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79DAD
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  Message Not Read  This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 2:19:07 PM 
Pitt is a joke....can not blame this guy one bit.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/11348/1196788-100.stm
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 2:26:57 PM 
Haywood is still available.


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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 2:37:11 PM 


Is Pitt still in session?  If so, this guy should've met with his players.  Sending a text and bolting is lame and just another example that the NCAA is full of coaching mercenaries who care not one bit about nor have any respect for athletes.

 


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 2:45:58 PM 
PITT is playing in the BBVA bowl.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 3:16:22 PM 
Don't be too quick to judge the etiquette, or lack thereof, that Graham left PITT under.  PITT itself set the etiquette bar pretty low just a few short months ago when they stiffed the BigEast for the ACC, while their Chancellor was masquerading as being highly involved with negotiating a new Big East television agreement.

When the BigEast howled about PITT's "lack" of ethical behavior the PITT braintrust couched their sneakyness in they just had to look out for PITT's "best" long-term interests. Graham basically played the same hand on PITT today.

I find the whole thing amusing and it smacks as what comes around goes around. PITT football though has lost nearly all it's relevancy. However, it gives Frank's favorite AD, one Steve Pederson, yet another chance to totally botch hiring a D1 football coach. Pederson has so miserably failed at that task that it could be turned into one of those inane cable "reality shows".

In fact Pederson so screwed up the firing of PITT's Wannstendt and hiring of Smack Your Baby Mama former Miamisucks Haywood, that PITT took the overall hiring duties away from Pederson and appointed a committee to hire Graham.

Pederson and hiring/firing D1 football coaches fits into one of those you can't make this _hit-up columns.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 3:22:40 PM 
This is now twice he's left his team after one season.

I personally think June Jones is a better coach.  I'd be disappointed if I was a Sun Devils fan. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 3:33:55 PM 
BSports, I couldn't have said it better.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 4:02:19 PM 
Maybe Rushel Shell will de-commit to Pitt and consider a stable and classy program like Ohio.

We can dream anyway.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 6:25:17 PM 
td111896 wrote:
This is now twice he's left his team after one season.

I personally think June Jones is a better coach.  I'd be disappointed if I was a Sun Devils fan. 


Agree here. They pulled the trigger on this way too quickly. BCS job in a warm weather state? I think you can get a better coach at that program.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/14/2011 6:45:02 PM 
I've never understood why they've had problems being an elite PAC-10 (12, whatever...) program. They have -- how do I put this diplomatically? -- the best sightseeing opportunities in the country. A Roomba could get a degree there, so no institutional pressure for academic excellence on the players exists. Seems to me they should be where they were under Bruce Snyder a whole lot more more often than they are.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/15/2011 9:54:35 AM 
Graham's success was tied to his old OC at Tulsa. That guy is at Clemson running the offense that Graham promised Pitt.  Graham knows very little in coaching. ASU made a big mistake. I have had many emails  that Graham would be the last guy you would want in your foxhole during battle.
His wife is a joke as well. Pitt in the long run might be better off. If they can get the right guy. Bradley at PSU comes to mind.

But yes Pitt reaped what it sowed, They deserted the Big East for the ACC much the same way Graham left Pitt.

The scary thing about Graham is that he told his players on numerous occasions that he had all the money had needed  and COULD retire to the Caribbean anytime he wanted. That he was there for them.

Fact is that Todd Graham never won any titles, always had bad defenses and was always looking for a job.

He applied for the KU and A&M jobs as well. 

The AD at Pitt Steve Pederson needs to go, he has been awful since he returned from his dream job at Lincoln

We all know what he did there
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/15/2011 10:17:49 AM 
"Frank"ly speaking, we should be the happiest people that Steve Pederson has done the things he's done.

(See what I did there? I'm pretty proud of that.)

The Pitt committee that hired Graham, by the way, hired a guy who'd already been interviewed and chosed second behind Haywood.

VERRRY interesting suggestion of Tom Bradley for the job. But Pitt people would rather play in traffic than turn to anything from the Nittanies.

I am loving the schadenfreude today of jilted Pitt fans. The shock that this could happen to them is deliciious.
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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/15/2011 10:33:51 AM 
BobcatSports wrote:
Don't be too quick to judge the etiquette, or lack thereof, that Graham left PITT under.  PITT itself set the etiquette bar pretty low just a few short months ago when they stiffed the BigEast for the ACC, while their Chancellor was masquerading as being highly involved with negotiating a new Big East television agreement.

When the BigEast howled about PITT's "lack" of ethical behavior the PITT braintrust couched their sneakyness in they just had to look out for PITT's "best" long-term interests. Graham basically played the same hand on PITT today.

I find the whole thing amusing and it smacks as what comes around goes around. PITT football though has lost nearly all it's relevancy. However, it gives Frank's favorite AD, one Steve Pederson, yet another chance to totally botch hiring a D1 football coach. Pederson has so miserably failed at that task that it could be turned into one of those inane cable "reality shows".

In fact Pederson so screwed up the firing of PITT's Wannstendt and hiring of Smack Your Baby Mama former Miamisucks Haywood, that PITT took the overall hiring duties away from Pederson and appointed a committee to hire Graham.

Pederson and hiring/firing D1 football coaches fits into one of those you can't make this _hit-up columns.


I think you miss my point entirely.  I care not for Pitt's leaders.  None of what you mention has anything to do with the athletes this coach didn't have the class to meet with personally.  It is pretty much routine now for coaches to skip town and blow off their former athletes.  Randy Edsell to Maryland is a prime example.  It shows how coaches have complete disrespect and irregard for their athletes.  And, certainly these coaches push for all sorts of respectful and professional behavior from their athletes.  So, by and large, the coaching profession is full of two faced liars.  Its pathetic.

Last Edited: 12/15/2011 10:35:20 AM by Ohio69


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/15/2011 11:51:25 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
  . . . So, by and large, the coaching profession is full of two faced liars.  Its pathetic.


I reluctantly have to agree with you.  It ranges from My-Legacy-is-the-important-thing JoePa to My-doctors-say-I'm-too-ill-to-coach-again-in-a-pressure-situation-unless-I'm-offered-a-zillion-dollars Suburban Meyers.  I was raised in the days of honorable men like Gentleman Jim Snyder and Bill Hess.  With these guys their word was their bond.  While they could  "coach speak" with the best of them in terms of confusing an upcoming opponent or glossing over a team weakness, they would never pull the shenanigans that these guys do today.  There still are a few of these honorable guys out there, but they seem to be a dying breed.

Edit: I remember one time when Coach Hess was offered the job at Pitt.  He considered it for a few days and then said that he'd rather stay and coach at his alma mater for less money than take the job with the Panthers.  This was widely reported at the time in the media.  Not many coaches like that today who put loyalty above paycheck.  I think we might just have another one now, but his path to Athens was not exactly the conventional route.  

Last Edited: 12/15/2011 8:20:34 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: This Guy Didn't Last Long...Graham to Arizona
   Posted: 12/15/2011 3:48:13 PM 

Sadly it is one thing if a group of college administrators or even the college president acts shameful and without any scruples. However, coaches are literally in the trenches with the players day in and day out. They can't appear to be phony. They have to be above the phony fray. It is bad enough that we have players who leave their teams high and dry because they got in trouble or acted inappropriately, it is quite another if a coach leaves his team and tells them via a text. Even the slithery Bobby Petrino printed out a letter and put it in his players lockers before leaving town. This Mark Schlabach ESPN probably best sums it up. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7355451/arizona-state-sun-devils-coach-todd-graham-new-president-liar-club 

I realize Coach Solich is in his 60s and not in the hunt for another big time BCS job opportunity. However, even if he was 20 years younger, I can't imagine a man of his intregity could even fathom doing such a thing. People like Coach Graham and his ever growing ilk could learn a lot from people like Coach Solich.

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