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Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/10/2011 10:55:35 PM

I know the fact that the students leaving at half time has been widely discussed, but tonight while at work I have been asked multiple times by different students about how the Bobcats have been doing in the game, many of them also bring up that they have been watching on the U. Does it excuse them leaving? No. But just thought it was at least comforting that there is interest in the team.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/10/2011 11:48:00 PM

It's progress!

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 7:34:43 AM

FYI Steve Hays had a letter in The Post yesterday criticizing an alumnus for criticizing students for leaving at 1/2 time.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 7:38:22 AM

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/post-letter-students-shouldn%E2%80%99t-feel-obligated-stay-games

What a DB.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 9:46:58 AM

Ryan Carey wrote:

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/post-letter-students-shouldn%E2%80%99t-feel-obligated-stay-games

What a DB.

Coach Pinkel ran into the same issue when he arrived at Missouri. The solution was winning over time. Patience, this is still Ohio football we are talking about and it has still been a long time since a MAC title. Most students arrived without any passion for OU football. Complaining about those that actually managed to show up at the game seems odd to me. They are already part of the solution, let us concentrate on those still on the outside. It takes time and an event worth their time. There is progress, I can see it.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 9:55:15 AM

I think many of the students leave after the band plays at halftime. They love the band. The band is great. No football game, no band. Dont get me wrong the, the band is an integral part of the whole football gameday experience and not the same without. Who funds the band. Thats not a rhetorical question, i really don't know. My guess is it comes from some sort of money the students pay to attend OU. Thats ok. My point is OU markets the College experience. A time when a student can mature, learn, find out who they are, make some mistakes that they learn from, etc. That includes competitive athletics, leading academic programs such as journalism, engineering, sports management and even stimulating course on classic world religions. After which you may have a beer on court street. Thats why OU is so great in my opinion. They seem to have a great mix of it all. Finally, just to show that we are not that far apart, to some football is a religion to them.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:05:28 AM

Ryan Carey wrote:

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/post-letter-students-shouldn%E2%80%99t-feel-obligated-stay-games

What a DB.

Have to disagree with you Ryan. It's actually a very well written letter. The point that he makes that I find the most interesting is the fact that we should thank the students at OU for subsidizing our entertainment experience.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:13:11 AM

I'm not saying he's a bad guy. But a few things bother me about that letter. First is context: How do other schools, especially our peers (however defined) fund football? And the letter seems a little all knowing, as if Hays has the answer and other opinions are wrong. Also, there's no consideration of whether having a good football team is worth the cost in terms of student/alumni/friend/staff/etc interest.

Does Hays go to games?

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:21:17 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Ryan Carey wrote:

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/post-letter-students-shouldn%E2%80%99t-feel-obligated-stay-games

What a DB.

Have to disagree with you Ryan. It's actually a very well written letter. The point that he makes that I find the most interesting is the fact that we should thank the students at OU for subsidizing our entertainment experience.

In many instances, it's not the students who are funding it, it's the students' parents. And in many of those instances, those parents are alumni who support athletics.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:33:44 AM

The funding problem is certainly worthy of debate, and I think both sides have some valid points. I do think that going purely by attendance or how a student ranks the importance of athletics is a very specious way to make an argument. Athletics, for many (dare I say most?) students, is part of a prototypical American college experience. Most of us on this board agree that athletics are an important point of contact for alumni and a great marketing tool. Most of us also don’t pay nearly as much per year as current students, and it’s not unfair to ask if current students should pay so much. As part of the fabric of any university, however, I see athletics as akin to many other amenities and programs at a university. Did the school really need a new student center that so massive it needs its own ZIP code? Would academics suffer if the performing arts series went away? Does the Marching 110 improve one’s understanding of calculus? Do we need an on-campus art museum? Does the golf course turn a profit? Is paying for the Ping Center fair for kids who hate going to the gym? The debate can be applied to a ton of things. For the record, I’m thrilled my alma mater offers all these things and more. I get that athletics costs a lot (not compared to the new Baker Center), but it’s frustrating that it’s a perpetual punching bag, and that so many people only talk about cost and never factor in value.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:46:53 AM

I think he raises an extremely valid point, in that students pay a fee to ensure that the OU football team can compete at the FBS level, and that based on the level of interest the student body shows in the football team, you can make a very valid argument that they simply don't care what level the team competes at.

In fact, if given the option to save $800 dollars a year even if it meant the football team dropped down to FCS level, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of OU students would opt for the $800 dollars in savings. Look around. The student loan industry is breaking, and universities are going to have to figure out ways to provide educations to students in a more cost efficient way. Throwing in additional fees to fund a poorly supported, financially insolvent football program seems a bit frivolous to me.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:47:56 AM

A) We all paid the exorbitant fees when we were undergrads too so, in my opinion, it all comes full circle so that current students may enjoy an enriching alumni experience after their days in Athens come to an end.

B) Hays is a complete moron if he thinks that students left at halftime out of some form of protest for the high cost of student fees that fund the athletics programs. Everyone, including the students, knows that the REAL reason they left was to participate in a different Blackout on Court Street. I dont want to be a hypocrite because as a student, I rarely went to games and, when I did, I usually left at halftime. However, I was honest about it when I left to go get drunk.

That being said, attendance is far better now than it was just a few years ago when I was in school (during the Knorr era). Whoever said above that this will be a slow process is dead on. In my humble opinion, I don't think OU will be a "big time" program until they get out of the MAC. Again, this might be 10 years from now. These things take time. Us complaining nonstop about student attendance does not help. If anything it makes us sound like bitter alumni who reminisce too much about the "good ol' days" back when we were all in school. That letter symbolizes the collective rolling of eyes that takes place of the general student body when they hear alumni tell them to take the football team more seriously. In the end we cannot guilt them into attending games and staying until the end. The team simply has to continue to get better and the university has to continue to create new marketing tactics (read: the Blackout game) to entice students to come.

Btw, I was surprised to read at the end that Hays is a professor at OU. That letter seems like it was written by a kid in high school.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:48:45 AM

Well, the letter that Steve is responding to only talks about how rude it is to leave at halftime, much like it's rude to get up in the middle of a play or concert. Steve just wanted a soapbox. I'll bet he polled 100 students to reach his conclusion.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 10:56:00 AM

An all or nothing comparison is not realistic. You have to take into account the final outcome of having the fees completely eliminated. If that were to happen, it would affect far more than just the football team, and the team itself would not just drop to FCS.

Besides, the students aren't complaining about the fees, one disgruntled professor is.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:00:05 AM

Just did a bit of sloppy Google research that showed Baker Center cost $60 million, resulting in $180 of new student fees per year. Ping cost $24 million and resulted in $216 in new student fees per year. I don't recall that much outrage over either, but I could be wrong. I was around for Ping and remember some mild complaining, but I wasn't around for Baker. I guess my point is that we could get in an argument over a lot of student fees and where they go and whether they're fair to people who don't feel they benefit. It's like taxes.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:03:08 AM

Three words: A Liberal Education.

Why would attendance at university-sponsored poetry readings and plays be considered in furtherance of "a liberal education" but attendance at university-sponsored athletic events not? Yes, the academic component is more defined in the former, but "a liberal education" is more than academics. I learned more outside of the classroom at Ohio University than I did in the classroom--and that includes my time attending sporting events as well as sitting in the window booths inside the Cat's Eye.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:22:01 AM

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Just did a bit of sloppy Google research that showed Baker Center cost $60 million, resulting in $180 of new student fees per year. Ping cost $24 million and resulted in $216 in new student fees per year. I don't recall that much outrage over either, but I could be wrong. I was around for Ping and remember some mild complaining, but I wasn't around for Baker. I guess my point is that we could get in an argument over a lot of student fees and where they go and whether they're fair to people who don't feel they benefit. It's like taxes.

But his major point is that students use and go to the new Baker Center and Ping. Students don't go to football games.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:22:56 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

In fact, if given the option to save $800 dollars a year even if it meant the football team dropped down to FCS level, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of OU students would opt for the $800 dollars in savings. Look around. The student loan industry is breaking, and universities are going to have to figure out ways to provide educations to students in a more cost efficient way. Throwing in additional fees to fund a poorly supported, financially insolvent football program seems a bit frivolous to me.

Please take a look at the numbers before you start throwing around opinions. Ohio students subsidized roughly 18 million into the athletic budget through student fees. Roughly that is about 850 dollars a student per year for the entire athletic department, with a portion of that going unused and returned to the university. The university spent about 3.0 million in cash to run the football program. The Ohio student then spends 140 a year on football cash expenditures. Do you know how much football it would cost the Ohio student if Ohio made that fantastic move talked about dropping from FBS to FCS? It would cost the Ohio student.....140 dollars a year for FCS football. There is no cost savings moving down to FCS.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:25:47 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Just did a bit of sloppy Google research that showed Baker Center cost $60 million, resulting in $180 of new student fees per year. Ping cost $24 million and resulted in $216 in new student fees per year. I don't recall that much outrage over either, but I could be wrong. I was around for Ping and remember some mild complaining, but I wasn't around for Baker. I guess my point is that we could get in an argument over a lot of student fees and where they go and whether they're fair to people who don't feel they benefit. It's like taxes.

But his major point is that students use and go to the new Baker Center and Ping. Students don't go to football games.

We are averaging 6,000 students a game in football. That is probably better than what Ping or Baker is drawing on a weekly basis.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:35:16 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

But his major point is that students use and go to the new Baker Center and Ping. Students don't go to football games.

For one, that's simply not true. Participation by students in athletic events is higher than it is for any other extracurricular activity. For another, you're glossing over my point. Who's screaming about the waste and horror over two buildings costing $400 a year in fees? The reality is that prospective students -- right or wrong -- EXPECT great facilities and amenities. Ping went up in the midst of a rec center arms race in Ohio; every state school now has something similar. If we didn't have one, the quality of our student population WOULD decline. It may not meet the ideals of academics, but it's the truth. I think killing athletics, which seems to be the dream of some of the scorched earth crowd, would also result in less interest and an overall lower quality student body.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:40:22 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Just did a bit of sloppy Google research that showed Baker Center cost $60 million, resulting in $180 of new student fees per year. Ping cost $24 million and resulted in $216 in new student fees per year. I don't recall that much outrage over either, but I could be wrong. I was around for Ping and remember some mild complaining, but I wasn't around for Baker. I guess my point is that we could get in an argument over a lot of student fees and where they go and whether they're fair to people who don't feel they benefit. It's like taxes.

But his major point is that students use and go to the new Baker Center and Ping. Students don't go to football games.

Which would be completely incorrect... There are obviously a ton of students going to football games now. And I guarantee you that, for whatever reason, there are thousands of students who don't cross paths with Ping or Baker.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 11:46:31 AM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

But his major point is that students use and go to the new Baker Center and Ping. Students don't go to football games.

For one, that's simply not true. Participation by students in athletic events is higher than it is for any other extracurricular activity. For another, you're glossing over my point. Who's screaming about the waste and horror over two buildings costing $400 a year in fees? The reality is that prospective students -- right or wrong -- EXPECT great facilities and amenities. Ping went up in the midst of a rec center arms race in Ohio; every state school now has something similar. If we didn't have one, the quality of our student population WOULD decline. It may not meet the ideals of academics, but it's the truth. I think killing athletics, which seems to be the dream of some of the scorched earth crowd, would also result in less interest and an overall lower quality student body.

Steve Hays needs to take a survey about how many students would like to have a good football team in Athens. The vast majority would love to have a good football team even if they don't go to the games. The scorched earth anti-athletic talk has move from the team not performing well enough to not drawing large enough crowds. When are the crowds large enough to convince even the skeptic that football in Athens is here to stay?

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 12:11:01 PM

Every year, me and around 400 of my alumni brethern congregate in Athens for a parade and a halftime performance. Most of us donate money to the university on an annual basis. And every year, on the following Monday I look at my credit card statement and say, "Yowza! Oh well. Support the Athens economy." Without football, we do not come back.

I doubt an annual classics and world religion conference would draw 400 alums back to Athens. If the university needs to save some money, I can think of one entire department that would most likely not be missed.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 12:12:11 PM

Bottom line steve is a db who wants attention any way he can because the one kid who is majoring in classics and religion is not enough for him. If we are trying to make cuts why not cut that completely useless degree. He takes any chance he can to take a jab at this University.

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RE: Positive Remark about Ohio Students

Posted: 11/11/2011 12:18:41 PM

Not to mention that his letter was inaccurate in saying the "vast majority" goes to football. He acknowledged this in a response to my comment on the letter. If I hadn't commented though, I doubt he would have sent a retraction to his statement.

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