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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 12:31:55 AM 
Cuomo announced new restrictions today. Anyone traveling into NY for whatever reason or for whatever length of time must take a covid test before starting travel then quarantine for 72 hours and take another test that comes up negative. This may mean that teams traveling into NY could not practice for three days before the game because of the quarantine requirement. That wouldn't necessarily affect our game with Buffalo (they would need to at least take tests upon returning to NY) but Fiami, Kent and Akron are scheduled to play there, with Fiami coming up next week. Looks like the cancellation bug might hit early.

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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 8:07:15 AM 
Cuomo's 14 Day quarantine ,for people from state's on NY's ever changing list, failed miserably.

It was unenforceable.

They could only identify people who flew or came in on a commercial bus.

They also exempted "adjoining" states.

The people on the radio yesterday said this also only works for
people who fly or take a commercial bus.

It also exempts "adjoining" states.

Haven't heard anyone say that this will do much,if anything.

Then again,NJ's billboards saying "Coming in from out of state.Call 511 for
quarantine requirements", and expecting people to actually call, was as bad ,if not worse.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 11:22:02 AM 
Ohio's isn't much better. People traveling to or from one of the taboo states are expected to self-quarantine. If you can't get them to wear masks or even physically distance, you're not going to get them to self-quarantine.

As for Buffalo's situation, I wonder if their three home games will eventually become road games. NYers coming back into the state only have to test, not quarantine, so coming back from out-of-state road games shouldn't cause disruptions to their practice schedule. Syracuse and Army are in the same boat. But Syracuse has only one home game that might be affected, Nov 28 vs NC State. The new restrictions don't apply to their game against BC this weekend. Army has three scheduled home games left that could be affected by the restrictions.

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 12:30:42 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Ohio's isn't much better. People traveling to or from one of the taboo states are expected to self-quarantine. If you can't get them to wear masks or even physically distance, you're not going to get them to self-quarantine.

As for Buffalo's situation, I wonder if their three home games will eventually become road games. NYers coming back into the state only have to test, not quarantine, so coming back from out-of-state road games shouldn't cause disruptions to their practice schedule. Syracuse and Army are in the same boat. But Syracuse has only one home game that might be affected, Nov 28 vs NC State. The new restrictions don't apply to their game against BC this weekend. Army has three scheduled home games left that could be affected by the restrictions.


Army is a weird case -- they're not technically in New York State. It's federal land. It's the same reason they're the only team in New York that's had fans (the corp of cadets) and why they're able to host Army-Navy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 12:44:34 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Cuomo's 14 Day quarantine ,for people from state's on NY's ever changing list, failed miserably.




How do you define failure here? Look at New York's infection data:

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+covid+rates&oq=n...

After being the hardest hit state, the rate's stayed consistently low (though like most places, it's starting to tick up slightly). Obviously it's hard to unpack what role travel restrictions played in that, if any. But also hard to look at the infection rate data and determine this was a failure.

Last Edited: 11/2/2020 12:53:07 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 1:12:43 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Cuomo's 14 Day quarantine ,for people from state's on NY's ever changing list, failed miserably.




How do you define failure here? Look at New York's infection data:

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+covid+rates&oq=n...

After being the hardest hit state, the rate's stayed consistently low (though like most places, it's starting to tick up slightly). Obviously it's hard to unpack what role travel restrictions played in that, if any. But also hard to look at the infection rate data and determine this was a failure.


I define failure by the fact that Cuomo got rid of it because, even he admitted, it was not enforceable.

Same with the new requirement for testing.

Other then people flying or taking a commercial bus, how can you enforce it.

Add in the fact that NJ and Conn. are seeing significant spikes in positive tests.
But are exempt.

There a number of opinions as to why NY's infection rate hasn't been rising as fast as some other areas.

NYC is seeing a big spike and considering expanding their "red zone". "shut down" areas to more of Manhattan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/2/2020 3:59:45 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Cuomo's 14 Day quarantine ,for people from state's on NY's ever changing list, failed miserably.




How do you define failure here? Look at New York's infection data:

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+covid+rates&oq=n...

After being the hardest hit state, the rate's stayed consistently low (though like most places, it's starting to tick up slightly). Obviously it's hard to unpack what role travel restrictions played in that, if any. But also hard to look at the infection rate data and determine this was a failure.


I define failure by the fact that Cuomo got rid of it because, even he admitted, it was not enforceable.

Same with the new requirement for testing.

Other then people flying or taking a commercial bus, how can you enforce it.

Add in the fact that NJ and Conn. are seeing significant spikes in positive tests.
But are exempt.

There a number of opinions as to why NY's infection rate hasn't been rising as fast as some other areas.

NYC is seeing a big spike and considering expanding their "red zone". "shut down" areas to more of Manhattan.



Unless I'm reading the new rules wrong, it doesn't seem like Cuomo got rid of the 14 day quarantine period. Instead, it looks like the mandatory testing gives people the ability to test out of the quarantine period. Have you seen something different?

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.

Ultimately, I think providing guidelines for what safe, responsible travel looks like is important, and don't see a ton of harm in implementing this. You enforce where you can (commercial travel) and hope citizens take their responsibility as a citizen seriously otherwise.

From an enforcement standpoint, that doesn't strike me as wildly different than how we enforce a ton of other laws & regulations. There's not really anybody out there enforcing laws against littering, but they still exist, and many people choose to adhere to them despite the very low likelihood that they face any legal consequences from littering.




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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/3/2020 6:51:46 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Unless I'm reading the new rules wrong, it doesn't seem like Cuomo got rid of the 14 day quarantine period. Instead, it looks like the mandatory testing gives people the ability to test out of the quarantine period. Have you seen something different?

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.

Ultimately, I think providing guidelines for what safe, responsible travel looks like is important, and don't see a ton of harm in implementing this. You enforce where you can (commercial travel) and hope citizens take their responsibility as a citizen seriously otherwise.

From an enforcement standpoint, that doesn't strike me as wildly different than how we enforce a ton of other laws & regulations. There's not really anybody out there enforcing laws against littering, but they still exist, and many people choose to adhere to them despite the very low likelihood that they face any legal consequences from littering.



Cuomo dumped the State Quarantine List completely.

The new regulations require anyone entering NY state,except from an adjoining state,to quarantine for 3 days before they travel,then they must test negative for covid.

4 days after they get to NY they have to be retested.
They test negative,they're good to go.

If they don't get retested,they are supposed to self quarantine for 14 days.

As I posted,its unenforceable.

Cuomo also had to exempt adjoining states because, in his own words,"there is too much daily travel to regulate".

So,the majority of people going into and out of NY every day are exempt.

Last Edited: 11/3/2020 7:34:29 AM by rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/3/2020 4:35:08 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.


It's not just people in personal vehicles but you are also asking businesses that are starved for business to enforce it. My wife and I just traveled to Newport, RI and the hotel we stayed in asked us if we had been tested but didn't ask to see the proof. Restaurants posted lists of people from certain states that needed to show proof of tests but again no one asked for proof. Interestingly, Maryland was on the list for our hotel but not the two restaurants that we went to. In the end it's all essentially lip service.
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/3/2020 5:22:38 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.


It's not just people in personal vehicles but you are also asking businesses that are starved for business to enforce it. My wife and I just traveled to Newport, RI and the hotel we stayed in asked us if we had been tested but didn't ask to see the proof. Restaurants posted lists of people from certain states that needed to show proof of tests but again no one asked for proof. Interestingly, Maryland was on the list for our hotel but not the two restaurants that we went to. In the end it's all essentially lip service.


The law is actually just asking citizens to follow it. Those that do, don't put hotels and restaurants in the position of choosing between the health of their business and their personal health.

I get that these laws are ultimately pretty toothless, but if they convince any citizens to act appropriately, isn't that a success?
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/4/2020 9:57:11 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OUVan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.


It's not just people in personal vehicles but you are also asking businesses that are starved for business to enforce it. My wife and I just traveled to Newport, RI and the hotel we stayed in asked us if we had been tested but didn't ask to see the proof. Restaurants posted lists of people from certain states that needed to show proof of tests but again no one asked for proof. Interestingly, Maryland was on the list for our hotel but not the two restaurants that we went to. In the end it's all essentially lip service.


The law is actually just asking citizens to follow it. Those that do, don't put hotels and restaurants in the position of choosing between the health of their business and their personal health.

I get that these laws are ultimately pretty toothless, but if they convince any citizens to act appropriately, isn't that a success?


They're not toothless - the authorities are spineless. The more laws on the books that aren't enforced the more laws that get broken every year. It's kind of like swallowing your whistle at the end of the game - a foul is a foul.

Last Edited: 11/4/2020 9:59:13 AM by Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: New travel restrictions for NY State
   Posted: 11/4/2020 11:15:09 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OUVan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

And yes, all of this is difficult to enforce, especially since people in personal vehicles are on the honor system.


It's not just people in personal vehicles but you are also asking businesses that are starved for business to enforce it. My wife and I just traveled to Newport, RI and the hotel we stayed in asked us if we had been tested but didn't ask to see the proof. Restaurants posted lists of people from certain states that needed to show proof of tests but again no one asked for proof. Interestingly, Maryland was on the list for our hotel but not the two restaurants that we went to. In the end it's all essentially lip service.


The law is actually just asking citizens to follow it. Those that do, don't put hotels and restaurants in the position of choosing between the health of their business and their personal health.

I get that these laws are ultimately pretty toothless, but if they convince any citizens to act appropriately, isn't that a success?


They're not toothless - the authorities are spineless. The more laws on the books that aren't enforced the more laws that get broken every year. It's kind of like swallowing your whistle at the end of the game - a foul is a foul.



Toothless probably isn't the word. But I think we all agree these laws are very hard to actually enforce. However, that's true of a lot of laws.

For instance, police have been saying for years that it's very, very hard to enforce laws against texting while driving. Is that a reason to legalize texting while driving?
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