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Topic: Tiebreakers

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Bucho
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Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/4/2011 11:22:12 AM

While drifting off to sleep last night, the following thought occurred to me:

What if Miami loses to Temple and beats Western Mich and Ohio

Bobcats beat Central and BG but loses to Miami, and

Temple wins out.

If I've thought this out correctly, there would be a three way tie for first. How would the winner be decided?

Ted Thompson
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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/4/2011 11:24:12 AM

Assuming BG finishes fourth, Ohio would win the tiebreaker as Temple and Miami have both lost to BG.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/4/2011 11:29:03 AM

Thanks. Personally, I don't want this to happen. I may be in the minority, but I want both Miami and Ohio to win out so that 11/22 is winner take all.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/5/2011 8:42:52 AM

I personally root for whatever team can ruin our competitions' chances of a Division title. I enjoyed watching Kent beat BG last week and would be perfectly fine if we already had the title locked up and beating Miami was icing on the cake. I understand, though, how beating the Redhawks with the East Division at stake would inflict further pain upon Miami's fanbase.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/7/2011 9:16:36 AM

Enlighten me. What is the tiebreaking formula? Two way is easy . . . head-to-head. But what about three-way? I've searched high and low in the new and improved (not) MAC website and cannot find it.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/7/2011 9:25:15 AM

Old Zone wrote:

What is the tiebreaking formula?

Win out. All ties will be broken.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/7/2011 9:49:23 AM

I found this, it was dated 2007 but probably still holds:

http://www.mac-sports.com/News/tabid/969/Article/127434/mac-football-tiebreaker.aspx

Divisional Champions

The divisional championship shall be decided on conference winning percentage. If two or more teams are tied for the championship, they shall be considered divisional co-champions. The following tie-breaking formula shall be used to determine which team will represent that division in the MAC Championship game:

1. Head-to-head competition

a. In the event of a multiple-team (two or more teams) tie, the team with the best head-to-head record amongst the tied teams wins the tie-breaker;

b. In a two-team tie, head-to-head competition will be the first criteria;

c. If two teams did not play, the second criteria is used to break the tie;

2. Record of tied teams within the division [versus rank order, highest to lowest, of division teams]

a. The above tie-breaker procedure is used to determine rank order in the division;

b. Team(s) eliminated in the second tie-breaker criterion are not included in further consideration in the tie- breaking formula;

c. Head-to-head competition is again used to break the tie between the remaining tied teams.

3. Comparison of conference winning percentage of cross-over opponents of tied teams;

a. Tie-breaker is awarded to the team whose cross-division opponents had the best cumulative conference winning percentage;

b. Head-to-head competition is used to break the tie between the two tied teams.

4. If multiple teams remain tied, the final tie-breaker is as follows:

a. Record of tied teams versus cross-division opponents in rank order;

b. Head-to-head competition is used to break the tie between the two tied teams.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/7/2011 1:17:58 PM

There is no way for a tie at 6-2, so for there to be a tie, it has to be at 5-3. So, let's assume for the moment that the Bobcats lose exactly one more.

1. If the loss is to CMU, but Ohio beats BG and Miami, then Ohio would most likely end up tied with the winner of the Miami-Temple game. In either 2-way tie, Ohio would win. BG would be out, but Kent could create a 3-way tie, Ohio-Kent-Miami if they win out, and Miami beats Temple. Ohio wins the 3-way tiebreaker as well. Thus, if Ohio loses to CMU, but wins out, Ohio still is MAC East champ.

2. If Ohio loses to BG, but beats CMU and Miami, the likely tie would be a 2-way tie with Miami/Temple winner, which Ohio wins. BG could also be in the tie, and you could even have a 4-way tie, Ohio-BG-Miami-Kent.
a. 3-way Ohio-Miami-BG - BG wins tiebreaker
b. 3-way Ohio-Temple-BG - BG wins tiebreaker
c. 4-way Ohio-Miami-BG-Kent - Kent and Miami are eliminated, then BG wins tiebreaker
Thus, we want BG to lose to NIU, or we could be rooting for Beefs to upset BG.

3. If Ohio beats CMU and BG, and then loses to Miami, a 6-2 Miami is the champ, so for a tie, Miami would also have to lose to either WMU or Temple.
a. Say Miami lost to Temple, then beats Ohio, you could get a 3-way Miami-Temple-Ohio tie. First tiebreaker is a wash, so you move to the second one. Second tiebreaker also a wash, with all at 4-2 in division. Then you look at teams played from the west, and Ohio is out - it becomes a comparison of Ball State or WMU to decide between Temple and Miami, with Miami winning only if WMU ends with a better record than Ball State.
b. Say Miami beats Temple, but loses to WMU, then beats Ohio. You can have a 2-way tie, which Miami wins, or a three way tie, Kent-Miami-Ohio, which again Miami wins.
c. Note that in obscure possible finishes, you could have Ohio lose to Miami, but Miami lose to both Temple and WMU, you can get a tie between Ohio and Temple, which Ohio wins. You can also, believe it or not, get a tie between Ohio and Kent, which Ohio also wins.

The conclusion of all this madness is that unless Miami loses to both WMU and Temple, Ohio will have to beat Miami for the MAC East championship. Ohio can lose one of the others, and still be the champion, unless the loss is to BG, and BG also beats NIU and Buffalo.

Note - yes- you could have some bizarre finishes with ties at 4-4, but it isn't likely, and I don't even want to go there....

Last Edited: 11/7/2011 1:22:48 PM by L.C.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/8/2011 1:27:46 PM

I don't think you're interpreting the 2nd tiebreaker correctly (though I admit it seems to be written by a lawyer intent on obscurity rather than an English teacher intent on clarity). Here's what I think "2. Record of tied teams within the division [versus rank order, highest to lowest, of division teams]" means, using the three-way tie example in your 3.a. If Ohio, Temple and Miami wind up in a 3-way tie, with Miami beating Ohio (not likely), the head-to-head tiebreaker is a push. The second tiebraker quoted above means, I think, you go to the next team in the standings and see how the three teams did against it. So, for example if BG is 4th, both Temple and Miami lost to them, and if Ohio has won the BG game we go to the championship game.

I like C Money's comment above. Let's just win 'em all.

Last Edited: 11/8/2011 1:29:08 PM by Old Zone

L.C.
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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/8/2011 1:46:32 PM

Hmm, I can see how that might be what they intended, and your interpretations matches what Ted said. That would change only one case, but an important one. The one that would change is the case where Temple beats Miami, and then Miami beats Ohio, after an Ohio win against BG and CMU. Under your interpretation, Ohio wins the tiebreaker in that case. With that change, then it is possible that Ohio could wrap up the East with a win over CMU and BG, combined with a Miami loss to Temple.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/8/2011 7:21:49 PM

"Just win baby." Al Davis

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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/8/2011 11:25:14 PM

How about what the schedule-makers did to BG? They don't face Akron and get Toledo/WMU/NIU from the West.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/9/2011 12:59:26 AM

The loss by BG to NIU takes them out of it, barring a crazy finish with everyone at 4-4. As before, Ohio should just win out, but if they lose one, to end at 5-3, it now looks like:
1. Lose to CMU, but beat BG and Miami - Ohio is MAC East Champ
2. Lose to BG, but beat CMU and Miami - Ohio is MAC East Champ
3. Lose to Miami after beating CMU and BG
a. Miami beats Temple- Miami wins MAC East
b. Miami loses to Temple, Temple beats Kent - Ohio wins MAC East
c. Miami loses to Temple, Temple loses to Kent - Miami wins MAC East

Temple can still win, but needs Ohio to lose 2 more, while they win out. Kent can win it if they win out, and Miami and Ohio both lose 2 more. As before, I'm not even going to think about crazy finishes with everyone at 4-4.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/9/2011 1:41:03 AM

Ohio clearly has the upper hand in this East race with the head-to-head win over Temple. Miami has a tough slate of Temple, WMU and Ohio to get through, three of the top 5 teams in the conference. Miami has to play at Temple and at Ohio. Last year down the stretch Miami had to play BG, Akron and Temple at home. Its going to be a much taller order for Miami to get it done this time around.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/9/2011 11:12:34 AM

D.A. wrote:

"Just win baby." Al Davis

Summarizing this whole thread in three words.

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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/9/2011 12:37:53 PM

L.C. wrote:

Yes . . . provided BG, who we beat remains ahead of Buffalo, who we didn't, in the final standings. And since we have to beat BG for this scenario to work, that will come down to the final game between BG and Buffalo.

So, let's just win 'em all.

Last Edited: 11/9/2011 12:38:36 PM by Old Zone

Andrew Ruck
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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/9/2011 6:43:07 PM

This sure would be a lot easier if we didn't crap the bed at homecoming. Still bitter.

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L.C.
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RE: Tiebreakers

Posted: 11/10/2011 12:44:50 AM

Old Zone wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Correct.

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