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Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,232 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/27/2011 8:50:49 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: We can take of spending money for the Girl's Soccer players next year.... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7156548/ncaa... Based on 400 athletes, that's up to another $800,000 per year.  Not sure where we're going to get that kind of cash. Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,926 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/27/2011 9:41:41 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: We can take of spending money for the Girl's Soccer players next year.... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7156548/ncaa... RIP Mid-Majors.  Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/27/2011 9:42:26 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: We can take of spending money for the Girl's Soccer players next year.... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7156548/ncaa... Based on 400 athletes, that's up to another $800,000 per year.  Not sure where we're going to get that kind of cash. Many athletes in some sports only get partial scholarships, so I'm not sure how this would tie into that, but I'm guessing it's not going to cost a full $2,000 for all 400 players, but maybe per scholarship. By my count, Ohio is limited to somewhere around 230 scholarships. That's still $460,000 a year, and that's a lot of money. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,232 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/27/2011 10:50:07 PM  Not sure how many we offer in each sport but my count comes up with a total of 213.1 that we could offer if we offered the max in every sport. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,473 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/27/2011 11:47:41 PM  "The increase in aid comes in the form of either $2,000 annually or the full cost of attendance, whichever is less. It can only be applied to full scholarships in football and basketball, and to those athletes who receive full scholarships in other sports." [Quoted from Collegefootballtalk.com] AND its going to have to be given to an equal number of male and female athletes, in equal $ amounts. Interesting to see how this plays out. Of greater import, it seems to me, is the change allowing schools to formally issue scholarships (grants) for multiple years, in essence telling a kid "you sign up to play here son, and you're guaranteed a 5-year scholarship, even if you don't turn into a good college athlete". It could be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years, how it affects team's recruiting (and oversigning) practices...it will be especially interesting if the "guarantee" length of a scholarship grant is announced in advance (national signing day?). Also, and I think very good for student-athletes, is the rule change that formally allows schools to offer financial aid to students after they have exhausted their eligibility but before they've finished their degree...(though if you can't finish your degree in 4-5 years...never mind never mind, forget I said anything) Edit: it also occurs to me that schools could start to emphasize differences in cost of living? $2000 will go A LOT further in Athens, or BG, Kent, Huntington, etc. than it would in LA, Miami, Seattle, Philadelphia(?), or especially in NYC or Washington DC (those last two are obviously more relevant to Basketball than Football) Last Edited: 10/27/2011 11:50:03 PM by mf279801 Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 12:24:27 AM  $2,000 will go MUCH further in Athens than it would here. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,645 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 1:30:25 AM  Quote: That's still $460,000 a year, and that's a lot of money. Roughly $11 per student, per semester. I'm betting that happens before drop down to FCS. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,232 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 8:47:23 AM  Mike Coleman wrote: Quote: That's still $460,000 a year, and that's a lot of money. Roughly $11 per student, per semester. I'm betting that happens before drop down to FCS. Are you saying that the money will come from additional fees Mike? The other part of this which no one has addressed is that if the NCAA thinks that with 2000 extra dollars there still won't be Tattoogates and Camgates, etc., they're naive. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,660 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 9:30:43 AM  Taking baby steps away from amateur sport. This is an NCAA regulation. There is nothing to say Ohio (or anybody else) has to institute it. The MAC as a whole could even decide to prohibit the additional stipend. It will make recruiting an even bigger, but now within rules, bidding process. And IMHO, almost all of college sports problems at this point in time begin with recruiting. This will make it worse.   I submit that it is not a great leap to change the words "multiple year scholarship offer" to "contract negotiation" and "scholarship limits" to "salary cap." And at this point, college athletics is officially a professional league not only in practice but in definition. It won't be long until some departments have assistant directors of football operations to provide contract negotiating and salary cap planning. The only thing I like about this is that the comparision to European soccer league structure becomes official. Which allows me to compare Temple to Wigan. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 10:00:20 AM  mf279801 wrote: Of greater import, it seems to me, is the change allowing schools to formally issue scholarships (grants) for multiple years, in essence telling a kid "you sign up to play here son, and you're guaranteed a 5-year scholarship, even if you don't turn into a good college athlete". It could be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years, how it affects team's recruiting (and oversigning) practices...it will be especially interesting if the "guarantee" length of a scholarship grant is announced in advance (national signing day?). You think this could be an advantage to smaller schools? Maybe some 3-star type recruits might only be offered a one-year guarantee at a large school while a smaller school might be willing to offer a full five years? Of course, it could work similarly with 2-star type recruits who might only get one-year scholarhsip guarantees from a school like Ohio, while maybe Akron or an FCS school might offer the full five years? I don't know for sure, but my guess is most players probably will get full five-year offers, but it will be interesting to see how that part of it plays out. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 11:20:53 AM  I also believe in all the probable negative fallout from this and I lose more respect for the NCAA with each passing day.  The hands on the amatuer collegiate doomsday clock just went to 11:59:00 That said, in the interests of maintaining a facade of "fairness" for the smaller schools, can a member school choose to apply it at the individual level rather than the sport level?  Assuming we have 1 superstar QB that we want to ante up the $2K for and we give the same amount to a superstar volleyball player, does that pass the guidelines? Back to Top Catdude General User Member Since: 12/27/2004 Post Count: 156 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 12:15:42 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: We can take of spending money for the Girl's Soccer players next year.... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7156548/ncaa... Based on 400 athletes, that's up to another $800,000 per year.  Not sure where we're going to get that kind of cash. Many athletes in some sports only get partial scholarships, so I'm not sure how this would tie into that, but I'm guessing it's not going to cost a full $2,000 for all 400 players, but maybe per scholarship. By my count, Ohio is limited to somewhere around 230 scholarships. That's still $460,000 a year, and that's a lot of money. Giving the $ only to full scholarship athletes would be really unfair,,,, A kid on a partial puts in the same amount of time, and sometimes more time in hope of getting more aid,  as a full ride kid and thus having even less time to earn some money for expenses. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: If we all chip in $2,000    Posted: 10/28/2011 1:01:17 PM  Old_Bobcat wrote: UpSan Bobcat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: We can take of spending money for the Girl's Soccer players next year.... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7156548/ncaa... Based on 400 athletes, that's up to another $800,000 per year.  Not sure where we're going to get that kind of cash. Many athletes in some sports only get partial scholarships, so I'm not sure how this would tie into that, but I'm guessing it's not going to cost a full $2,000 for all 400 players, but maybe per scholarship. By my count, Ohio is limited to somewhere around 230 scholarships. That's still $460,000 a year, and that's a lot of money. Giving the $ only to full scholarship athletes would be really unfair,,,, A kid on a partial puts in the same amount of time, and sometimes more time in hope of getting more aid,  as a full ride kid and thus having even less time to earn some money for expenses. I would think they would still get a portion of the $2,000. Whatever the grand value of the full scholarship is, which is now going to be $2,000 more, I would think they get the same proportion as before. So someone on a half scholarship now would be getting an extra $1,000. 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