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  Message Not Read  MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/18/2021 2:18:12 PM 
MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game


The following is a statement from Mid-American Conference Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher

At the end of last night’s NIU vs. Coastal Carolina football game in Orlando, a series of errors by the on-field officials and the replay official denied NIU the opportunity to run one more play. Following the reception along the sideline, the play should have been stopped for a review. Also, the clock was not managed appropriately on what should have been the final play as the center judge should have been allowed to clear the center before the referee wound the clock. This should not have occurred and the egregious errors around a potential game-changing situation is both unfortunate and unacceptable.

Congratulations to the student-athletes and coaches at NIU and Coastal Carolina for tremendous seasons and a hard-fought bowl game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/19/2021 1:44:49 PM 
Too bad the MAC office is just mad and has no basis for complaint. The result of the play was a first down, which under 2:00 in the 2nd half will stop the ball until the snap. The runner fumbled forward OOB. The forward fumble OOB makes the game clock begin on the ready. Unfortunate, but that is the timing rule in college football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/19/2021 10:10:23 PM 
Spoiler Alert - no one really cares if there was (or wasn't) a referee mistake (that did not directly take points of the board) in the something bowl played on some day a week or something before Christmas.

Last Edited: 12/19/2021 10:13:11 PM by cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 10:14:55 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
Spoiler Alert - no one really cares if there was (or wasn't) a referee mistake (that did not directly take points of the board) in the something bowl played on some day a week or something before Christmas.


Imagine if the 'cats had been screwed by the refs in the Potato Bowl in 2012. We would be still talking about it today--just like that faux safety against Buffalo. The correct statement is, almost no one really cares...
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 10:25:56 AM 
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 10:30:12 AM 
BryanHall wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
Spoiler Alert - no one really cares if there was (or wasn't) a referee mistake (that did not directly take points of the board) in the something bowl played on some day a week or something before Christmas.


Imagine if the 'cats had been screwed by the refs in the Potato Bowl in 2012. We would be still talking about it today--just like that faux safety against Buffalo. The correct statement is, almost no one really cares...


Yup - there are maybe 32 posters on HuskieAtack.com that really care - so you are correct "almost no one..."
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 12:19:33 PM 
If some of you only care about things based on how many other people care about things then try working on your own disorder and not spending time on a message board telling the participants how unimportant their favorite team or conference or bowl game is. Go be buckeyes if you just want to fit in with the crowd.

Just a warning that being a total dick won't help you stand out there.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 12:43:42 PM 
ohhh mic drop and totally off point to my post - acknowledge core fans care about their bowl - beyond that.... How bout that Jimmy Kimmel Bowl

Last Edited: 12/20/2021 12:45:53 PM by cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 12:45:34 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
ohhh mic drop and totally off point to my post


Actually, I think most people took you post to that point.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 12:48:07 PM 
My desired point was with bowls only the teams core fans and a smattering of others really care. 99% of college football fans have no idea who played in, or won the NIU game or most other bowls. Sorry for all the confusion folks - didn't mean to be a "dick"

Last Edited: 12/20/2021 12:49:31 PM by cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 2:04:41 PM 
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).



My memory could be off, but we weren’t losing by 3 touchdowns when f’Ing McCabe hosed us with that call. Not unreasonable at all for the fight to go completely out of a team when the official is just going to start blatantly awarding points to one team, when it looks like the fix is in, etc. i was at that game, and i remember shouting quite loudly* that if that was how the refs were going to call the game, we should have stopped play right then and walked out.

(*To be clear, i was sitting in the last row of the top deck, no one of any consequence could hear me, and they wouldn’t have had any reason to listen to a random guy in any case)
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 3:49:22 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).



My memory could be off, but we weren’t losing by 3 touchdowns when f’Ing McCabe hosed us with that call. Not unreasonable at all for the fight to go completely out of a team when the official is just going to start blatantly awarding points to one team, when it looks like the fix is in, etc. i was at that game, and i remember shouting quite loudly* that if that was how the refs were going to call the game, we should have stopped play right then and walked out.

(*To be clear, i was sitting in the last row of the top deck, no one of any consequence could hear me, and they wouldn’t have had any reason to listen to a random guy in any case)


I remember Buffalo's Coach comment on the officiating something along the lines of kick them while they are down and what not. Buffalo's Coach might have just been feeling sorry for us.

In case anyone wanted to know my location, well I really don't remember, but I would speculate that my location was somewhere in the United States.

Not related to the officials (Don't think), but this will probably be the last thing going through my mind on my deathbed before my soul descends down to Hell.

------Northern Illinois tied the record for their largest comeback in the school's history, coming back from down 20-0 to win 23-20 on the game's final play to win their second MAC championship of all time.------

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 5:17:58 PM 
If it had been during the regular season or a championship game, the officiating crew would've been reprimanded and maybe docked some pay or told to stay home for a week or two. But a CUSA crew officiating a game between a MAC team and a Sun Belt team? They'll get their bonus check and go about their business.

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 6:10:39 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).



My memory could be off, but we weren’t losing by 3 touchdowns when f’Ing McCabe hosed us with that call. Not unreasonable at all for the fight to go completely out of a team when the official is just going to start blatantly awarding points to one team, when it looks like the fix is in, etc. i was at that game, and i remember shouting quite loudly* that if that was how the refs were going to call the game, we should have stopped play right then and walked out.

(*To be clear, i was sitting in the last row of the top deck, no one of any consequence could hear me, and they wouldn’t have had any reason to listen to a random guy in any case)


Sitting in the last row of the top deck at Buffalo is certainly a choice.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/20/2021 9:05:39 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
If it had been during the regular season or a championship game, the officiating crew would've been reprimanded and maybe docked some pay or told to stay home for a week or two. But a CUSA crew officiating a game between a MAC team and a Sun Belt team? They'll get their bonus check and go about their business.


Had this happened to a top tier SEC school, Greg Sankey would have made sure the officiaiting crew would have spent next year doing high school JV games deep in the Louisiana Bayou. As it stands now, no one seems to care; a sad metaphor for where the MAC stands in the eyes of the college football powers that be.
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   Posted: 12/20/2021 10:12:08 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).



My memory could be off, but we weren’t losing by 3 touchdowns when f’Ing McCabe hosed us with that call. Not unreasonable at all for the fight to go completely out of a team when the official is just going to start blatantly awarding points to one team, when it looks like the fix is in, etc. i was at that game, and i remember shouting quite loudly* that if that was how the refs were going to call the game, we should have stopped play right then and walked out.

(*To be clear, i was sitting in the last row of the top deck, no one of any consequence could hear me, and they wouldn’t have had any reason to listen to a random guy in any case)


Sitting in the last row of the top deck at Buffalo is certainly a choice.


Gave me a great view of the field and the section virtually to myself. I’d much prefer that to having sat and watched the game with UB students (the section my ticket said i should have been in)
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/21/2021 3:07:39 PM 
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).


With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247


Perhaps BTC can answer this question. This play could not be corrected at the time, even though it was clearly wrong, because where the ball was to be spotted was not reviewable. Have any changes been made to the rules to allow a way to prevent something like this from happening again?

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/21/2021 7:00:19 PM 
L.C. wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).


With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247


Perhaps BTC can answer this question. This play could not be corrected at the time, even though it was clearly wrong, because where the ball was to be spotted was not reviewable. Have any changes been made to the rules to allow a way to prevent something like this from happening again?


Don’t forget the safety wasn’t the only blown call in that game. The leagues apology also included an incorrectly called fumble that Buffalo turned into a TD.

As for the call in the NIU bowl game, one of the former refs on twitter (Terry Macaulay I believe) commented on the play. His opinion was the NIU receiver did not complete the process of the catch when going to the ground on 4th down and should have been reversed on review. He then conceded the referee started the clock while the other official was still running in to spot the ball. So both were wrong, but didn’t change the outcome 🤷‍♂️


Edit: Found the Twitter links

His review of the play: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472193486103449602?s=21
His comments on the press release: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472264809651621890?s=21

Last Edited: 12/21/2021 7:08:06 PM by Eagle66
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/21/2021 7:35:09 PM 
Eagle66 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).


With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247


Perhaps BTC can answer this question. This play could not be corrected at the time, even though it was clearly wrong, because where the ball was to be spotted was not reviewable. Have any changes been made to the rules to allow a way to prevent something like this from happening again?


Don’t forget the safety wasn’t the only blown call in that game. The leagues apology also included an incorrectly called fumble that Buffalo turned into a TD.

As for the call in the NIU bowl game, one of the former refs on twitter (Terry Macaulay I believe) commented on the play. His opinion was the NIU receiver did not complete the process of the catch when going to the ground on 4th down and should have been reversed on review. He then conceded the referee started the clock while the other official was still running in to spot the ball. So both were wrong, but didn’t change the outcome 🤷‍♂️


Edit: Found the Twitter links

His review of the play: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472193486103449602?s=21
His comments on the press release: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472264809651621890?s=21


As I recall the fumble TD might have been more insane because they could have reviewed it and somehow missed multiple issues. I am sure my memory is bad bit if I recall our reciever caught it as he was sliding to the ground and it was called a catch and a fumble somehow, Then their player scooped it with his knee down and then stepped out on his first or second step of a fumble return. I'm sure that isn't exactly right as it was 8 or 9 years ago but...

But that wasn't all. Before any of that happened my brother had called me from Louisiana in the first quarter complaining about how many bad calls there had already been. They were just not historically bad calls that end up on lists of the worst officiating calls of all time. I remember him saying there had been numerous bad calls and more of them had been in our favor to which I agreed. Then while we were on the phone Ohio went on a drive that was kept alive by 3 or 4 bad calls against Buffalo before we turned it over. I remember a phamtom PI and Tettleton scrambling and jogging toward the sideline like don't him me because I'm going out of bounds in 4 or 5 yards and then getting hit to save those 4 or 5 yards and the defense getting flagged. I wish a video full video of this game exsited because it had to have been one of the absolute worst called games that there ever was in 1A/FBS. An insane number of bad calls along with two that I think were historically bad calls. Didn't the MAC suspend that whole crew for the rest of the season or something like that?
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/21/2021 10:02:52 PM 
Quote:

With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247



Dammit, you made me watch it again. I was sitting right near that goal line and thought I must have had too much tailgate. Couldn't believe what I thought I saw. I do believe we were still in the game at the time.
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   Posted: 12/21/2021 10:46:40 PM 
Old Zone wrote:
Quote:

With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247



Dammit, you made me watch it again. I was sitting right near that goal line and thought I must have had too much tailgate. Couldn't believe what I thought I saw. I do believe we were still in the game at the time.


It seemed to let the air out of our guys. The game went from 7-3 to 23-3 in about ten minutes.

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Statement Regrading End Of NIU vs. Coastal Carolina Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/22/2021 8:27:50 AM 
L.C. wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).


With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247


Perhaps BTC can answer this question. This play could not be corrected at the time, even though it was clearly wrong, because where the ball was to be spotted was not reviewable. Have any changes been made to the rules to allow a way to prevent something like this from happening again?


Yes, that play is now (the next year) reviewable. Reviewable now on two different points of the rules.
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   Posted: 12/22/2021 8:31:58 AM 
Eagle66 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
SBH wrote:
Although the faux safety call had zero impact on the outcome. We lost by 3 touchdowns (maybe more).


With or without an impact on the game, it was a uniquely bad, and outrageously obvious error. As such, the play stands on its own merit, over and above any effect it had on the specific game. For example, you'll find it at 4:06 of this video, "The Worst Calls in College Football History"

https://youtu.be/O-T1a34vatc?t=247


Perhaps BTC can answer this question. This play could not be corrected at the time, even though it was clearly wrong, because where the ball was to be spotted was not reviewable. Have any changes been made to the rules to allow a way to prevent something like this from happening again?


Don’t forget the safety wasn’t the only blown call in that game. The leagues apology also included an incorrectly called fumble that Buffalo turned into a TD.

As for the call in the NIU bowl game, one of the former refs on twitter (Terry Macaulay I believe) commented on the play. His opinion was the NIU receiver did not complete the process of the catch when going to the ground on 4th down and should have been reversed on review. He then conceded the referee started the clock while the other official was still running in to spot the ball. So both were wrong, but didn’t change the outcome 🤷‍♂️


Edit: Found the Twitter links

His review of the play: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472193486103449602?s=21
His comments on the press release: https://twitter.com/snfrules/status/1472264809651621890?s=21


I personally would agree with incomplete pass, either way though in college the game would be over. Terry is thinking NFL timing rules, which would stop the clock. NCAA rules, a forward fumble gets the clock moving on the ready. But I fully agree with his 2nd statement, that pass was incomplete and game over and the MAC commissioner is being a Homer for his league. Now, how, why replay did not review the catch is a question I have.

Last Edited: 12/22/2021 8:34:15 AM by BillyTheCat
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