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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  Another one bites the dust OT
   Posted: 4/14/2020 11:04:05 AM 
UC just cut men’s soccer program. Cited “profound challenges and widespread uncertainty”
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 1:05:14 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
UC just cut men’s soccer program. Cited “profound challenges and widespread uncertainty”


This is only the tip of the iceberg me thinks.

A lot of "right-sizing" is going to happen and for those wanting cuts to athletics budgets all over, you're gonna get your wish in more ways than one.....
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 1:28:02 PM 
It wasn't a very good program and I think UC wanted to cut it for awhile. COVID-19 was probably the final straw.
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 2:42:58 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
UC just cut men’s soccer program. Cited “profound challenges and widespread uncertainty”


This is only the tip of the iceberg me thinks.

A lot of "right-sizing" is going to happen and for those wanting cuts to athletics budgets all over, you're gonna get your wish in more ways than one.....


Agreed
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 2:44:00 PM 
shabamon wrote:
It wasn't a very good program and I think UC wanted to cut it for awhile. COVID-19 was probably the final straw.


Well watch out OHIO has several that’s not very good. And a big deficit.
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 2:53:57 PM 
I would think that for Ohio, only football and men's/women's basketball are safe. Any other number of Title IX compliant scenarios could play out in the coming months.

Several of Ohio's Olympic sports bring up the rear of the MAC year in and year out so I can definitely see some going by way of men's track. Ohio does not field a team in numerous MAC-sponsored sports and that list may grow.

Julie Cromer and Co. will have some challenging work ahead of them.

Ohio-The State University
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 3:06:27 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:
I would think that for Ohio, only football and men's/women's basketball are safe. Any other number of Title IX compliant scenarios could play out in the coming months.

Several of Ohio's Olympic sports bring up the rear of the MAC year in and year out so I can definitely see some going by way of men's track. Ohio does not field a team in numerous MAC-sponsored sports and that list may grow.

Julie Cromer and Co. will have some challenging work ahead of them.



Aren't colleges required to have a minimum of 6 men's and 8 women's
teams to be D1 ?

We're at 6 men's and 9 women's teams.

Not a lot of room to cut,and stay D!.
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   Posted: 4/14/2020 5:04:30 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
I would think that for Ohio, only football and men's/women's basketball are safe. Any other number of Title IX compliant scenarios could play out in the coming months.

Several of Ohio's Olympic sports bring up the rear of the MAC year in and year out so I can definitely see some going by way of men's track. Ohio does not field a team in numerous MAC-sponsored sports and that list may grow.

Julie Cromer and Co. will have some challenging work ahead of them.



Aren't colleges required to have a minimum of 6 men's and 8 women's
teams to be D1 ?

We're at 6 men's and 9 women's teams.

Not a lot of room to cut,and stay D!



Right you are. Title IX is the bigger issue with 85 football scholarships in the mix.

NCAA Rules for Division I Schools

The NCAA sets standards for its member institutions to meet in order for a school to reach or maintain Division I status. These rules are set to ensure competitive balance and gender equity.

Also, there are specific rules for football and basketball. Because those are the sports that generate the most revenue, they're more closely monitored, and the disparity between the haves and have-nots in those sports is much greater.

Division I schools have to sponsor at least six sports for men and eight sports for women.

Each playing season (fall, winter, and spring) has to be represented by each gender.

For sports other than football and basketball, Division I schools must play 100% of the minimum number of contests against Division I opponents. Anything over the minimum number of games has to be 50% Division I.

Men's and women's basketball teams have to play all but two games against Division I teams.

Men's basketball teams must play 1/3 of their games in their home arenas.

Division I schools must meet minimum financial aid awards for their athletics program, and there are maximum athletic financial aid awards for each sport that a Division I school can't exceed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Another one bites the dust OT
   Posted: 4/14/2020 5:06:36 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
I would think that for Ohio, only football and men's/women's basketball are safe. Any other number of Title IX compliant scenarios could play out in the coming months.

Several of Ohio's Olympic sports bring up the rear of the MAC year in and year out so I can definitely see some going by way of men's track. Ohio does not field a team in numerous MAC-sponsored sports and that list may grow.

Julie Cromer and Co. will have some challenging work ahead of them.



Aren't colleges required to have a minimum of 6 men's and 8 women's
teams to be D1 ?

We're at 6 men's and 9 women's teams.

Not a lot of room to cut,and stay D!.





From an article I just read by Yahoo Sports:

A letter to NCAA president Mark Emmert from the Group of Five commissioners obtained by Yahoo Sports on Tuesday offers searing insight into both the financial constraints felt at that level and the potential for a landscape that could look much different when sports do return to campus. The fallout being discussed by those commissioners includes the potential elimination of postseason conference tournaments and shortened seasons in non-revenue sports.

The letter from the commissioners of the AAC, Mountain West, MAC, Sun Belt and Conference USA asked for alterations of NCAA bylaws in the wake of COVID-19 in order to save money. The letter asks for “temporary relief from several regulatory requirements for a period of up to four years” in order to provide “short-term relief.” The letter hopes that this relief will provide “opportunity for institutions to retrench and rebuild the financial structures of the institution.”

The requirements the conference commissioners asked for relief from hint at the fiscal peril of schools and leagues outside college athletics’ so-called Power Five. The most relevant among them is relief from the minimum number of “Sports Sponsorships,” as every FBS school is required to have a “minimum number of 16 varsity intercollegiate sports.”
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   Posted: 4/15/2020 7:43:24 AM 
When the system is under extreme stress, as it is now, never assume that any rule will not be re-examined.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 4/15/2020 10:35:18 AM 
"Potential elimination of postseason tournaments in non revenue sports." I am in the minority, but would like to see the MAC adapt this in all sports, with an exception. The top two schools after the regular season meet in a one game playoff. Something similar to what football does now. This way, the regular season is MUCH more important than what it currently is. They could rotate games between the east and west sites. It will never happen, but it makes each game count a little more in the regular season. The IVY League finally caved and now has four teams in the conference tourney, which is better than what the MAC does. At least the IVY League doesn't reward a team that is seeded 6, 7 or worse for not playing well in the regular season. Just my 2 cents.
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   Posted: 4/15/2020 10:53:04 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:


From an article I just read by Yahoo Sports:

A letter to NCAA president Mark Emmert from the Group of Five commissioners obtained by Yahoo Sports on Tuesday offers searing insight into both the financial constraints felt at that level and the potential for a landscape that could look much different when sports do return to campus. The fallout being discussed by those commissioners includes the potential elimination of postseason conference tournaments and shortened seasons in non-revenue sports.

The letter from the commissioners of the AAC, Mountain West, MAC, Sun Belt and Conference USA asked for alterations of NCAA bylaws in the wake of COVID-19 in order to save money. The letter asks for “temporary relief from several regulatory requirements for a period of up to four years” in order to provide “short-term relief.” The letter hopes that this relief will provide “opportunity for institutions to retrench and rebuild the financial structures of the institution.”

The requirements the conference commissioners asked for relief from hint at the fiscal peril of schools and leagues outside college athletics’ so-called Power Five. The most relevant among them is relief from the minimum number of “Sports Sponsorships,” as every FBS school is required to have a “minimum number of 16 varsity intercollegiate sports.”


Some random comments from some of the college wrestling sites when it comes to colleges being allowed the reduce the required number of D1 teams:

1.If the NCAA goes along with this,expect "temporary" to become permanent.

2.This proposal,if approved,could be the death knell for a lot of non-revenue D1 sports like wrestling.
Especially at colleges that don't have strong programs in those non-revenue sports.

3.Colleges with strong programs may try to keep them.
But,except for the B1G and possibly the EIWA,there would,as D1 programs are dropped, need to be major conference consolidation for wrestling.

4.The trend has been,when a college drops a D1 sport,to eliminate the program.
This might have colleges looking into going to DII or DIII for dropped D1 sports.

5.Reducing the number of scholarships in football from 85 to 60 would address a lot of budget issues.
But no one thinks this has a chance.


Last Edited: 4/15/2020 10:54:14 AM by rpbobcat
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   Posted: 4/23/2020 7:38:30 AM 
Yesterday,the commissioners of the remaining 22 D1 conferences, joined with the
commissioners of the G-5 conferences, and asked the NCAA to "temporarily" reduce the required number of D1 teams a school must have to be a D1 program.

That pretty much assures an O.K. from the NCAA.

As I posted,this could be the death knell for a number of non-revenue D1 programs.

The only possible positive,is that, with fewer D1 teams required to stay D1,schools could look into going to D II or even D III for some of those sports.
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   Posted: 4/23/2020 9:24:59 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
As I posted,this could be the death knell for a number of non-revenue D1 programs.

The only possible positive,is that, with fewer D1 teams required to stay D1,schools could look into going to D II or even D III for some of those sports.


I'm pretty sure Division I schools have to play all sports at the Division I level. Schools in lower divisions are permitted to play one men's and one women's sport up to Division I in certain sports. Hockey was one of the main cases where that happens.
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   Posted: 4/23/2020 10:09:29 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
As I posted,this could be the death knell for a number of non-revenue D1 programs.

The only possible positive,is that, with fewer D1 teams required to stay D1,schools could look into going to D II or even D III for some of those sports.


I'm pretty sure Division I schools have to play all sports at the Division I level. Schools in lower divisions are permitted to play one men's and one women's sport up to Division I in certain sports. Hockey was one of the main cases where that happens.


If the NCAA changes the rules for the number of D1 teams you have to have to be a D1,program,I would think they'd be willing to look at options to keep schools from completely dropping non-revenue sports programs.
This could include allowing DII or DIII during the proposed 4 year period for the "temporary" reduction in the required number of D1 teams.

As I posted,most people feel,"temporary" is going be permanent.


Last Edited: 4/23/2020 10:11:26 AM by rpbobcat
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   Posted: 4/23/2020 11:04:11 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
I would think that for Ohio, only football and men's/women's basketball are safe. Any other number of Title IX compliant scenarios could play out in the coming months.

Several of Ohio's Olympic sports bring up the rear of the MAC year in and year out so I can definitely see some going by way of men's track. Ohio does not field a team in numerous MAC-sponsored sports and that list may grow.

Julie Cromer and Co. will have some challenging work ahead of them.



Aren't colleges required to have a minimum of 6 men's and 8 women's
teams to be D1 ?

We're at 6 men's and 9 women's teams.

Not a lot of room to cut,and stay D!.



Colleges are required to sponsor 16 Sports to be Division 1.
Ohio sponsors 16 "sports"
Track & Field counts as two sports - Indoor and Outdoor

Bring Back Men's Track & Field

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   Posted: 5/2/2020 12:57:26 AM 
going to display my neandrathall tendancies, but title IX strikes me as asinine, especially for football revenue schools.

i think the net cost of the football program should be the key metric for title IX, not the cost-only (scholarship cost?) basis (or something similar) that it's based on now.
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   Posted: 5/2/2020 12:58:56 AM 
presumably as programs want to cut teams, NCAA will loosen the requirements to stay at division 1AA.... my description of the ncaa level might be off, but basically i mean the top level.
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smc22 wrote:
presumably as programs want to cut teams, NCAA will loosen the requirements to stay at division 1AA.... my description of the ncaa level might be off, but basically i mean the top level.


NCAA has already stated that the minimum requirements are still in place.
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   Posted: 5/2/2020 9:16:18 AM 
smc22 wrote:
going to display my neandrathall tendancies, but title IX strikes me as asinine, especially for football revenue schools.

i think the net cost of the football program should be the key metric for title IX, not the cost-only (scholarship cost?) basis (or something similar) that it's based on now.


I guess you don't have daughters or granddaughters that played/play sports.

Last Edited: 5/2/2020 10:29:56 AM by Alan Swank
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smc22 wrote:
presumably as programs want to cut teams, NCAA will loosen the requirements to stay at division 1AA.... my description of the ncaa level might be off, but basically i mean the top level.


You may want to take that up with the courts. Maybe you can make a solid case of reverse discrimination and bring down Title IX, may even be a book and TV deal in it that describes your plight against this gross discrimination.
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   Posted: 5/2/2020 9:21:48 PM 
Billy, when is that Peden and/or Convo sponsor deal going public? Is construction to expand Peden to 35,000 beginning soon?
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   Posted: 5/3/2020 8:53:35 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Billy, when is that Peden and/or Convo sponsor deal going public? Is construction to expand Peden to 35,000 beginning soon?


I hope so!! Not sure why they have delayed the release of the agreement for so long.
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