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Whatever the case, could we see the return of Central's Jim McElwain back to Colorado picking up where he left off at Colorado State a few years back? https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state... / Last Edited: 2/12/2020 9:39:34 AM by cbus cat fan Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,336 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/12/2020 11:29:30 AM  Follow the money: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/d... / We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,998 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/12/2020 12:07:12 PM  Yeah, I am not so sure what is hard to figure out. Doubling of a $1.2 Million salary, but not only that, Michigan State has facilities that Colorado can only dream about, add in a better shoe deal and basic infrastructure with an ability to compete on a national stage. Now, there is work to do, but there is NO comparison to the two conferences and the two jobs. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/12/2020 2:12:47 PM  I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,174 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/12/2020 2:51:40 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference. Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job. Back to Top 87OU Alum General User Member Since: 12/23/2007 Location: Macomb, MI Post Count: 123 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/13/2020 3:08:36 PM  4th highest pay in the conference....13th in country I believe....plus a commitment to assistant money unlike anything the university has ever seen. It cost them but at least they were able to avoid the train wreck that was coming. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,354 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/15/2020 9:30:07 AM  87OU Alum wrote: 4th highest pay in the conference....13th in country I believe....plus a commitment to assistant money unlike anything the university has ever seen. It cost them but at least they were able to avoid the train wreck that was coming. I doubt they’ve avoided the train wreck, just delayed it. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,458 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/15/2020 8:27:05 PM  There are worse places to live and work than Boulder, Colorado. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,861 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/17/2020 2:56:10 PM  GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference. Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12? Ohio-The State University Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/17/2020 3:09:23 PM  OUcats82 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference. Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12? The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,174 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/17/2020 4:36:58 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: OUcats82 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference. Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12? The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back. The Big 12 had/has its own problems with Texas' Longhorn Network deal which pissed off the rest of the conference. But I believe some changes have been made to ensure other members get their fare share. Their issue is they won't be able to have a conference TV deal (like BTN or SEC Net) until the Longhorn Network deal is completed I believe. And they're still wishy washy on whether or not they're going to expand their current roster. Research facilities or not, the PAC 12 Network has been a complete bust when compared to what the Big Ten, SEC and now ACC have been able to pull off with theirs. Nobody can find the PAC 12 Network and it regularly has some of the conferences best games. The SEC and Big Ten are paying their members pretty much double what the Pac 12 pays theirs, and the gap is only getting bigger. This doesn't even get into the fact that the conference is hemorrhaging money due to a ridiculous lease in downtown San Francisco and outlandish spending by the commissioner. The Oregonian has been doing a great job covering this league and how they're being left behind: https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/... So I'm not sure Colorado would love to be back in the Big 12, because culturally I think they fit the PAC 12 better. But financially it's not looking good unless radical changes are made at the top. This article here shows more updated figures. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/04/the-pac-12-revenue... / Last Edited: 2/17/2020 4:54:46 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: TOS to Colorado    Posted: 2/17/2020 6:08:40 PM  GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: OUcats82 wrote: GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight. The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference. Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job. With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12? The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back. The Big 12 had/has its own problems with Texas' Longhorn Network deal which pissed off the rest of the conference. But I believe some changes have been made to ensure other members get their fare share. Their issue is they won't be able to have a conference TV deal (like BTN or SEC Net) until the Longhorn Network deal is completed I believe. And they're still wishy washy on whether or not they're going to expand their current roster. Research facilities or not, the PAC 12 Network has been a complete bust when compared to what the Big Ten, SEC and now ACC have been able to pull off with theirs. Nobody can find the PAC 12 Network and it regularly has some of the conferences best games. The SEC and Big Ten are paying their members pretty much double what the Pac 12 pays theirs, and the gap is only getting bigger. This doesn't even get into the fact that the conference is hemorrhaging money due to a ridiculous lease in downtown San Francisco and outlandish spending by the commissioner. The Oregonian has been doing a great job covering this league and how they're being left behind: https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/... So I'm not sure Colorado would love to be back in the Big 12, because culturally I think they fit the PAC 12 better. But financially it's not looking good unless radical changes are made at the top. This article here shows more updated figures. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/04/the-pac-12-revenue... / Not sure how invested the area compromising the PAC12 is concerning sports, as compared to professional sports and life in general. It is beautiful country out there, and my experience when I am there is that as a whole, people have other things they are more invested in than college sports. As for finding the PAC 12 network, it is rather easy to find on my Spectrum cable and I don't have any special packages. My guess is that the PAC 12 problems are more related to a culture that is vastly different than the one in which the Big Ten Network thrives. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 12  of 12 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 206 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 203 Guests 3 Registered Users:   bobcatsquared, Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame, jumper80 There are no other users looking at this page.

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