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SBH
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   Posted: 9/22/2021 5:40:05 PM 
The athletic department's twitter feed is promoting a podcast interview featuring Julie Cromer. This is the fourth or fifth time I've seen/heard her interviewed or participate in a panel discussion. Unfortunately, I've come to believe that she's primarily an NCAA policy wonk - constant talk about "power brokers" and policymaking. No talk about the importance of engaging with fans or holding oneself accountable for operational excellence. In fact, she mentioned the great energy and sense of relief that came with our football home opener, skipping, of course, the failure to adequately plan for a large crowd.

Maybe if she sat on fewer NCAA committees, she could be more visible to her constituents and respond to, or even acknowledge receipt of, their emails. I was pretty hopeful when she started; much less so now.

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   Posted: 9/22/2021 6:05:29 PM 
I think I'm with you now as well. Myself and several baseball alumni offered thoughts on new baseball hire...crickets. Add the home football disaster and Albin.

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   Posted: 9/22/2021 7:57:52 PM 
She's so incredibly over her skis with this job. Been one clusterf**k after another and she never pops her head up to acknowledge it or be accountable.

God help us if Boals wins hoop title and makes NCAAs ... he'll most likely be gone and she'll be hiring a basketball coach. Yikes! I just threw up in my mouth thinking about that. Who does she hire? Jaaron Simmons for $800k/yr after his stellar TBT showing?
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   Posted: 9/22/2021 8:10:01 PM 
SBH wrote:
The athletic department's twitter feed is promoting a podcast interview featuring Julie Cromer. This is the fourth or fifth time I've seen/heard her interviewed or participate in a panel discussion. Unfortunately, I've come to believe that she's primarily an NCAA policy wonk - constant talk about "power brokers" and policymaking. No talk about the importance of engaging with fans or holding oneself accountable for operational excellence. In fact, she mentioned the great energy and sense of relief that came with our football home opener, skipping, of course, the failure to adequately plan for a large crowd.

Maybe if she sat on fewer NCAA committees, she could be more visible to her constituents and respond to, or even acknowledge receipt of, their emails. I was pretty hopeful when she started; much less so now.



+1 I believe that you've got it figured out.

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   Posted: 9/22/2021 8:25:22 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Who does she hire? Jaaron Simmons for $800k/yr after his stellar TBT showing?


My god....laugh out loud funny stuff.

Love it.


#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 9/22/2021 8:48:39 PM 
Julie is a quality AD and person. In the 2 months before the opener she had a head coach retire, SID retire, the entire video staff retire, and the asstant AD for facitlities go on paternity leave. This from the smallest staff in the MAC, and as much as we want to laugh at the OVC, our support staff is smaller than most of them. Going into that first game, the department looked nothing like what it did in June. Not to mention, most of campus was still in remote until July.

As for concessions, you are dealing with an independant contractor that HDL hires on the lowest bid, and that Athletics has no control over. Lost in all this the head of concessions contract resigned in the spring too, and a new person was doing their first game was well. The stadium was built in 1929 and is outdated, oldest in the MAC, and totally under equiped, mainly due to infrastructure, narrow concourses, etc. The new person has no clue and has never worked an event like this before, and of course staffing issues.

In short, Julie has a clue to what she is doing. She has demonstrated that with the contract on late notice for a football coach, but less than two full years into the university beauracy there are things still out of her control.

Pile on the hate, I am used to it. But Julie does hear the complaints and she is working on them! She is the most quaified AD in many years!!!
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   Posted: 9/22/2021 8:52:00 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Julie is a quality AD and person. In the 2 months before the opener she had a head coach retire, SID retire, the entire video staff retire, and the asstant AD for facitlities go on paternity leave. This from the smallest staff in the MAC, and as much as we want to laugh at the OVC, our support staff is smaller than most of them. Going into that first game, the department looked nothing like what it did in June. Not to mention, most of campus was still in remote until July.

As for concessions, you are dealing with an independant contractor that HDL hires on the lowest bid, and that Athletics has no control over. Lost in all this the head of concessions contract resigned in the spring too, and a new person was doing their first game was well. The stadium was built in 1929 and is outdated, oldest in the MAC, and totally under equiped, mainly due to infrastructure, narrow concourses, etc. The new person has no clue and has never worked an event like this before, and of course staffing issues.

In short, Julie has a clue to what she is doing. She has demonstrated that with the contract on late notice for a football coach, but less than two full years into the university beauracy there are things still out of her control.

Pile on the hate, I am used to it. But Julie does hear the complaints and she is working on them! She is the most quaified AD in many years!!!


I hope you are right, BTC, but for now I'm in the skeptics corner as my perceptions mirror those to SBH's.

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   Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:29 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Julie is a quality AD and person. In the 2 months before the opener she had a head coach retire, SID retire, the entire video staff retire, and the asstant AD for facitlities go on paternity leave. This from the smallest staff in the MAC, and as much as we want to laugh at the OVC, our support staff is smaller than most of them. Going into that first game, the department looked nothing like what it did in June. Not to mention, most of campus was still in remote until July.

As for concessions, you are dealing with an independant contractor that HDL hires on the lowest bid, and that Athletics has no control over. Lost in all this the head of concessions contract resigned in the spring too, and a new person was doing their first game was well. The stadium was built in 1929 and is outdated, oldest in the MAC, and totally under equiped, mainly due to infrastructure, narrow concourses, etc. The new person has no clue and has never worked an event like this before, and of course staffing issues.

In short, Julie has a clue to what she is doing. She has demonstrated that with the contract on late notice for a football coach, but less than two full years into the university beauracy there are things still out of her control.

Pile on the hate, I am used to it. But Julie does hear the complaints and she is working on them! She is the most quaified AD in many years!!!

No doubt she is facing many issues at the school and she’s not responsible for all the problems easily seen. One proof of the pudding will be to follow her hires and see how they do. Ultimately, she will get the credit if they are successful and the blame if they are not. She’s hired a lot of coaches lately, let’s see how they do.
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 12:15:49 AM 
Is the reason for having such a small staff a university/budget/hiring issue or is this just remnants of the previous staff trying to get the AD budget closer to breaking even? I seem to remember Schaus was all about pinching pennies in some areas.
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 10:14:58 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Julie is a quality AD and person. In the 2 months before the opener she had a head coach retire, SID retire, the entire video staff retire, and the asstant AD for facitlities go on paternity leave. This from the smallest staff in the MAC, and as much as we want to laugh at the OVC, our support staff is smaller than most of them. Going into that first game, the department looked nothing like what it did in June. Not to mention, most of campus was still in remote until July.

As for concessions, you are dealing with an independant contractor that HDL hires on the lowest bid, and that Athletics has no control over. Lost in all this the head of concessions contract resigned in the spring too, and a new person was doing their first game was well. The stadium was built in 1929 and is outdated, oldest in the MAC, and totally under equiped, mainly due to infrastructure, narrow concourses, etc. The new person has no clue and has never worked an event like this before, and of course staffing issues.


These are the facts.



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SBH
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 10:37:24 AM 
In her podcast interview, Ms. Cromer indicated that her "mentor" is Joe Castiglione of the University of Oklahoma. He was her first call for advice on the replacement of Frank. If she paid attention to what the other OU does, she'd have noted that they issued an apology and explanation for poor concessions service at their first home game. Their AD accepted responsibility and assured fans the situation would be rectified.

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   Posted: 9/23/2021 11:12:12 AM 
BTC - I appreciate the positivity and optimism. I also think Tim Albin is a great person and I personally really like him. However, objectively speaking, his head coaching tenure has been a dumpster fire thus far. I hope that changes.

I don't know Julie and have never interacted with her even casually.I will blame that on the pandemic, or my status. I'm a former employee, season taken holder and small donor. She may be a great person. I just don't know her. However, objectively speaking, she has been at the university for two years and her tenure has not been great from my view. Most importantly I don't see the presence in taking accountability for any it. Also, the people you mentioned other than Frank who "retired" are not really a retirement age, I am almost certain. That means they left including some who just quit without another job. Why would someone do that.. the environment they're working in is not great.

Is that Julie's fault? Directly maybe not but functionally it is. The buck has to stop with her even if the pandemic has brought forward a tougher world that makes her job MUCH harder. We have the smallest staff in the MAC - fundraising can help support us better. Everyone has had problems with game day operations... if ours is tied to the lowest bid contract, own it and work to get better. She was no where to be found at least as I am aware. I loved the accountability I saw from Northern Illinois on Twitter. Not here.

Again BTC, I appreciate and respect the optimism. I hope you are right and she resurrects the department. It is important to note that it is crashing in flames under her watch. Functionally that is on her. I hope we turn it around.

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   Posted: 9/23/2021 11:23:20 AM 
Ms.Cromer was Senior Athletics Director and Associate Vice Chancellor among other things at the University of Arkansas.

As I've posted before, when she was named by Nellis as A.D.,I was concerned, given her background and membership on various boards, why Arkansas didn't jump to promote her to A.D. when the position became available.

To date her performance as A.D. seems a bit "underwhelming".

I've also found her to be a bit of a recluse when it comes to responding to
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 11:43:16 AM 
For the record folks, I am not attacking anyone personally. I don't wish hard times on anyone. I love this University. 90% of my friends and professional network are because of OHIO. I simply want the best for our Alma Mater and the future.

If there were job opportunities available (that fit my background), I would move my Family to Athens tomorrow and go at it with passion. Sadly, there are no such opportunities.

I believe an OHIO Alum would approach any job with passion and excitement. Jeff Boals is a recent example.

Athens isn't for everyone.
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 12:07:58 PM 
Diamond Cat wrote:
For the record folks, I am not attacking anyone personally. I don't wish hard times on anyone. I love this University. 90% of my friends and professional network are because of OHIO. I simply want the best for our Alma Mater and the future.

If there were job opportunities available (that fit my background), I would move my Family to Athens tomorrow and go at it with passion. Sadly, there are no such opportunities.

I believe an OHIO Alum would approach any job with passion and excitement. Jeff Boals is a recent example.

Athens isn't for everyone.

See how you are after 30 years here.

GO BOBCATS
GEORGE

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   Posted: 9/23/2021 1:38:04 PM 
OhioAlumX2 wrote:
BTC - I appreciate the positivity and optimism. I also think Tim Albin is a great person and I personally really like him. However, objectively speaking, his head coaching tenure has been a dumpster fire thus far. I hope that changes.

I don't know Julie and have never interacted with her even casually.I will blame that on the pandemic, or my status. I'm a former employee, season taken holder and small donor. She may be a great person. I just don't know her. However, objectively speaking, she has been at the university for two years and her tenure has not been great from my view. Most importantly I don't see the presence in taking accountability for any it. Also, the people you mentioned other than Frank who "retired" are not really a retirement age, I am almost certain. That means they left including some who just quit without another job. Why would someone do that.. the environment they're working in is not great.

Is that Julie's fault? Directly maybe not but functionally it is. The buck has to stop with her even if the pandemic has brought forward a tougher world that makes her job MUCH harder. We have the smallest staff in the MAC - fundraising can help support us better. Everyone has had problems with game day operations... if ours is tied to the lowest bid contract, own it and work to get better. She was no where to be found at least as I am aware. I loved the accountability I saw from Northern Illinois on Twitter. Not here.

Again BTC, I appreciate and respect the optimism. I hope you are right and she resurrects the department. It is important to note that it is crashing in flames under her watch. Functionally that is on her. I hope we turn it around.



I'll tell you straight up why I left (and you're very much so correct, I'd say a couple were maybe 30/31 and the rest of us sub 30... There's also more people than us that've left, they just weren't as visible.

The primary reason is that my wife got into vet school. I gave an almost 6 month notice that I'd be leaving haha.

I was the primary person for almost any and everything that hit social video wise, practice photos when we were trying to get the SAs more things to post, plus the single camera streams. Working a lot of weeks nearing 70-80 hours, not having a day off for weeks, and just not feeling like I fit in there were a lot of reasons. For a lot of people, COVID shut down was awesome because the workload significantly decreased... For me, the workload significantly increased and home became my office and I couldn't separate the two.

Now I'm at a job that tries to be a bit more mindful of a work life balance (we are short staffed at the moment, so I'm cool with working a little extra to help out). I have my weekends back a lot of times, so I get to actually be a sports fan and rant on here with you guys. A lot of times I have my nights back even! One of the things that really stunk was getting in at 6 AM to do stuff with football workouts and then not getting out until 10:30-11:00 PM if not later because there was a volleyball game. So for the almost 4 years I was there I couldn't make plans to do anything after work even. The work environment at my new place is awesome. For the most part it's like a bunch of friends hanging out vs the isolation I felt there. A nearly $20,000 pay bump at the new place didn't hurt my feelings either haha.
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 1:49:24 PM 
ExVideoCat wrote:
OhioAlumX2 wrote:
BTC - I appreciate the positivity and optimism. I also think Tim Albin is a great person and I personally really like him. However, objectively speaking, his head coaching tenure has been a dumpster fire thus far. I hope that changes.

I don't know Julie and have never interacted with her even casually.I will blame that on the pandemic, or my status. I'm a former employee, season taken holder and small donor. She may be a great person. I just don't know her. However, objectively speaking, she has been at the university for two years and her tenure has not been great from my view. Most importantly I don't see the presence in taking accountability for any it. Also, the people you mentioned other than Frank who "retired" are not really a retirement age, I am almost certain. That means they left including some who just quit without another job. Why would someone do that.. the environment they're working in is not great.

Is that Julie's fault? Directly maybe not but functionally it is. The buck has to stop with her even if the pandemic has brought forward a tougher world that makes her job MUCH harder. We have the smallest staff in the MAC - fundraising can help support us better. Everyone has had problems with game day operations... if ours is tied to the lowest bid contract, own it and work to get better. She was no where to be found at least as I am aware. I loved the accountability I saw from Northern Illinois on Twitter. Not here.

Again BTC, I appreciate and respect the optimism. I hope you are right and she resurrects the department. It is important to note that it is crashing in flames under her watch. Functionally that is on her. I hope we turn it around.



I'll tell you straight up why I left (and you're very much so correct, I'd say a couple were maybe 30/31 and the rest of us sub 30... There's also more people than us that've left, they just weren't as visible.

The primary reason is that my wife got into vet school. I gave an almost 6 month notice that I'd be leaving haha.

I was the primary person for almost any and everything that hit social video wise, practice photos when we were trying to get the SAs more things to post, plus the single camera streams. Working a lot of weeks nearing 70-80 hours, not having a day off for weeks, and just not feeling like I fit in there were a lot of reasons. For a lot of people, COVID shut down was awesome because the workload significantly decreased... For me, the workload significantly increased and home became my office and I couldn't separate the two.

Now I'm at a job that tries to be a bit more mindful of a work life balance (we are short staffed at the moment, so I'm cool with working a little extra to help out). I have my weekends back a lot of times, so I get to actually be a sports fan and rant on here with you guys. A lot of times I have my nights back even! One of the things that really stunk was getting in at 6 AM to do stuff with football workouts and then not getting out until 10:30-11:00 PM if not later because there was a volleyball game. So for the almost 4 years I was there I couldn't make plans to do anything after work even. The work environment at my new place is awesome. For the most part it's like a bunch of friends hanging out vs the isolation I felt there. A nearly $20,000 pay bump at the new place didn't hurt my feelings either haha.


A lot of overworked people here and quite a few who need held accountable. Good people get poached easily here due to salary and workloads. Not seeing an end soon. The independent contractors need to be held accountable. Even if it is lowest bid, they are paid.

GO BOBCATS
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 2:23:03 PM 
Kinggeorge4 wrote:
ExVideoCat wrote:
OhioAlumX2 wrote:
BTC - I appreciate the positivity and optimism. I also think Tim Albin is a great person and I personally really like him. However, objectively speaking, his head coaching tenure has been a dumpster fire thus far. I hope that changes.

I don't know Julie and have never interacted with her even casually.I will blame that on the pandemic, or my status. I'm a former employee, season taken holder and small donor. She may be a great person. I just don't know her. However, objectively speaking, she has been at the university for two years and her tenure has not been great from my view. Most importantly I don't see the presence in taking accountability for any it. Also, the people you mentioned other than Frank who "retired" are not really a retirement age, I am almost certain. That means they left including some who just quit without another job. Why would someone do that.. the environment they're working in is not great.

Is that Julie's fault? Directly maybe not but functionally it is. The buck has to stop with her even if the pandemic has brought forward a tougher world that makes her job MUCH harder. We have the smallest staff in the MAC - fundraising can help support us better. Everyone has had problems with game day operations... if ours is tied to the lowest bid contract, own it and work to get better. She was no where to be found at least as I am aware. I loved the accountability I saw from Northern Illinois on Twitter. Not here.

Again BTC, I appreciate and respect the optimism. I hope you are right and she resurrects the department. It is important to note that it is crashing in flames under her watch. Functionally that is on her. I hope we turn it around.



I'll tell you straight up why I left (and you're very much so correct, I'd say a couple were maybe 30/31 and the rest of us sub 30... There's also more people than us that've left, they just weren't as visible.

The primary reason is that my wife got into vet school. I gave an almost 6 month notice that I'd be leaving haha.

I was the primary person for almost any and everything that hit social video wise, practice photos when we were trying to get the SAs more things to post, plus the single camera streams. Working a lot of weeks nearing 70-80 hours, not having a day off for weeks, and just not feeling like I fit in there were a lot of reasons. For a lot of people, COVID shut down was awesome because the workload significantly decreased... For me, the workload significantly increased and home became my office and I couldn't separate the two.

Now I'm at a job that tries to be a bit more mindful of a work life balance (we are short staffed at the moment, so I'm cool with working a little extra to help out). I have my weekends back a lot of times, so I get to actually be a sports fan and rant on here with you guys. A lot of times I have my nights back even! One of the things that really stunk was getting in at 6 AM to do stuff with football workouts and then not getting out until 10:30-11:00 PM if not later because there was a volleyball game. So for the almost 4 years I was there I couldn't make plans to do anything after work even. The work environment at my new place is awesome. For the most part it's like a bunch of friends hanging out vs the isolation I felt there. A nearly $20,000 pay bump at the new place didn't hurt my feelings either haha.


A lot of overworked people here and quite a few who need held accountable. Good people get poached easily here due to salary and workloads. Not seeing an end soon. The independent contractors need to be held accountable. Even if it is lowest bid, they are paid.


Overworked would easily be solved by realizing how small you are and that you'll never compete with say an OSU. The common thing I heard was how all the sports need to be treated equal, and we need to make things on par with larger schools... Well both of those things are great when you're at a big school and can have one person focus on one sport, not one person focusing on 16. As far as salary you'd honestly be surprised how criminally low it is in sports in general. The $36k I was at (I would've be at $34k something but DeWine made that pay cutoff if you were going to have someone salaried so I got a little bump) is actually pretty level with other places in sports. Similar job that I had at K-State was $32-34k I believe... I interviewed at TAMU before Ohio. I kid you not, to be in charge of ALL of their video boards, participate in content creation, and manage students was $28k. On top of all of that, I wasn't a drinker. At 28 years old, Court Street has no value to me. You take away the one reason everyone LOVES Athens, and Athens isn't that great of a place to live. I didn't have enough money/the time to go out and eat at all of the restaurants and the Walmart is the shining thing to do in town (coming from a small town in Arkansas where Walmart is the only thing to do, the only difference is our local places there were chains here), so if I wanted to do anything I'd have had to driven to Cbus and it revolves back around to I didn't have money or time to do anything in Cbus haha. Most of the staff at Ohio falls in one of two camps. Camp one is they're using this as a stepping stone to go somewhere else or they're testing the waters to see if this is really what they want to do, and camp two is they've got kids here, they're married to someone who works in the area, etc and they just don't want to move.

A fun research project is to look around at people's salaries. When you factor out coaching staffs (and I wouldn't do that fully as a while back FH was trying to hire an Asst Coach at $12 an hour) and senior admin, a lot of us low on the totem pole folk made right around the same amount. Some people got the same amount and got to work 8-5 though which sucked for those of us that had to GRIND lol.

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Kinggeorge4
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   Posted: 9/23/2021 2:45:10 PM 
In my area overworked is common along with low pay. We get poached a lot by larger schools. Budget cuts have taken a toll and staff is the main area. When I started here, there were 150 employees in my area. Now I know automation has eliminated some positions, but we offer more services than ever and have a staff under 70 now. Everyone is doing more with less here and no pay raises. Fact of life here at OHIO.

GO BOBCATS
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   Posted: 9/24/2021 10:19:12 AM 
EX-Cat, I feel your pain. Sadly, what many do not realize is the work that does go on just to produce what we actually have, and that OUr staff is the smallest (by far) in the MAC.
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