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Alan Swank
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Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/17/2011 1:28:10 PM

Moderators - why were all of the posts on the indoor practice facility deleted?

Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 9:22:01 AM

Talked to Jeff McKinney about this at the tailgate yesterday and he had no clue. Word on the street is that you guys were asked to take this down. Any truth to that? The ironic thing is that those on the committee haven't seen in artists or architects renditions. Care to shed some light on this mystery?

Ryan Carey
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 9:35:14 AM

Yes. I deleted it at the department's request.

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catfan28
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 10:00:56 AM

Not faulting you, Ryan, but things like that bother me a bit. We're talking about an indoor practice facility here...not national security. If there are drawings out there, that many have seen, there is no reason they can't be on a sports message board. What are they trying to hide? What could you possibly gain from trying to keep 2 abstract drawings "under wraps"? It's a public university. If someone really wanted to see it, they could just do a records request anyway. IMO, our department should be much more open and transparent. Just one old guy's opinion!

Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 10:49:35 AM

BobcatBigFish wrote:

Exactly. In fact there's an editorial on this very subject in today's Dispatch. If AD's want us to support their efforts, they need to gain our trust first. Pulling this down at their request does nothing to build that trust.

Glad I printed out the thread and thus the drawing. Come on guys, show some spine here.

As a point of reference, this is what Akron has. It includes a regulation indoor track. I'd be shocked if ours does because that and other recommendations would raise the cost to $16 million.

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Last Edited: 9/18/2011 12:20:00 PM by Alan Swank

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 1:29:55 PM

The thread simply needs to be put back up.

No need for a discussion of constitutional rights or common sense or integrity or national security.

It simply needs to be restored.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 1:42:49 PM

Why take down something that can be obtained by anyone in the world via a 1-2 sentence public records request to OU legal affairs?

Strange.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 1:49:57 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Why take down something that can be obtained by anyone in the world via a 1-2 sentence public records request to OU legal affairs?

Strange.

There's also the old addage that once something is on the Internet, it's there forever. 20 seconds on google brought me the renderings back.

Panda
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 1:53:50 PM

In my opinion someone with knowledge from the committee let out the info. that was not to be released until late Sept.. I think that everyone is getting ahead of the game as there are no definitive plans only ideas. Everything will depend upon the $$ collected in the next few months. I would hope that 4 mil can be obtained so that the facility can get on line.

Panda

Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:03:59 PM

Panda wrote:

Here's another thought. Perhaps they don't have enough money to build it per the committee's recommendations and once folks find out what won't be included, it may be that much more difficult to raise the money.

Regardless, when did the folks in the Convo control this message board? I bet Monroe is on a plane now for Athens to address this.

Ryan Carey
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:11:05 PM

Jesus, give it a rest. Some of us don't make it a primary personal goal to piss off and challenge everything the Ohio University Athletic Department does.

They asked us to take it down, they have their reasons.

File the damn request to get the blurry mockups which showed absolutly no detail on what the building would even entail if it means so much to you people. The thread had already made it to page 4 and hardly had any activity on it anyways.

As always, some of you just love to stick your nose into something to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Good Lord.

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Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:19:00 PM

Ryan Carey wrote:

I think we've hit a nerve. Care to share with us those reasons? And, are we to assume, that going forward all posts on this board are subject to prior review from the Convo?

Last Edited: 9/18/2011 2:33:20 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:21:02 PM

My guess is that there is an enormous amount of tip-toeing having to be done by all of the parties that working so hard to get this done - just so that Alan & the rest of the football haters will be 'heard'. Pretty sad IMO.

Alan, there's an obvious hidden agenda in your asking about this. Whether it be a track, or your non-inclusion of something you feel you should have been asked about, or both, it would be nice to know.

Can't wait to hear Swank's 17,000 attendance estimate for last night's game.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:28:01 PM

Give it a rest, the Athletic Department wants the post taken down. I will give them the right on this one, but understand the fact that this could be a slippery slope, so I am cautious.

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Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:32:54 PM

i would have bet the farm that you would be chiming in Ben. No hidden agenda at all. Here's how it went down:

Someone posted a rendering which I printed out and showed to a committee member who was a bit dismayed because they had never seen it before. We had a conversation and what I was told that after visiting several sites the committee's recommendation was for a facility much like Akron's which includes a regulation indoor track. We do have a women's track team that could benefit from that facility both in terms of training and recruitment. The problem is that this facility would cost $16,000,000 which means an additional $6,000,000 would have to be raised which could be tough in these economic times.

And Ben, I don't do attendance any longer. Suffice it to say that there were more folks there last night than last week but less than the Pitt game.

Last Edited: 9/18/2011 2:35:29 PM by Alan Swank

TWT
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:44:27 PM

How important though is Women's Track in the grand scheme of Ohio Athletics? The campus doesn't have the room for the wider facility.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 2:48:23 PM

You will bet I will chime in. As someone who knows you don't have the best interest of OU sports in mind when you operate here, I will be around. :)

Thanks for bringing your agenda to the forefront, it makes a lot more sense now.

Alan Swank
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 3:20:29 PM

mcbin wrote:

Sorry you feel that way Ben because it's not true. But if you want to keep believing that and publicly claiming it to be true, it's something I'll just have to live with. I've certainly been called worse things before.

As for the indoor facility, I personally would like it to be a facility that all on campus could benefit from not just a select few. If you feel that that is wrong, which I don't believe that deep down inside you do, I'm sorry.

That said, glad to have you back as an active poster.

catfan28
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 8:18:23 PM

I'm far from a "football hater", but it does bother me that the AD would have the audacity to want this taken down.

Somewhere along the way an electronic copy of the renderings was made and disseminated. When this occurred, the pictures are in the public theater. The AD has no right to call foul if they get on a message board...THEY disseminated the pictures in the first place!!

In the age of the internet, there's really no such thing as a secret anymore. ESPECIALLY at a public university. The pictures were released and found their way online...so what? There is no good reason why they should want the pictures taken down. Again, we're talking sports here, not life and death.

Ryan Carey
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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 8:44:07 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

I think we've hit a nerve. Care to share with us those reasons? And, are we to assume, that going forward all posts on this board are subject to prior review from the Convo?

I honestly don't have any idea of what their reasons might be since they were not shared with me. I suspect Panda's thoughts are probably close.

Just as we have done in the past, if the athletic department makes a request of us, I have no problem honoring their request as a fan who wants the best for Ohio athletics.

Just because I don't get my rocks off by sticking my finger in the eye of the Ohio University athletics department, doesn't mean I have no spine. As Ben said, you clearly are pushing an agenda here, as usual. If I'm accused of pushing the company line, so be it. I have no problem being labeled a fan of Ohio University.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 8:45:31 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

As for the indoor facility, I personally would like it to be a facility that all on campus could benefit from not just a select few. If you feel that that is wrong, which I don't believe that deep down inside you do, I'm sorry.

What the hell do you call the Ping Center? How many Rec centers and climbing walls does the general population need?

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 8:53:42 PM

How many bobcatattackers have ever been an editor?

Editing requires making judgments.

Few judgments fail to spark controversy.

Thick skins are advisable.

So is confidence in one's judgments.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 8:57:27 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

What the hell do you call the Ping Center? How many Rec centers and climbing walls does the general population need?

This +1. Why would the general student population need to use an indoor football field? As long as we have a full football field and an area for batting cages for baseball/softball etc. we should be fine.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 11:22:24 PM

So, Ryan, do you double dog swear that the "tragic data loss" wasn't you honoring an Athletics Department request to cleanse the board of a near-decade's worth of intelligent discussions about ethical and legal lapses by athletes, coaches and administrators?

I mean, I don't know much about doing IT work, but my understanding is that backing everything up to a point of protective redundancy would be standard practice. I do know a fair amount about content provision, and my instincts tell me that restoring data to retain archival content on a popular message board about a public institution would be a high priority under normal conditions.

Now we find out that there is a precedent (or antecedent) for the administration asking for and receiving selective scrubbings of Bobcatattack.

Judging from the fact that your drawers are in a bunch about this, and that you evidently define college sports fandom as maintaining an agreeable posture for the department, I think my question about the data loss is sensible.

You do realize that correspondence from the Athletics Department to the mullahs could also fall under public records laws, don't you? This isn't Xavier or Vanderbilt.

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RE: Indoor practice facility

Posted: 9/18/2011 11:56:26 PM

OMG. That response isn't real, right?

I had a nice little sarcastic response typed up, even worked in a Dr. Claw reference to self destructing documents, but I'll just leave it with "wow" and let others decide for themselves as to the level of lunacy your post contains.

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