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   Posted: 10/19/2020 3:54:53 PM 
Watching the football games last weekend,a lot of colleges have their bands,or a portion there of,in the stands.

Out here in NJ, some high schools now have their bands on the field for pregame,1/2 time and post game.

They use Social Distancing Drill.
(You actually don't notice)

Covers over the "bells" for brass and masks for parts of the drum line.

Check out the "clifton mustang marching band" on youtube and you can see how its done.

High schools are even having marching band competitions.

Yet,unless someone knows something I don't,it seems like O.U.'s administration has no intention of allowing the 110,or any part thereof "in the stands" to perform this year.

Don't know why.

I'm sure,if asked,Dr.Suk and the 110 will figure out a way to get out there and perform.

O.U. likes to use the 110 for publicity, when it suits them.

The homecoming video I got is a perfect example.

But the rest of the time they are either ambivalent,or like last year's "hazing investigation" showed,have an overt hostility towards them.

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   Posted: 10/19/2020 5:15:36 PM 
FWIW, the dispatch mentioned today that o$u's marching band will not be in the horseshoe this season, beginning with this Saturday's opener. I believe that's true of all big 10 schools.

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   Posted: 10/19/2020 6:44:10 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
FWIW, the dispatch mentioned today that o$u's marching band will not be in the horseshoe this season, beginning with this Saturday's opener. I believe that's true of all big 10 schools.


I read an article in late September that this was under consideration by the B1G.

But I never saw a follow up that they made it official.

Guess the Dispatch article does.

I know from some friends in Wisc. that,as of a week or so ago, their band was still practicing.

Maybe the B1G bands will be doing something outside the stadiums.

I know MAC has restrictions on bands being on the field.

Shouldn't prevent them from playing in the stands,or on campus.

That would give some solace to the band,especially the Seniors.
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   Posted: 10/19/2020 7:09:14 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
FWIW, the dispatch mentioned today that o$u's marching band will not be in the horseshoe this season, beginning with this Saturday's opener. I believe that's true of all big 10 schools.


Maybe the B1G bands will be doing something outside the stadiums.


the o$u band will also not be playing at their pre-game skull session, also according to today's dispatch
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   Posted: 10/19/2020 7:26:34 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:


the o$u band will also not be playing at their pre-game skull session, also according to today's dispatch


Unless they moved it,the skull session is inside,so that's not a surprise.

I was thinking along the lines of outside the stadium,like O.U.'s tailgate park.

You'd just have to make sure you can have social distancing and any spectators wear masks.

As I posted,the high schools around here figured out a way to play pre-game,1/2 time and post game,inside their stadiums.

They are also holding high school band competitions.

I would think,if they wanted,B1G schools could figure out a way to have bands perform.
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   Posted: 10/20/2020 9:36:26 AM 
The Big 10 conference made the decision on no bands at games. However, I know at least OSU and Penn St are still practicing and doing virtual performances. OSU MB just announced virtual halftime shows will be streamed at halftime of their games. It sounds like if the Big Ten changed it’s stance on no bands, OSU would Immediately approve their band at games.

https://www.buckeyextra.com/story/football/2020/10/19/ohi... /

My understanding is that the MAC left the band decision to the member institutions. OU is still being pretty strict compared to other institutions. Only 40 staff members have been permitted to practice “in person”. Basically, the staff members are upperclassmen who are virtually training freshmen on marching style. There are many more 110 members living on or around campus because they had leases anyway or were part of the Phase I/2 return. However, even though they are in Athens, the university will not allow non-staff 110 members to practice in person.

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   Posted: 10/20/2020 11:22:34 AM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
The Big 10 conference made the decision on no bands at games. However, I know at least OSU and Penn St are still practicing and doing virtual performances. OSU MB just announced virtual halftime shows will be streamed at halftime of their games. It sounds like if the Big Ten changed it’s stance on no bands, OSU would Immediately approve their band at games.

https://www.buckeyextra.com/story/football/2020/10/19/ohi... /

My understanding is that the MAC left the band decision to the member institutions. OU is still being pretty strict compared to other institutions. Only 40 staff members have been permitted to practice “in person”. Basically, the staff members are upperclassmen who are virtually training freshmen on marching style. There are many more 110 members living on or around campus because they had leases anyway or were part of the Phase I/2 return. However, even though they are in Athens, the university will not allow non-staff 110 members to practice in person.


The reason the B1G put in the strict restrictions on fans is Rutgers.

Well,Governor Murphy.

He issued an Executive Order pretty much banning fans at Metlife or SHI (Rutgers).
No real reason why.
He also refuses to change his position on no fans,even though a lot of NFL teams have been allowing some fans in,with no problems.

The B1G didn't want to put Rutgers at a disadvantage, so they went along with N.J.'s restrictions.

As far as O.U. and the 110,I can think of a number of words other then "pretty strict" to describe how O.U. is treating them.

As I posted,O.U. likes to use the 110 for publicity purposes,when it suits their
needs.

Beyond that,they seem to at best ambivalent,at worst,down right hostile towards the 110.
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   Posted: 10/20/2020 12:46:32 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat110 wrote:
The Big 10 conference made the decision on no bands at games. However, I know at least OSU and Penn St are still practicing and doing virtual performances. OSU MB just announced virtual halftime shows will be streamed at halftime of their games. It sounds like if the Big Ten changed it’s stance on no bands, OSU would Immediately approve their band at games.

https://www.buckeyextra.com/story/football/2020/10/19/ohi... /

My understanding is that the MAC left the band decision to the member institutions. OU is still being pretty strict compared to other institutions. Only 40 staff members have been permitted to practice “in person”. Basically, the staff members are upperclassmen who are virtually training freshmen on marching style. There are many more 110 members living on or around campus because they had leases anyway or were part of the Phase I/2 return. However, even though they are in Athens, the university will not allow non-staff 110 members to practice in person.


The reason the B1G put in the strict restrictions on fans is Rutgers.

Well,Governor Murphy.

He issued an Executive Order pretty much banning fans at Metlife or SHI (Rutgers).
No real reason why.
He also refuses to change his position on no fans,even though a lot of NFL teams have been allowing some fans in,with no problems.

The B1G didn't want to put Rutgers at a disadvantage, so they went along with N.J.'s restrictions.

As far as O.U. and the 110,I can think of a number of words other then "pretty strict" to describe how O.U. is treating them.

As I posted,O.U. likes to use the 110 for publicity purposes,when it suits their
needs.

Beyond that,they seem to at best ambivalent,at worst,down right hostile towards the 110.





Practicing in person is a form of hazing [/sarcasm]
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   Posted: 10/20/2020 2:01:08 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
As far as O.U. and the 110,I can think of a number of words other then "pretty strict" to describe how O.U. is treating them.

As I posted,O.U. likes to use the 110 for publicity purposes,when it suits their
needs.

Beyond that,they seem to at best ambivalent,at worst,down right hostile towards the 110.





It does feel personal. Especially when the members were told in the Spring that they had to do the 2nd round of “culture issue” interviews to remain members. They did the the interviews and the university still stalled releasing them from suspension until 3 days before campus closes down for remainder of Spring Semester. They were afraid the band would have had a blowout party if they took them off suspension before Spring Break.

The 3rd party company that did the 2nd round of interviews said to the Dean of Music and members that they were the best group they ever worked with and didn’t find reason to remove any member from the band. They basically said “we don’t know why we were even brought here, but thanks for the check.” COVID feels like a way the university can extend their reach. It’s ok for football players to practice, but band members at 6 foot spacing outside is still unacceptable.

There is no advocacy from administration. At least the OSU AD is out there saying “ seating the band would be the highest priority for the school..”. Once my girls graduate, the only part of OU that will get any money from me is the 110.




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   Posted: 10/20/2020 6:35:18 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As far as O.U. and the 110,I can think of a number of words other then "pretty strict" to describe how O.U. is treating them.

As I posted,O.U. likes to use the 110 for publicity purposes,when it suits their
needs.

Beyond that,they seem to at best ambivalent,at worst,down right hostile towards the 110.





It does feel personal. Especially when the members were told in the Spring that they had to do the 2nd round of “culture issue” interviews to remain members. They did the the interviews and the university still stalled releasing them from suspension until 3 days before campus closes down for remainder of Spring Semester. They were afraid the band would have had a blowout party if they took them off suspension before Spring Break.

The 3rd party company that did the 2nd round of interviews said to the Dean of Music and members that they were the best group they ever worked with and didn’t find reason to remove any member from the band. They basically said “we don’t know why we were even brought here, but thanks for the check.” COVID feels like a way the university can extend their reach. It’s ok for football players to practice, but band members at 6 foot spacing outside is still unacceptable.

There is no advocacy from administration. At least the OSU AD is out there saying “ seating the band would be the highest priority for the school..”. Once my girls graduate, the only part of OU that will get any money from me is the 110.





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   Posted: 10/20/2020 9:15:06 PM 
The 110 and its staff is doing everything within reason to try and get those students who are on campus to be allowed to rehearse and prepare to perform.

However, so far, it's been unsuccessful in getting permissions from the powers that be, unfortunately.


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   Posted: 10/21/2020 9:25:03 AM 
jayboy wrote:
The 110 and its staff is doing everything within reason to try and get those students who are on campus to be allowed to rehearse and prepare to perform.

However, so far, it's been unsuccessful in getting permissions from the powers that be, unfortunately.




So frustrating. And the 110 members don’t want to risk more trouble for the band, so they are just following JHJ’’s (non)marching orders. Don’t want to be criminally charged by the university.
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   Posted: 10/21/2020 3:46:12 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
jayboy wrote:
The 110 and its staff is doing everything within reason to try and get those students who are on campus to be allowed to rehearse and prepare to perform.

However, so far, it's been unsuccessful in getting permissions from the powers that be, unfortunately.




So frustrating. And the 110 members don’t want to risk more trouble for the band, so they are just following JHJ’’s (non)marching orders. Don’t want to be criminally charged by the university.


“Complaining about the band not practicing is also a form of hazing”
—Certain Ohio University administrator, probably—
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   Posted: 10/24/2020 12:24:46 PM 
Guess administration asked Suk for a picture of the band members spelling “VOTE” for one of their typical “we will use the band when it’s convenient for us” moments. Suk replies “uh. You haven’t allowed enough members to attend practice to spell more than the letter ‘V ‘“. 🤦‍♂️ I guess administration decided it wasn’t that important.

The president and some other administrator(s) were supposedly meeting on Thursday to make final determination on the 110’s permission to recommence practices. Of course, in Nellis fashion, it just got put off with no decision. He will wait until it’s a moot point just like he has on their suspension and the (non)return of students to campus.

I know of three division 1 college band directors (OU alums) that currently work for other institutions have said that OU’s position is way out of line. They stated that 143 college band directors were surveyed on COVID spread due to marching band activities. There’s NOT ONE known case of COVID transmitting from one MB member to another. The only known cases were of members who were infected outside of band and then the band quarantined out of precaution.

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   Posted: 10/24/2020 1:09:10 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Guess administration asked Suk for a picture of the band members spelling “VOTE” for one of their typical “we will use the band when it’s convenient for us” moments. Suk replies “uh. You haven’t allowed enough members to attend practice to spell more than the letter ‘V ‘“. 🤦‍♂️ I guess administration decided it wasn’t that important.

The president and some other administrator(s) were supposedly meeting on Thursday to make final determination on the 110’s permission to recommence practices. Of course, in Nellis fashion, it just got put off with no decision. He will wait until it’s a moot point just like he has on their suspension and the (non)return of students to campus.

I know of three division 1 college band directors (OU alums) that currently work for other institutions have said that OU’s position is way out of line. They stated that 143 college band directors were surveyed on COVID spread due to marching band activities. There’s NOT ONE known case of COVID transmitting from one MB member to another. The only known cases were of members who were infected outside of band and then the band quarantined out of precaution.


Making the marching band spell out "VOTE" is a form of hazing
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   Posted: 10/26/2020 12:38:13 PM 
mf279801 wrote:

Making the marching band spell out "VOTE" is a form of hazing


Yup 👍


So. Looking around at Ohio Division I schools, Toledo, BGSU, Kent, Cincinnati and OSU all getting to safely rehearse in person and stream performances. The 110 get doormatted with Miami and Akron bands.

https://www.fox19.com/2020/09/09/uc-marching-band-rehears...

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/article/sports/football/ohio-...

https://www.facebook.com/kentstatemgf/videos/693874324853147 /

https://www.facebook.com/rocketmarchingband/videos/337799... /

https://www.facebook.com/142237479930/posts/1015860971348...


I just hoped better of this university. They forced a 6 month suspension on fabricated hazing charges for Pina so he could propel his career. They forced members to “interview” for their commitment to being model students and sign pledges of allegiance to the code of conduct. They finally, supposedly, released the 110 from suspension 3 days before they closed campus due to COVID. Yet, here we are almost into November and the administration still locking down the 110.


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   Posted: 10/26/2020 1:29:41 PM 
I said it before, but its worth repeating.

In my opinion, the current O.U. administration is only interested in the 110,when it suits their purposes.

Beyond that, its ambivalence to outright hostility.

From his actions ,or lack there of, O.U.'s current president either agrees with how others in the university's administration feel about the 110,or doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to take a stand.

Say what you want about McDavis,but I can't see anything that was done to the 110,including the BS going on now, happening under his watch.

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   Posted: 10/26/2020 1:40:15 PM 
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?
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   Posted: 10/26/2020 2:01:53 PM 
We wonder why attendance is taking a nose dive? Over the past 18 months the University can not get out of its own way!
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   Posted: 10/26/2020 2:28:20 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?

I've wondered the same, but figured we would get roasted. Even if they were allowed at the game we wouldn't see them unless it was streamed since espn never shows halftime.

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   Posted: 10/26/2020 2:28:45 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?


Just like athletes, it takes work to do what they do. It’d be pretty tough shutting down the Football team’s practices for a full year and just expect them to resume. The marching style and athletic dances takes a lot of effort and practice. They normally practice 2+ hours a day during the Fall. Now they will have two classes of freshmen entering band camp next year, which will probably be chaotic. The upperclassmen who will need to train all the freshmen are this year’s sophomores and juniors. But they aren’t allowed to be on the field now even if they are on campus. So, they will have essentially 3rd year and 2nd year band members teaching a huge freshmen class.

Plus, even though they may not have a live audience, they still get the enjoyment of performing virtually, especially the seniors who are now just basically being told their time is over after last year having to fight for their membership in the band and losing a trip to Japan due to COVID.

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   Posted: 10/26/2020 6:19:19 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?


What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?
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   Posted: 10/26/2020 8:09:21 PM 
If the actual 110 won't be there, I like the idea of a showing a virtual 110 on the scoreboard. Sure beats having recorded music blaring on the PA system.

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Am I the only one who wonders what's the point of having the 110 rehearse and perform for football if there are no spectators allowed?


What percentage of classes at OU are in person right now, and what percentage of students are remote?

It definitely would seem an odd choice if the 110 is on campus to practice, but hands on graduate and undergrad programs still aren't.

Anybody know?


“Technically” 100% of graduate students and 30% of undergraduate students are part of “Phase 1” or “Phase 2” plan that allows them on campus. So, statistically speaking, the 110 has about 250 members, which means they should already have about 80 members approved by OU to be on campus. That’s the same number they used for their bowl trips to Idaho and the Bahamas.

However, OU says “wait a minute. Just because you are approved in phase 1 or 2 to be on campus, that doesn’t mean we will permit you to practice with the band.” Since August, they have told Suk that only the 3 dozen staff members are allowed on the practice field.

Now to expand on this, most upperclassmen are around Athens even if they are relegated to online only classes. This year’s leases were signed in Fall last year. Since the upperclassmen couldn’t get out of their leases, they are living in the apartments they are paying for. Additionally, about 20% of the 110 members are music majors, and music majors are one of the majors approved to be on campus. So, there are a few freshmen and sophomore music majors on campus that cannot attend 110 practices.

The 110 knows they cannot have the whole band in rehearsal because a lot of the members aren’t in Athens and it’s not expected of them to return just to rehearse. However, there are probably another 40-50 students approved to be on campus as part of phase 1 or 2, but the university will not approve them to practice. There are also probably another 30-40 living in Athens taking marching band online that could be present if the university permitted. It’s an open air, 6 foot spacing class. Not an indoor lecture or lab. It still wouldn’t be full band, but take them from 36 “in person “ members up to maybe 110 or so rehearsing members. Kind of a where they started 52 years ago 😊

In addition to Toledo, BGSU and Kent, the other MAC bands rehearsing and virtually performing are EMU, CMU, WMU, Ball St, and NIU. The only other MAC bands I could not find any information on were Miami, Akron and Buffalo.


https://youtu.be/dfSknz_PHZs

https://www.facebook.com/emuband/videos/266635481362776/?...

https://blogs.bsu.edu/music/2020/10/21/pride-of-mid-ameri...

https://www.facebook.com/69844191184/posts/10158333429481...

https://www.facebook.com/102362928192/posts/1015772677218...

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   Posted: 10/26/2020 10:05:40 PM 
Just wondering after reading the thread: Is the 110 toast? Or rather will the future 110 be much different than the traditional?

After the suspension it would appear that the administration is very content to have the band suspension continue conveniently without calling it a suspension. The longer the administration can keep band members apart the quicker dies tradition.

At other campuses the student bodies have thought of band members as the artsy, un-athletic, whimps. While at OU the band had a certain connection to being an in your face model of what it's like to be a college student. Will the swag disappear? Add that Rock n Roll isn't knocking out hit after hit, what will be the band's music that attracted student fans by playing relevant tunes of the day vs "How much is that Doggy in the Winder".

What is the likelihood that when Doctor Suk leaves the band will carry on? Perhaps the administration will want to dampen enthusiasm by hiring a Corps band style director. The administration would probably be very happy with a band less then half the size to minimize the probability of negative member violations of the ALL important student code of conduct.

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