. 2012        09/01 - at Penn State     09/08 - New Mexico State     09/15 - at Marshall     09/22 - Norfolk State   2013     08/31 - at Louisville     09/07 - North Texas     09/14 - Marshall     TBA - Austin Peay 2014        09/06 - at Kentucky     09/13 - at Marshall     09/20 - Idaho     09/27 - Eastern Illinois 2015         09/05 - Southeastern Louisiana     09/12 - Marshall     09/19 - at Idaho     09/26 - at Minnesota Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,204 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 1:23:59 AM  Lord Wellington Fisherburn wrote: Uh, winning a conference championship. Maybe a bowl win, that'd be nice.  The schedules as weak as what they are has more to do with the inability to recruit players to Athens. All the best MAC level players in Ohio tend to go to Toledo because its in a city or Miami since its close to all the powerhouse football conferences in SW Ohio. Therefore it makes sense to dumb down the schedule to produce 8-10 wins a year. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 7:25:07 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Lord Wellington Fisherburn wrote: Uh, winning a conference championship. Maybe a bowl win, that'd be nice.  The schedules as weak as what they are has more to do with the inability to recruit players to Athens. All the best MAC level players in Ohio tend to go to Toledo because its in a city or Miami since its close to all the powerhouse football conferences in SW Ohio. Therefore it makes sense to dumb down the schedule to produce 8-10 wins a year. I don't agree with the comment regarding Fiami.  If they attract better players, why have we beaten them six straight?  If the "dumbed down" schedule is the result of AQ schools' unwillingness to come to Athens, so be it.  But for those of us who are on the outside of the process, it seems that maybe the AD's office needs to be more creative in luring AQs to Athens (maybe 2-fers involving the basketball team?).  And if the 2-fer winds up with an AQ school showing up at the Convo instead of Peden, that's ok too.  Right now, we're not getting either. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 8:36:03 AM  Other than the significant fact that our OOC schedule may be one reason why we're playing in Idaho instead of Mobile, I don't have a complaint with the current slate of opponents.  We've got 9, hopefully, 10 wins, a lot of national exposure, for better or worse, and from all indications, a vibrant recruiting pipeline.  What's not to like? Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 8:46:46 AM  OhioStunter wrote: Don't forget Norfolk State, North Texas, Idaho and Eastern Illinois. Corresponding with Penn State, Louisville, Kentucky and Minnesota... You make $$ with away games and build records with home games.  You sprinkle in occasional big OOC games but you build fan loyalty winning big home conference games.  I see zero upside to risking additional injuries by scheduling even more BCS games due to the inherent differences in depth between MAC rosters and BCS rosters.  These decisions can have a direct impact on our in conference success which is in the end, our primary goal.    GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 9:18:04 AM  Seems to me we could have replaced Gardner Webb with a real home game this year, maybe won or lost, and still been in the same position we're in today. Just a continued disservice to the students who's fees support the majority of this whole program. If we continue to crap on the future alumni base with terrible slates of games in football and basketball just to artificially inflate our record, then by all means, none of us should be surprised when this whole Athletic Department folds like the house of cards that it is. All the whining and bitching about student attendance and participation on this board. There is a direct correlation between quality of opponent and participation. Everybody on this board wants to suck up to the Athletic Department, I'm just calling it like I see it. There's a lot of people taking the easy way out when it comes to scheduling, and I find it to be completely unacceptable when looking at the future economic sustainability of Ohio Athletics. You aren't going to bring (and keep) people in the fold with Tennessee Martin, Gardner Webb, New Mexico State, Idaho, Norfolk State, and the usual cast of clowns we bring to Athens. In fact, your going to alienate them. I can't blame kids for supporting Ohio State when this is the slop we serve up every Saturday in Peden and before they go on break in the Convo. Penny Wise and Pound Foolish. That's how we operate. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,949 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 9:27:10 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: Just a continued disservice to the students who's fees support the majority of this whole program. A fair point, but one that no alum can command insight about.  I'd like to hear from current students regarding the state of athletics.  Bobcat Love wrote: If we continue to crap on the future alumni base with terrible slates of games in football and basketball just to artificially inflate our record, then by all means, none of us should be surprised when this whole Athletic Department folds like the house of cards that it is. A conclusion based on a lone perspective.  Again, I'd be interested to hear from current students. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 9:29:17 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: Seems to me we could have replaced Gardner Webb with a real home game this year, maybe won or lost, and still been in the same position we're in today. Just a continued disservice to the students who's fees support the majority of this whole program. If we continue to crap on the future alumni base with terrible slates of games in football and basketball just to artificially inflate our record, then by all means, none of us should be surprised when this whole Athletic Department folds like the house of cards that it is. All the whining and bitching about student attendance and participation on this board. There is a direct correlation between quality of opponent and participation. Everybody on this board wants to suck up to the Athletic Department, I'm just calling it like I see it. There's a lot of people taking the easy way out when it comes to scheduling, and I find it to be completely unacceptable when looking at the future economic sustainability of Ohio Athletics. You aren't going to bring (and keep) people in the fold with Tennessee Martin, Gardner Webb, New Mexico State, Idaho, Norfolk State, and the usual cast of clowns we bring to Athens. In fact, your going to alienate them. I can't blame kids for supporting Ohio State when this is the slop we serve up every Saturday in Peden and before they go on break in the Convo. Penny Wise and Pound Foolish. That's how we operate. Just playing devil's advocate-in 2010 the Wofford game outdrew Toledo at Peden Stadium 22,955 to 19,455. Wofford drew nearly as many as UConn did the year before. Back to Top Turney13 General User Member Since: 7/27/2010 Post Count: 358 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 9:37:58 AM  We've had the same future schedule since you were crying about this 2-3 years ago. You were predicting a total collapse of OHIO football, you were organizing 4 person walkouts against the Rajun Cajuns... How about copping to the fact you were wrong - having some success has put us in a better situation? Now we can actually talk about trying to improve the schedule.  Turney Duff Twitter: @turneyduff Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:25:20 AM  Seems like the walkout worked against Temple this year when the entire stadium left at halftime of the "biggest" home game of the year. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:27:15 AM  cc cat wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: Just a continued disservice to the students who's fees support the majority of this whole program. A fair point, but one that no alum can command insight about.  I'd like to hear from current students regarding the state of athletics.  Bobcat Love wrote: If we continue to crap on the future alumni base with terrible slates of games in football and basketball just to artificially inflate our record, then by all means, none of us should be surprised when this whole Athletic Department folds like the house of cards that it is. A conclusion based on a lone perspective.  Again, I'd be interested to hear from current students. Current students don't pay admission. While they are obviously important to the game and should be in attendance, their presence does not impact the financial bottom line (especially if Peden doesn't make money on vending, which it sounds like they don't). By the time the "current students'" perspectives are included and implemented, they become alumni. And alumni and community members in and around Athens should have the biggest say in what they want to see at Peden. They are paying for tickets. If they don't bring in high-profile opponents (see Pitt game success), the administration must rely on other gimmicks to get butts in seats (fireworks, concerts, special promos, shuttle buses *sigh*). Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:32:15 AM  Seems like the walkout worked against Temple this year when the entire stadium left at halftime of the "biggest" home game of the year. Not to mention I could physically count how many people were left in the stands in the 3Q of the Gardner Webb game. Sure you might get your baseline attendance numbers, but again, penny wise and pound foolish. Students as a whole don't give a crap about the product on the field, and putting this ridiculous slate of opponents in front of them does nothing to build brand equity into the future. I can already hear future alumni talking 7 years into the future when they move to Columbus, Cleveland, Chicago wearing their Scarlet and Gray jerseys... "Yeah, I guess OU had a good team when I was in school but we never played any good home games so I kept following Ohio State like I did growing up. We lost all the big games on the road, so I never really cared whether we won or lost MAC Titles or Bowl Games. I mean, I wasn't going to miss the Bucks game to go watch OU play Idaho or Gardner Webb." And who can blame them. Sure, we're at an interesting time in the history of Ohio Football, but it's still artificially inflated mediocrity as far as I presume. Gotta aim higher. Much higher. Last Edited: 12/7/2011 10:32:28 AM by Bobcat Love Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:36:04 AM  OhioStunter wrote: Current students don't pay admission. While they are obviously important to the game and should be in attendance, their presence does not impact the financial bottom line\ We'll remember this when the students have an uprising about their fees and where they are directed. Because we have no private funding (I.E. We didn't build brand equity when students were in school, so they don't donate as alumni) we rely HEAVILY on these student fees. Yet we continue to take mile after mile on their dime. If I was a student with any moxie, I would demand changes to how my fees were allocated - STAT. This Athletic Department is getting away with murder in exchange for inflated W/L record's that are doing nothing but harm to the long term prognosis of the Athletic Programs at the University. I don't think the Administration is giving the students nearly enough in exchange for their fee money. Gardner Webb and Kennesaw State ain't cutting it year after year. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:41:49 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate-in 2010 the Wofford game outdrew Toledo at Peden Stadium 22,955 to 19,455. Wofford drew nearly as many as UConn did the year before. Speaking of Wofford...OUCH... http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bcj75 GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 10:47:37 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: This Athletic Department is getting away with murder in exchange for inflated W/L record's that are doing nothing but harm to the long term prognosis of the Athletic Programs at the University. Murder? Really? Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,204 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 11:04:34 AM  Pataskala wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Lord Wellington Fisherburn wrote: Uh, winning a conference championship. Maybe a bowl win, that'd be nice.  The schedules as weak as what they are has more to do with the inability to recruit players to Athens. All the best MAC level players in Ohio tend to go to Toledo because its in a city or Miami since its close to all the powerhouse football conferences in SW Ohio. Therefore it makes sense to dumb down the schedule to produce 8-10 wins a year. I don't agree with the comment regarding Fiami.  If they attract better players, why have we beaten them six straight?  If the "dumbed down" schedule is the result of AQ schools' unwillingness to come to Athens, so be it.  But for those of us who are on the outside of the process, it seems that maybe the AD's office needs to be more creative in luring AQs to Athens (maybe 2-fers involving the basketball team?).  And if the 2-fer winds up with an AQ school showing up at the Convo instead of Peden, that's ok too.  Right now, we're not getting either. The reason OHIO beats Miami is because it has a better program under Frank. Frank has installed his pistol offense in Athens and its too much for most MAC schools to handle. I'm saying if you are thinking about the state from recruiting advantages first comes Ohio State and the Big Ten. Cincinnati cleans up the urban league players and then Toledo. Then Miami has an edge in talent rich SW Ohio. In the game for recruits in NE Ohio its split between BG, Ohio and Miami. While Ohio is definitely capable of picking up some good players we aren't capable of herding all the best MAC level players to Athens like Boise State can in the WAC/MWC region. The MAC is too competitive. Every school but EMU and Kent has made a bowl game in the last 4 seasons and EMU/Kent have been very close. I will take a coach and program that can get it done in the key MAC East games every year like Temple and Fiami. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Turney13 General User Member Since: 7/27/2010 Post Count: 358 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 11:34:13 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: Seems like the walkout worked against Temple this year when the entire stadium left at halftime of the "biggest" home game of the year. Not to mention I could physically count how many people were left in the stands in the 3Q of the Gardner Webb game. Sure you might get your baseline attendance numbers, but again, penny wise and pound foolish. Students as a whole don't give a crap about the product on the field, and putting this ridiculous slate of opponents in front of them does nothing to build brand equity into the future. I can already hear future alumni talking 7 years into the future when they move to Columbus, Cleveland, Chicago wearing their Scarlet and Gray jerseys... "Yeah, I guess OU had a good team when I was in school but we never played any good home games so I kept following Ohio State like I did growing up. We lost all the big games on the road, so I never really cared whether we won or lost MAC Titles or Bowl Games. I mean, I wasn't going to miss the Bucks game to go watch OU play Idaho or Gardner Webb." And who can blame them. Sure, we're at an interesting time in the history of Ohio Football, but it's still artificially inflated mediocrity as far as I presume. Gotta aim higher. Much higher. Last i checked Temple was in the MAC - so not sure how that has anything to do with it - unless you are suggesting that if Iowa State or Minnesota had traveled to Athens in Sept. all of a sudden the students would have opt'd to stay for the second half of the Temple game on a cold Wednesday night in November... I guess you didn't major in logic... Turney Duff Twitter: @turneyduff Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,204 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:07:04 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: And who can blame them. Sure, we're at an interesting time in the history of Ohio Football, but it's still artificially inflated mediocrity as far as I presume. Gotta aim higher. Much higher. Whats most important to fans is winning and the level of national exposure received. OHIO is building an identity here as a solid football program. We also play for bowl games and it makes a lot more sense to win 8 or 9 games than 6 or 7 in that regard. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:37:56 PM  I think setting a winning precedent, no matter who it is against, is what we need to do first. Still haven't won that MAC championship or bowl game yet, so I don't think anyone can say we don't play a tough enough schedule when we still haven't accomplished that yet. I'd rather Ohio be 9-4 right now with the non-conference schedule it played rather than 7-6 against the schedule Miami played. Besides that, I think most fans who attend games, who are not like the ones on this board, don't really care if we play Wofford or Pittsburgh. The most important thing to them is wins. As long as Ohio is winning, they'll show up. Back to Top Business_Cat General User Member Since: 11/17/2011 Post Count: 251 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:38:13 PM  cc cat wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: Just a continued disservice to the students who's fees support the majority of this whole program. A fair point, but one that no alum can command insight about.  I'd like to hear from current students regarding the state of athletics.  Bobcat Love wrote: If we continue to crap on the future alumni base with terrible slates of games in football and basketball just to artificially inflate our record, then by all means, none of us should be surprised when this whole Athletic Department folds like the house of cards that it is. A conclusion based on a lone perspective.  Again, I'd be interested to hear from current students. Well, current student here and loyal Bobcat fan. First and foremost, I cannot stand the  buckeyes and I don't care who they play, I'm not watching them. There are a lot of us that go to every game and don't mind the huge student fee, (about 500 per quarter), however, there are simply more that couldn't care less about sports. That will change as we get more 9-10 win seasons. So, fluff the schedule for a few years, get OUr own students to care before we start talking about any CUSA or Big Least. As far as recruiting, I have faith in Solich, but I would love to see OU bring in an equally famous defensive coordinator. If you guys ever have questions for current students, just let me know.  You know what Frank Solich likes most about coaching in the MAC? While he gets older, his coaching competition stays the same age, man. The real O-H-I-O Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 12:48:58 PM  Bobcat36 wrote: OhioStunter wrote: Don't forget Norfolk State, North Texas, Idaho and Eastern Illinois. Corresponding with Penn State, Louisville, Kentucky and Minnesota... You make $$ with away games and build records with home games.  You sprinkle in occasional big OOC games but you build fan loyalty winning big home conference games.  I see zero upside to risking additional injuries by scheduling even more BCS games due to the inherent differences in depth between MAC rosters and BCS rosters.  These decisions can have a direct impact on our in conference success which is in the end, our primary goal.    Agreed 100%. OSU's OOC schedule next year is Miami (OH), Cincinnati, Cal, and UAB. You don't here any bucknuts screaming about how they need to be playing Alabama, LSU, and Oklahoma State at home. We have Marshall. Most years that will be competitive. We have a challenging away game each year in the form of PSU, U of L, UK, and Minn. The other two games need to be fluff games to build the record and give our players a little relief leading up to the conference slate. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 1:03:05 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: And who can blame them. Sure, we're at an interesting time in the history of Ohio Football, but it's still artificially inflated mediocrity as far as I presume. Gotta aim higher. Much higher. Whats most important to fans is winning and the level of national exposure received. OHIO is building an identity here as a solid football program. We also play for bowl games and it makes a lot more sense to win 8 or 9 games than 6 or 7 in that regard. This. If we continue to have winning seasons, break into the Top 25, and win a couple MAC championships people will start caring and the opponents won't matter. No one is going to care who we played if we are considering a 6 or 7 win season to be the goal. Give me Wofford and 10 wins any day. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Bobcat110alum General User Member Since: 7/7/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 470 Status: Offline     RE: So here we are now....    Posted: 12/7/2011 1:37:11 PM  Has Frank ever shown up to freshman orientation?  Maybe if he took some time and spoke to all of them while they were in the Convo, it might generate just a little interest, and it would make him seem more accessible to the student body.  Even have some of the captains come (Granted, this may happen and I just don't know it) Look how Groce thanks all the students after every home game.   Before the Miami football game this year, the 110 was eating in the Convo, and a good number of band kids sat in on the bball team practicing.  When Groce noticed, he made a point to acknowledge everyone really quick during a break (A simple "How we doin today, band?!")  As a student, little things like that make me feel like the coaches actually care a bit about the rest of the students.   Just throwing it out there.   B.S. 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