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Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/2/2011 9:44:06 PM

Randy Edsall, the UConn coach, has taken the opening at Maryland. He DIDN'T fly back with the UConn team from their bowl loss, so this was obviously in the cards as he coached yesterday against the Sooners. The never ending journey into the NEXT LEVEL marches on.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 1:09:08 AM

I remember watching Ohio play UConn up in Storrs back in 2002. One thing I've always said about UConn is that it will be awfully hard to recruit to such a remote campus in a state with few FBS level recruits. As a Big East program they'll be able to recruit enough talent to occassionally win the conference and not much else. Maryland is willing to tripple Edsall's salary and a chance to win a more prestigous conference.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 8:39:42 AM

What was the rush? He doesn't fly back with the team? He ends up on a conference call with a few Uconn players and tells them via phone? Also reports are that he was negotiating with Maryland last week.

And, reports are that he made Uconn RB tell the team after the game that he was going pro. Then he skipped out on the team without telling them he was leaving for Maryland.

He couldn't finish all this Sunday night in CT and Monday in Maryland.?

Good grief. What's wrong with these people?

The NCAA cesspool continues.

Last Edited: 1/3/2011 8:44:33 AM by Ohio69

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 9:02:07 AM

How is this an NCAA issue? This is an institutional issue, and an issue across the board at schools all over the country fueled by the fact that these sports are truly a 24/7/365 endevor.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 11:58:10 AM

How is this not an NCAA issue? They make the rules for the most part.

Not that they enforce them in any even-handed, moral way.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 12:09:02 PM

The NCAA does not make rules regarding personnel and the proper ettiquette to leave a job, no more so than the SEC regulates how you can quit in the financial industry. The NCAA regulates the rules to competition and the recuirtment and benefits of Student-Athletes.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 12:27:29 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

The NCAA can and should strongly influence how these coaches and universities handle these situations.

I don't need a rule. How about some leadership? Tell them how they should handle it. And publicly chastise and embarass them when they act like Randy Edsell just did.

You can do a lot of good with a bully pulpit.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 12:48:02 PM

O69...I think you are going back to the good old days wheen Coaches had SOME morals and ethics in the way they acted. Nowadays, I'd be willing to say the vast majority of BCS/D1 coaches have LITTLE to NONE of either.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 1:42:44 PM

Labor laws and free trade would be pretty good reasons why this will not happen, and let's be honest, coaches do not want it to happen.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 7:34:49 PM

Doesn't the NFL have requirements in this area? For instance, I don't think a team can at this time interview a coach whose team is in the playoffs. If the NFL can enforce this I don't see why the NCAA can't. They would just have to pass a rule that all FBS schools must put appropriate language in their contracts. Right, flomo or Pataskala?

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 7:47:52 PM

It seems funny to me that Edsall is taking this much heat here compared to others like Brian Kelly last season and others like Haywood who moved on very early in their tenure, and with a major game still to be played. Leaving before your school's season has finished is something I detest, and I've said that before, but Edsall was Connecticut's head coach for 13 seasons, leading the program from I-AA to a BCS conference and a BCS bowl, and at least coached the bowl. He definitely left the program in a much better place. Do I think he should've waited until the game was over to make a deal? Yes, but the problem is the institutions' desire to fill those vacancies quickly means if you aren't up for a conversation, they'll find somebody who is.

Last Edited: 1/3/2011 7:48:50 PM by anorris

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 8:05:52 PM

Totally different game OCF, there is no recuriting and signing deadlines in the NFL. Scouting departments and personell directors are still working, regardless of who the coach is.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 8:24:07 PM

With all due deference, JCW, I'll wait to hear from one of our online lawyers to find out whether or not such a proposal would likely pass judicial muster.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 8:29:31 PM

Anorris -- I'm frustrated by how he left, not that he left. Most of my Connecticut based buddies feel the same.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 8:34:40 PM

You need a lawyer to tell you the NFL and college football are different animals?

I will start with the basic fact that NFL teams are franchises of the NFL, while college teams belong to a voluntary organization that is run by it's membership.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 10:27:53 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Totally different game OCF, there is no recuriting and signing deadlines in the NFL. Scouting departments and personell directors are still working, regardless of who the coach is.

The NCAA should stay out of it. Remember, these aren't playoffs, so except for one game there's no championship involved; no tampering to worry about. And you don't have to worry about the coaches in that one game moving on. There's little evidence that having a coach hired away at bowl time is a real problem. NIU had Kill lured away before the Boise bowl, and they did pretty well without him. UConn didn't really belong in a BSC bowl and would've been hammered whether or not Edsall had been talking to Maryland. Fiami should do just fine without Haywood vs. MTSU. Who's coaching doesn't make much difference in the NFL because the pay's the same no matter who's there. It makes a difference at the college level, especially for parents -- they want to know who they're entrusting their son's development to.

Last Edited: 1/3/2011 10:47:06 PM by Pataskala

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 10:42:13 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Anorris -- I'm frustrated by how he left, not that he left. Most of my Connecticut based buddies feel the same.

Fair enough -- and I'm not saying you shouldn't be, all I'm saying is it seems he at least stuck around for the game, which many coaches can't be bothered to do anymore. I agree a week later would've made a world of difference in the reception of his decision, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have been passed over had he waited.

It is a tough thing -- I agree with those who think a coach should finish the season, then look for a job, but the other schools simply won't wait to search for their next coach. The NCAA can't do anything about it, really (John is spot on when he mentions restraint of trade, etc.).

The only folks who could do something would be the institutions, on their own, writing penalty clauses into contracts if a coach leaves prior to a bowl game (the official "end" of a season). This opens another whole can of worms, as likely higher-money schools would just add that penalty to their buyout amounts and grab them up anyhow. Plus, if a school utilized such a clause in their contracts, then hired someone away before that school's bowl, they don't end up looking good. It is a messy situation, for sure.

Maybe I'm just biased, cuz I really like Edsall.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 10:51:13 PM

I really like Edsall, too. On that we can agree. When he brought his team to Peden I was very impressed with their sportsmanship -- no cheap shots, no hot-dogging, etc. To me that's a sign of a coach who has his priorities straight. I've watched several of their games on TV since their visit here and only very infrequently have I seen even a slightly questionable action from a sportsmanship perspective.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/3/2011 11:07:43 PM

Bill Stewart's biggest win as a HC came as a the result of a Bowl Game promotion. And WVU, locked Rich Rod down with a hefty bye-out, which was paid by a wealthy donor of Michigan! Who ironically is probably being asked again to pony up. This brings us back to these donor clubs, do you realize that your unrestricted gifts can be used to buy a coach out?

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/4/2011 10:41:45 AM

On a side note, UConn did very poorly with ticket sales to the Fiesta Bowl with only 4,000 sold losing 2.5 million in the process. That could be part of the reason Edsall decided to leave to a bigger conference. The BCS system is a complete mess with some conferences earning automatic bids for their schools while others can't get their teams placed with top 10 rankings. The way it should work is that a conference champion has to be ranked in the top 16 to earn a BCS bowl ensuring sufficient excitement from the fanbase. That is why TCU and Boise State are drawing so well to their BCS games they are ranked so high up there and consistently in the top 25 for a number of years.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/4/2011 11:14:03 AM

Really the BCS is not much different than the Bowl System of old, and in some ways better for teams. In those days UConn would have been in the Orange Bowl and not belonged and gotten drilled by a Big12 team. TCU would have been in the Cotton Bowl with no chance of smelling the Roses, and Boise would have been at home playing on the blue turf, while we would have sat at home. The money is more today, however based on inflation and increased revenues not really.

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RE: Edsall to Maryland

Posted: 1/4/2011 12:30:29 PM

Wes wrote:

On a side note, UConn did very poorly with ticket sales to the Fiesta Bowl with only 4,000 sold losing 2.5 million in the process.

Well, that story is 2 weeks before the bowl and speculative. And, folks are saying Edsell left reasons like for salary for him, salary for assistants, didn't like A.D., Uconn increased admission standards and he started losing recruits, and etc.

Also, not sure why people care whether teams "make money" on the bowls or athletics in general. That's not the point. Obviously.

All that said, why do the conferences put up with all these demands from the bowls? Bizarre.

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