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Pataskala
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Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 12:21:19 PM

Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

	Cancel all games before the season starts because of Covid-19 concerns
	Some conferences play part of the season, but have to cancel the rest due to Covid-19 surges
	Some conferences play all or nearly all of the season but have to cancel championship games and bowls due to Covid-19 surges

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At the moment, four conferences (MAC, MWC, B10 and Pac-12) and some teams (UConn and ODU) have cancelled their seasons over Covid-19 concerns. The rest seem to be determined to start the season, on a delayed basis and with reduced schedules. What do you think would be more damaging to college football fans: cancel the season now, or get fans used to having college football games but then have to pull the plug before the entire season plays out?

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 1:37:04 PM

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 2:59:15 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 3:50:38 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 4:43:43 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

When it was a habit for 30+ years or whatever it is, it's pretty damaging. Can't wait to see your reaction to your thoughts on some of your favorite local joints in Athens closing because of this whole COVID thing. If you really think businesses are going to survive in Athens, especially after Ohio borrows to the hilt in hopes of staving off bankruptcy and maintenance bills coming due, you got another thing coming.

But don't worry, this whole thing will put things in perspective.....

Last Edited: 8/12/2020 4:56:35 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 4:45:09 PM

"The gladiator games lasted for nearly a thousand years, reaching their peak between the 1st century BC and the 2nd century AD. The games finally declined during the early 5th century after the adoption of Christianity as state church of the Roman Empire in 380, although beast hunts (venationes) continued into the 6th century."

Perhaps, the time has come in society for us to stop creating forms of entertainment to help escape from it. That said, I doubt that College Football will go away, even if we have to wait five years for everything to return to normal. What I do think will disappear is the complete decadence related to programs like Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State. College sports has gotten way too big for antiquated forms of education to continue to support them. Perhaps, the Top teams will join the NFL in the meantime.

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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:58:14 PM

I'm confused by this poll. I can understand how players have the potential to be "damaged" if they catch Covid. I can understand how businesses such as hotels, travel agents, airlines, restaurants and bars can be damaged in a different way. Fans, though? They miss a few pleasant Saturday afternoons with friends, but I'd consider that inconvenience, not damage.

So, were you thinking about the restaurants and bars when you worded the question "fans"?

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 6:28:33 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Comparing local businesses to college athletics is a bit of a stretch. When I broke my leg in 1998 after playing competitive ball for 34 years and could no longer play basketball or softball, my whole perspective on the importance of sports changed. Granted, I'm just one person and while I continued to enjoy watching sports on TV and going to OU games, a loss by my favorite team no longer ruined my day. It just wasn't that important any longer and I found additional things to occupy my time. We all lived without sports this spring and summer and will do so this fall. Many folks will find other things to do with their time.

This whole thing has been a wake up call for Athens and OU. We can't continue to spend because the source of the money for that spending will in many cases no longer be there. As my friend OCF will tell you, there's nothing wrong with a little fiscal responsibility.

And I'm glad to see that Maddog 13, LC and I are all basically on the same page with this.

Last Edited: 8/12/2020 6:30:30 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 8:38:37 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

I did for a while. I was angry and felt betrayed, deceived and duped. I think most fans believe that the games they watch and attend mean more than just the one game. They're part of a season that decides a championship, and when that doesn't occur (as happened in '94 when they cancelled the World Series) I felt cheated. It took five years or so for me to get over that, and by then I had moved on from MLB. I don't feel damaged anymore because I just don't give a damn about MLB anymore. The damage was to my relationship with MLB, which is a form of personal damage. BTW, I didn't feel the same way about cancellation of the MAC b-ball tourney because that was due to forces beyond the MAC's control and was done to protect the health and safety of players, coaches, officials and fans. The baseball strike was a dispute among millionaires over how to split a pot of money. The effect on fans was completely ignored.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 8:54:30 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Agreed. College athletics has been an over bloated mess for a long time, same thing with HS athletics TBH as well. There's a lot more important things than College Athletics...and it's all been an expensive house-of-cards $billion feeding frenzy.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/12/2020 8:56:42 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

It is putting that into perspective. All of that was built on a house of cards that was CLEARLY unsustainable. If businesses and an entire university cannot survive a downturn year, they weren't built for success.

SARS-CoV-2 is only knocking down what was already falling over.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 11:03:16 AM

Maddog13 wrote:

Those 80,000 to 100,000 stadium capacities aren't going to work in the new social distancing normal. Having only 2,500 in Peden looks a lot better.

The same goes with hotels. Those with 2,000 room capacities now only have 40 stay there a night. Hotels with smaller capacities in some cases are keeping up a fairly high occupancy.

I was in Chicago recently and they said between 1929 and 1959 there was practically no skyscrapers built in the United States. If college campuses are in the midst of a great depression it could be 30 years of no new construction. OU was fortunate to have an enrollment boom in the decade prior to the pandemic pushing a lot of needed projects forward.

American workers unionized in heavier numbers following the great depression. Eventually the price became too much and they moved plants to low cost/low regulation areas. If college football players unionized while at the same time profits diminished will the P5 counteract by cutting scholarships from 85 to 55? Universities lower in the D1 food chain might pull the plug on it all together.

I did read is that OU raised almost 50 million in the year ending June 1st (record for a non-campaign year) and believe it or not is on pace to raise that level of money this year. Big donors are going to continue to want their name on a building. Does this mean OU has what it takes to stay D1 in this environment? The food chain in D1 is going to be disrupted and it could actually help us.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 2:05:33 PM

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Guess you can say the same thing of businesses that form around industries moving into town. The second they move out, they become unsustainable too. Are those a house of cards too?

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 6:04:25 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Guess you can say the same thing of businesses that form around industries moving into town. The second they move out, they become unsustainable too. Are those a house of cards too?

I'm not sure you get my analogy. But to answer: yes, it depends on the industry. College athletics in most of the country including the P5 is a house of cards. Is there REALLY a demand for the amount of college sports that there is? I'd argue no. If there were no universities would need to subsidize their programs with student fees.

It's only sustainable because of the subsidy on the backs of students. The ESPN's, sports writers, bars, all make $ on something they are not directly tied to maintaining. And we've seen how viewership/attendance decline has taken a toll on ESPN, with numerous layoff spells before this pandemic. They're catering to a demand, that's not even existent; at least not at the level the subsidy says it is. In fact a lot of the "demand" is manufactured by ESPN just having the content, and there is nothing tangible associated to it.

If students were to decide sports aren't important and they don't want to pay to subsidize sports and start picking institutions that are cheaper for that reason...the house of cards built on quicksand comes tumbling down.

Last Edited: 8/13/2020 6:12:39 PM by ZIPsCAT

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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:48:41 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

Boom!!!! And some will play all year, and life will go on.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 6:50:44 PM

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Guess you can say the same thing of businesses that form around industries moving into town. The second they move out, they become unsustainable too. Are those a house of cards too?

I will bet a paycheck that college football will be back in 2021, and with as many members +/- 5 as they had last year at the FBS level. want that action?

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Posted: 8/13/2020 7:34:30 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Guess you can say the same thing of businesses that form around industries moving into town. The second they move out, they become unsustainable too. Are those a house of cards too?

I will bet a paycheck that college football will be back in 2021, and with as many members +/- 5 as they had last year at the FBS level. want that action?

Football will be back in 2021, the question will be at what capacity, and for that matter what will student enrollment look like.

And as to whether I understood the concept, I'm well aware. Just playing devil's advocate since it seems like a nonchalant thing considering the economic impact of gamedays missed will be felt this year for the businesses, along with Athens County for the students not spending their money down there.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 8:48:02 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

ZIPsCAT wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

Guess you can say the same thing of businesses that form around industries moving into town. The second they move out, they become unsustainable too. Are those a house of cards too?

I will bet a paycheck that college football will be back in 2021, and with as many members +/- 5 as they had last year at the FBS level. want that action?

I�m on BTC�s side here once again. He seems the voice of reason crying in the BA wilderness.

I�m not saying there won�t be some post-pandemic changes, particularly in the area of coach�s salaries. But, the gloom and doom camp seems doomed to ultimate failure to me!

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/13/2020 10:17:47 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Damaging? Maybe disappointing but as we learned in the spring and over the summer, life will go on.

I dunno. Some fans might be pissed enough to dump the game altogether. I swore off MLB after the '94 strike and haven't seen a game or cared about MLB since.

So as a former fan of MLB, do you feel damaged today?

I guess what I'm trying to say is perhaps this whole thing will put things in perspective.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/14/2020 8:55:12 AM

So with no sports, band, etc. this coming fall, does the student fee at OU get reduced by a comensurate amount for the first semester?

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Posted: 8/14/2020 9:44:17 AM

Got an email that Homecoming will be "virtual".

That sounds like lots of fun.

Guess people can pretend they're bar hopping uptown,watching a parade,football game and concert.

Anyone know if Jackie O's delivers to Northern N.J. ?

Last Edited: 8/14/2020 9:44:43 AM by rpbobcat

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Posted: 8/14/2020 10:33:50 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Are you sure that the description didn�t get cut off? It seems like �virtually completely unattended� might be a better description of homecoming this year

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Posted: 8/14/2020 11:00:19 AM

mf279801 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Are you sure that the description didn�t get cut off? It seems like �virtually completely unattended� might be a better description of homecoming this year

:-)

+1

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Posted: 8/14/2020 6:19:32 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Anyone know if Jackie O's delivers to Northern N.J. ?

I feel spoiled... Even up here in NEO their distribution is to the point now where I can walk into a random convenience store and there�s a very good chance they�ll not only have Jackie O�s of some kind but they might even have seasonal/limited run Jackie O�s cans for sale in addition to the mainstays

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Which would be more damaging to college football fans?

Posted: 8/14/2020 6:58:37 PM

Jackie O's former Brewmaster moved out to California and started his own brewery called Private Press. My understanding is it's all subscription based and done by mail. It's not exactly Jackie O's, but it's a Bobcat and damn good from what I have heard.

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