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Alan Swank
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Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/13/2020 9:32:22 AM

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/coron...

This quote from the article could lead one to believe that that may very well be the case: "Availability of on-campus housing will be reduced, and student athletes shouldn’t expect to resume regular sports before faculty and students return to campuses, White said."

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/13/2020 5:11:33 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

As I said on another forum, California fired a shot across the bowel of many schools across the nation.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/13/2020 5:17:28 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

As I said on another forum, California fired a shot across the bowel of many schools across the nation.

That is a gut shot.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/14/2020 11:15:21 AM

J.B.Hoy wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

As I said on another forum, California fired a shot across the bowel of many schools across the nation.

That is a gut shot.

Exceptional reply. :)

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/14/2020 2:47:51 PM

It's a visceral response.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 6:35:13 AM

Heard a story on the news this morning that OSU is developing a model for having around 20K spectators at its football games this fall.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 8:05:57 AM

Could be that we impose a restriction for the home side of Peden - season ticket holders only. On the student side, what a mess.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 9:51:35 AM

It's not so much out in the stands, in the hot sun and wind, where I think the virus might spread. It's under the stands, at the refreshment stands and in the rest rooms.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 11:03:15 AM

L.C. wrote:

It's not so much out in the stands, in the hot sun and wind, where I think the virus might spread. It's under the stands, at the refreshment stands and in the rest rooms.

Close restrooms. Install strategically located portapotties in the concourses. I say that in jest but should we be surprised if some school tries it?

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 1:05:56 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Close restrooms. Install strategically located portapotties in the concourses. I say that in jest but should we be surprised if some school tries it?

That's what they did in the parks in the area where I live.

Restrooms and water fountains are closed.
Porta Potties next to them.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 3:00:00 PM

I'm curious why it is that portapotties would be better off? Is the idea that they're less damp? Get more air flow? It would seem to me that the germ situation's no different and porta potties are so small that you're far more likely to come in contract with a hard surface.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 3:28:45 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Portables allow you to safely control ingress/egress and a better chance to maintain social distance. Easy to place sanitizer outside. You can safely clean them every few minutes and have visual supervision.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 3:37:17 PM

L.C. wrote:

It's not so much out in the stands, in the hot sun and wind, where I think the virus might spread. It's under the stands, at the refreshment stands and in the rest rooms.

There was talk that the NFL considered not selling beer at games in order to reduce the use of restrooms. I'm guessing the financial loss was too much to seriously consider the action.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/21/2020 3:42:17 PM

Joe McKinley wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

The metal troughs in Peden's restrooms aren't much better than portables anyway.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/23/2020 10:07:03 AM

According to today's paper, this now applies to all sports. I wonder how this will work at OU where the campus is closed to all non-essential workers.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/05/20/ncaa-college-footba...

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/23/2020 12:16:34 PM

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As noted in the article, it's up to each school and/or conference to implement. SEC is opening June 1; B12 is opening June 15; B10, whih is spread out over 11 states, is taking a hands-off approach, leaving it up to individual schools. In Ohio, the high schools can open for individual training next Tuesday, but it's up to each school. Haven't seen what the MAC is doing.

B10 media days have been cancelled.

Last Edited: 5/23/2020 12:43:18 PM by Pataskala

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/23/2020 1:19:25 PM

See below for a story on college towns facing problems.

It’s a similar story throughout Clemson, South Carolina, and in small college towns across the country, where paper signs taped to bar doors, retail windows and restaurant entrances announce they’re closed until further notice.

As states take steps to reopen businesses and restart the economy, merchants in college towns are only now entering their traditional slow period, even as they look ahead to a fall forecast clouded with uncertainty. With uncertainty around colleges' plans to reopen, experts warn merchants in those towns might face a prolonged slump that could mean “total devastation.”

Will students show up for college in fall? Community colleges offer a hint. It isn't pretty.

Before the closures, no one could have imagined that for Clemson’s 50-year-old downtown district. The football team’s run of championship contenders and a 30% rise in enrollment since 2010 propelled a surge on College Avenue after the 2008 economic recession and road construction that discouraged traffic through the area.

Now, the open parking spaces and empty sidewalks make it all too easy for business owners like Farish to imagine their towns in the absence — or at least a partial one — of the universities that are the lifeblood of the local economy.

“If there was not a Clemson University ... this would be a cow farm,” Farish said, waving to the walls covered in beer and football posters in his bar. “I mean, there was nothing here until the university was here.”

Cameron Farish, co-owner of Tiger Town Tavern in Clemson, shows a T-shirt he made to sell graduates through the Tiger Town Graphics website, since Clemson University's campus is closed from the COVID-19 pandemic.
Cameron Farish, co-owner of Tiger Town Tavern in Clemson, shows a T-shirt he made to sell graduates through the Tiger Town Graphics website, since Clemson University's campus is closed from the COVID-19 pandemic.
College towns: The new ‘company town’
Over the past 50 years, American universities have become economic goliaths, said Alan Mallach, a senior fellow at the Center for Community Progress who studies urban planning and growth.

It was over those five decades that universities really started to grow, fueled by major research funding and graduate programs, he said.

“But for a long time, it was kind of quiet, not an important economic factor,” he said.

As universities grew, towns became increasingly reliant on them for employment and business. New Haven, Connecticut, for example, was an industrial town in the 1950s with a university in the middle of it. Today, Yale University is the primary employer and economic driver in New Haven after the manufacturing all but disappeared.

College towns, Mallach said, "are extraordinarily dependent on the health of the university as a generator of the city's economic health."

Cities with high-level, four-year universities see an extra $265,000 a year economic boost for every student enrolled at the school, according to a 2015 study from the Brookings Institute. The result is a thriving but small, business-rich local economy with a highly educated and wealthy population. In Clemson, for example, the average home price is about $100,000 more than the surrounding county.

“College towns, not surprisingly, always stand out as these kinds of places that are doing far better than you would expect, because they have this secure employer there,” said Jennifer Mapes, a researcher at Kent State University who studies the economic impact of higher education on local economies.

In places like South Bend, Indiana, the nearby University of Notre Dame helps indirectly employ 7,700 people in the hospitality industry. Hotels and thousands of short-term rentals like Airbnbs are just one part of the $2.65 billion in annual economic impact in the region tied to Notre Dame.

Downtown South Bend, Indiana
Downtown South Bend, Indiana
Spring graduation ceremonies at Notre Dame alone provide an annual $17 million boost for the local economy.

“It’s our busiest weekend of the year,” said Kurt Janowsky, the owner of Navarre Hospitality Group. “Commencement is a four-day extravaganza. Our restaurants and catering are incredibly busy, so losing it is like a body blow to South Bend.”

A blow to students, too: Coronavirus stole our 2020 college graduation. We made our own.

But that tethered success in boom times can mean tethered failure when times turn bad.

Since Notre Dame's commencement is being held virtually, Janowsky estimated that he already has lost about $3.5 million in revenue at his four restaurants and his catering operations because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Even as universities across the country wrestle with the issue of how to reopen classrooms, they face deep concerns over the prospect of enrollment declines. On top of that, state budgets are strained, forcing some schools to look to furloughs or layoffs to stop the economic hemorrhaging wrought by the virus.

At the University of Wisconsin, most of its 3,500 employees will be furloughed six to eight days over the next five months. The University of Tennessee paid out $15 million in refunds to students. Clemson University told its board of trustees it could lose up to $100 million if classes are held online in the fall.

Students are weary of online classes: But colleges can't say whether they'll open in fall 2020

As losses mount and enrollment projections remain unclear, Mapes said the long-term impact on universities could change the fabric of higher education and the communities they are in.

“You're gonna see this decline in enrollment, which everybody is expecting,” Mapes added. “You also have potential staff cuts and faculty cuts that are going to reduce people who are living locally.”

Mapes likened college towns’ dependency on their universities to the Rust Belt cities that once relied on automotive manufacturers: “If a General Motors plant employs thousands of people and then it shuts down, that's it for that town. That's total devastation.”

Furloughs, layoffs
Public, four-year universities — already bracing for reduced enrollment over the next decade due to a decreasing college-age population — have become increasingly reliant on out-of-state and international students to make up for a decline in state support, Mallach said.

“This was not a really great business model to begin with,” Mallach added. “Now, obviously, while the university is closed, it's a disaster for the storekeepers.”

The board of regents at the University of Georgia approved sweeping furloughs that will cut higher-paid employees’ salaries by 10% and the overall budget by about 14%, according to Athens Online. Hundreds of professors, researchers and administrative staff will have less pay in their pockets, reducing their ability to spend at local shops and restaurants.

And even if universities can resume in-person classes in the fall, Mallach said expectations that local economies will be humming again by January are “profoundly unrealistic,” especially in college towns.

“(Recovery) will be potentially even slower than in other parts of the state or the country that have more diversified economies,” Mallach said.

The cancellation of summer camps, graduations and orientations means Clemson business owners have to “tread water until August,” while the nearby city of Greenville can get back up and running in a few weeks, said Jason Beaty, who owns a framing shop in Clemson.

Clemson fans gathered in downtown Clemson on College Ave. for a watch party where the Clemson Tigers football team's national championship game against LSU in New Orleans was broadcast Monday, January 13, 2020.
Clemson fans gathered in downtown Clemson on College Ave. for a watch party where the Clemson Tigers football team's national championship game against LSU in New Orleans was broadcast Monday, January 13, 2020.
Meanwhile, the city of Clemson is expecting a 75% decline in hotel revenue next month compared with last June, meaning a hit to tax revenue intended for the city’s parks and recreation programs, local chamber of commerce officials noted.

Looking even farther ahead, Mallach said all the unknowns about the virus and how it will affect university enrollment, athletics and employment could mean years before business gets back to pre-virus levels.

“If we look at it down the road in three years, with a lot of big ‘ifs,’ things could basically be back to something pretty much resembling normal,” he said. “It could be a very rough two, three years.”

Cameron Farish, co-owner of Tiger Town Tavern in Clemson.
Cameron Farish, co-owner of Tiger Town Tavern in Clemson.
But Farish, who’s owned and operated Tiger Town Tavern in Clemson since the late ‘90s, said downtown will weather this storm like it has the others before it.

“I remember the bad times with Clemson sports, where we weren't doing that great,” he said. “And the lean years during the recession … and then this happens.

“But we'll come back from it.”

Contributing: Athens Online reporter Lee Shearer

Follow Zoe Nicolson on Twitter: @zoenicholson_

Last Edited: 5/23/2020 1:22:04 PM by Bobcat1996

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/23/2020 4:06:17 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Will be just like local schools in Ohio, will be up to each individual institution. Which will be interesting, no word yet on OHIO’s status, but hopeful for late June. If not early July as was stated when they closed.

Last Edited: 5/23/2020 4:24:06 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/23/2020 10:00:49 PM

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Alan Swank wrote:

Hope so and then they can open the golf course.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 9:34:27 AM

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 10:11:05 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

tosu is opening things up on the 6th. What's the significance of June 22?

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 10:27:28 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

tosu is opening things up on the 6th. What's the significance of June 22?

It's my wedding anniversary! ;-)

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 10:36:42 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

tosu is opening things up on the 6th. What's the significance of June 22?

It's my wedding anniversary! ;-)

Prelim date, Ohio may open athletics facilities. Hopeful

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 11:33:24 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

tosu is opening things up on the 6th. What's the significance of June 22?

It's my wedding anniversary! ;-)

Prelim date, Ohio may open athletics facilities. Hopeful

For the golfers among us this is great news. If athletic facilities can be opened one would think that an outdoor facility can also be.

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RE: Possible beginning of cancelled fall sports seasons

Posted: 5/25/2020 5:16:15 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

At earliest the 22nd of June. More likely July 6th

tosu is opening things up on the 6th. What's the significance of June 22?

It's my wedding anniversary! ;-)

Prelim date, Ohio may open athletics facilities. Hopeful

For the golfers among us this is great news. If athletic facilities can be opened one would think that an outdoor facility can also be.

I would not get to excited.

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