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TWT
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BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/11/2011 7:51:24 PM

There is not much football to talk about this week so I thought it would be good to get some opinions on the benefit of BCS home games for the program. Ohio having a BCS school at home would not only be good for attendance at that particular game but also help increase season season ticket sales. Schaus has tried to lighten the schedule with SBC and WAC teams but I think after a 4-0 record in those games, mostly decisive blowouts that its time to upgrade the schedule some. We play the FCS school every year at home to pad the schedule as it is and Marshall is a former FCS team. By no means then substituting a SBC-WAC team for a mid level BCS school is going to lead to an extremely difficult non-conference schedule. Its going to take the easiest non-conference schedule in the MAC up to more the mid level with a Top Level BCS, Mid Level BCS, FCS and Marshall. Imagine the response by fans if we brought in names like Oregon State, Kansas, Ole Miss into Peden Stadium. I would even like to see Ohio try to make a series with all the BCS private schools; Wake Forest, Syracuse, Duke, Vanderbilt, TCU, Baylor, Northwestern, Boston College. Those schools don't have enough home gate to afford to payout the 1 million+ expected for a money game and would be willing to consider a 1 for 1. For the money game try to get a Big Ten on the schedule every year. Playing Kentucky or Rutgers on the road for money doesn't help our image. Playing a Purdue, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa ect every year would help to legitimize the program in a Big Ten state. Would the professors at Ohio like Steve Hays approve if we placed some better academic schools on the football schedule?

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:21:56 PM

Are you saying schools should schedule us because we are a bargain? Lets beat Rutgers, Indiana or Baylor before we start thumping our chests.

Why would one of the big boys come here? They can have 100k at $60 a pop, where we can pull 25k at $30 per. We'd have to schedule a 8-1 for them to break even.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:30:22 PM

OUBob wrote:

He isnt talking about getting OSU or Alabama in Peden. He is talking about the Purdues, Wake Forests, Ole Miss and Iowa States of the world. They dont have 100k attendance with 60 dollar tickets

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 1:45:57 PM

It's simple guys..PEDEN IS TOO SMALL. Even the lower tier ACC..SEC...BIG 10 schools wont play here 1, They dont want to possibly lose here and ruin a season 2. Peden is a shoe box.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 7:05:44 PM

Bobcatzblitz wrote:

It's simple guys..PEDEN IS TOO SMALL. Even the lower tier ACC..SEC...BIG 10 schools wont play here 1, They dont want to possibly lose here and ruin a season 2. Peden is a shoe box.

I'm not buying that. Toledo is hosting Missouri, Iowa State and Miami Fl over the next few seasons and the Glass Bowl only has 26,000 seats. Some of the schools I've listed to visit like Wake Forest and Duke only play in a 33,000 seat stadium themselves. Schools are willing to come to the Glass Bowl for a shot at an ESPN appearance.

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Last Edited: 11/12/2011 7:35:45 PM by TWT

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 7:11:15 PM

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OUBob wrote:

He isnt talking about getting OSU or Alabama in Peden. He is talking about the Purdues, Wake Forests, Ole Miss and Iowa States of the world. They dont have 100k attendance with 60 dollar tickets

The way my idea would work I'll give you the following example with Nebraska and Wake Forest. Wake Forest would be a 1 for 1 in football and Ohio would in return play at Wake in basketball in the road for no paycheck as an incentive. For Nebraska, the Bobcats would go on the road for football and accept a reduced payday to have the Huskers visit the Convo. The effect would be that the home football game with Wake and the home basketball game with Nebraska would sellout at a 30 dollar ticket and also drive up season ticket sales in basketball and hoops to be able to get that Wake and Nebraska game. I loved to be able to get to the point where we have 20,000 tickets sold for a midweek football game and by leveraging a BCS opponent early in the season that is one way to do it.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 8:12:02 PM

I thought we cancelled games versus Northwestern or/and Virginia Tech because we could afford to pay them to come here?

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 8:26:33 PM

Bobcat110 wrote:

I thought we cancelled games versus Northwestern or/and Virginia Tech because we could afford to pay them to come here?

it wasn't that we couldn't afford them its that Kirby wanted to turn them into lucrative money games on the road.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 9:26:32 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Bobcat110 wrote:

I thought we cancelled games versus Northwestern or/and Virginia Tech because we could afford to pay them to come here?

it wasn't that we couldn't afford them its that Kirby wanted to turn them into lucrative money games on the road.

Seems the same thing to me.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 9:38:01 PM

Bobcat110 wrote:

Seems the same thing to me.

It is, unless you think that it led to an unusual surge of cash that allowed Ohio to splurge. Basically if they can get a lower level BCS school to agree to a home and home, it is no different than getting a Wyoming to agree to the same. It is the 2-1 deals that hurt because they mean 5 game home schedules.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/12/2011 9:41:02 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

And, I might add that they've played home ESPN games in recent years with Kansas, Colorado, Syracuse, and Minnesota, Pitt, Purdue, Iowa State and Arizona. Interestingly, Purdue and Iowa State were in the same year (2007). Toledo has won more than their share of these games, too.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 3:01:54 PM

The perennial suggestion that the OHIO UNIVERSITY BOBCATS host such as Navy or Oregon or Michigan or you-fill-in-the-blank in Cleveland is your answer on all counts: A large stadium located in a heavily populated area, with many O-H-I-O persons around, and a contest between two quality teams.

I may be mistaken. But it seems to me that college football is somewhat of a popular sport. And that Cleveland is a good sports town. What major college football team plays in Cleveland? None, right? We oughta lock this down now. Personally it wouldn't bother me at all if we played 2-3 games a year in Cleveland.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 3:22:18 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I may be mistaken. But it seems to me that college football is somewhat of a popular sport. And that Cleveland is a good sports town. What major college football team plays in Cleveland? None, right? We oughta lock this down now. Personally it wouldn't bother me at all if we played 2-3 games a year in Cleveland.

Ohio joins the Big XII and that would be an option for hosting Oklahoma or Texas in Cleveland. I'm not sure if there are enough schools out there that would draw well enough in Cleveland to try and play regularly there right now.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 4:17:54 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Notre Dame?

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 5:20:27 PM

How many do we need to draw to make Cleveland feasible? From an economic standpoint, I'd guess 45K ??

From a TV or prestige perspective the number could be different.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 8:02:30 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

How many do we need to draw to make Cleveland feasible? From an economic standpoint, I'd guess 45K ??

From a TV or prestige perspective the number could be different.

At 50 dollars a ticket I would say 40,000 would sufficient to turn a profit. That is 2 million in gross revenue. To make it economically viable for Ohio the Cats would have to set up a 1 for 1 series. One game against Oregon in Eugene and one game against Oregon in Cleveland. Oregon would keep all revenue at home and OHIO with the game in Cleveland. Ohio would have to earn essentially all of its payday for 2 games in Cleveland to make it work. I guess its a possible Monroe. Maintain a six home game schedule every year and a 7th home game in Cleveland every other year?

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 9:23:39 PM

ColumbusCat '11 wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Notre Dame?

i don't like the idea of trying to sign Notre Dame or OSU to a game in Cleveland where its going to be 90% fans of their teams. A good idea might be to bring in teams from further away like Oregon or Oklahoma State that will bring some fans but not more than 50% of the crowd. OHIO could sign a 10 year contract with Cleveland Stadium to bring big time football to the city. Part of the contract would specify that no other school is allowed to play in the Stadium aside from Ohio. Ohio would play schools like Oregon, Oklahoma State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Arizona State, BYU with 1 game away and 1 in Cleveland every season. I bet Ohio Athletics could pull out the stops and promote one mega game like that in Cleveland a year sufficiently to get 40,000 out every time. BG tried it with Wisconsin and could only draw 28k but this is Bowling Green with a lousy fan support. A crowd of 40,000 once a year would work. I don't think we could handle something like that 2-3 times a year. It just takes too much promotion. Its a pretty good idea, I just wouldn't recommend trying it with PSU, OSU, ND, Mich, Mich State because of the hordes of fans drowning out our own.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/13/2011 11:01:27 PM

Some of you guys are incredibly optimistic about the interest in Ohio athletics and the MAC. If you really want a Cleveland game versus a BCS team, the options are to do what Toledo did, or do what Bowling Green did. I also think we'd have very similar results as those teams. Cleveland is almost as much of an O$U city as Columbus. Ohio hardly interests anyone here, including many alumni who still joke about Ohio football being horrid. Losing for virtually all of the 80s, half of the 90s and all through the Knorr era left a deep and bad impression among graduates and others alike. Just last night, I was in a bar and the St. Ed's v. St. Ignatius game was on. I was wearing an Ohio sweatshirt and minding my own business when someone watching the game said that either of those high school teams could beat Ohio. Yeah, it pissed me off and it was ignorant and the guy was "just joking." It was also representative of how casual sports fans view the MAC. They simply dismiss it. Moving a game four hours off campus to play some second tier BCS opponent with no ties or proximity to Cleveland, then charging more than a game in Athens when our own fans complain about our existing and incredibly cheap prices... ugh. It's a recipe for looking like the Temple of Cleveland.

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Posted: 11/13/2011 11:32:18 PM

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I would have been temped to punch that guy in the face. He would have remembered OHIO then.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/14/2011 12:07:01 AM

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I totally disagree here. Most people in this state don't know anything about OHIO football. Not that its good, bad or otherwise. I would reckon to say 50% of alumni don't have any information about the Cats football performance from 1980 to 2005. We have more pull in Cleveland than BG or Toledo. Take a look at our turnout for the basketball tourney when compared with those schools. Ohio brought names like Oregon, Cal, BYU, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Purdue, NC State every year to Cleveland it would be great for the city. Local O$U fans might want to tune in and support the Bobcats as a state team instead of a competitor. Have the games in the evening after the Big Ten is done playing. The Bobcat team is built up enough where it can compete if not win in those games. There might be an occassional situation where Ohio is blown out like if we played this years Oklahoma State team but for the most part we would be competitive. Think what it would do for recruiting nationally playing some real names instead of Rutgers and Kentucky (yawn).

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/14/2011 12:51:31 AM

For a game in Cleveland you could bank on 10,000 of the regular Athens crowd attending it with so many driving in long distances to catch a game in Peden as it is. On top of that figure 10,000 local alumni can be convinced to turnout with a strong marketing effort. That gives you 20k Bobcat fans there along with 10,000 visitors and 10,000 local football fans wanting to catch some major college action. The BG vs. Wisconsin game in 2006 drew 30,300 in Cleveland Stadium so I can't see why OHIO couldn't draw 40,000 with a similar opponent in Cleveland with a better fan base than Bowling Green.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/14/2011 8:39:57 AM

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with a better fan base than Bowling Green.

Um, you do realize that BG was coming off an era of success that doesn't compare to anything Ohio has ever done in FBS? They had every reason to think that they could hang with Wisconsin when the scheduled that game, and they certainly had a lot more national respect than our program has ever garnered. I know you love OU. I do too, but you're not being honest with yourself. Here are the five years leading up to the Wisconsin game in Cleveland for BGSU:

2001 - 8-3, one BCS win
2002 - 9-3, two BCS wins
2003 - 11-3, two BCS wins, a seven point loss in the Horseshoe, a bowl win, and a top 25 finish
2004 - 9-3, bowl win
2005 (post-Urban Meyer decline in full swing) 6-5, but with a close loss at Wisconsin

You'd kill for a five-year run like that at OU... and you're trying to tell me that we magically have more fans, more interest, and more respect than that program at that time?

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/14/2011 10:43:52 AM

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Uncle Wes wrote:

with a better fan base than Bowling Green.

2001 - 8-3, one BCS win
2002 - 9-3, two BCS wins
2003 - 11-3, two BCS wins, a seven point loss in the Horseshoe, a bowl win, and a top 25 finish
2004 - 9-3, bowl win
2005 (post-Urban Meyer decline in full swing) 6-5, but with a close loss at Wisconsin

You'd kill for a five-year run like that at OU... and you're trying to tell me that we magically have more fans, more interest, and more respect than that program at that time?

Despite that success I would guess that we would draw better in Cleveland. This is completely based on perception (and maybe someone can find the numbers), but I would say we have a lot more alumni living in the Cleveland area and a lot more alumni overall than BG. I also think we have a much more loyal alumni base than BG. I've never met anyone that was proud to be a graduate of BG.

Also, if this actually happened I would try my best to make the trip to Cleveland.

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Posted: 11/14/2011 11:53:05 AM

DelBobcat wrote:

You're right. There are a ton of proud alumni in Cleveland. You're also confusing love of our institution with passion for its athletic teams. In 2010, we couldn't sell out a half-curtained off Quicken Loans Arena (a stone's throw from Cleveland Browns Stadium) for a championship game in a sport in which our university has a much longer and prouder history than football. That game featured free admission with a $1 lottery ticket and we played Akron, which is less than 50 miles away and has a great hoops program. But I'm I'm sure alumni will come out in droves to pay $100, plus $10 to park, and $50 in food and drink to take a friend to a football game against some random BCS team.

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RE: BCS Home Games

Posted: 11/14/2011 12:43:00 PM

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DelBobcat wrote:

I understand that people love our institution and generally don't care about the football team. However, I think if you put a quality opponent in front of them people will think "Hey I can feel connected with OU again, watch some quality football, and I can do so without driving four hours to Athens! Great!" There has to be like 40,000 OU alumni living in Greater Cleveland right? Surely a decent proportion would jump at such an opportunity.

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