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   Posted: 9/24/2022 7:15:21 PM 

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What to do with Albin as the Head Coach?
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   Posted: 9/24/2022 7:48:32 PM 
Have to wait and see. While the in game coaching decisions were bad again today vs Fordham I want to see how we look in the MAC.

It's a wins and losses industry and we are 2-2 - winning the ones we should have. We're on schedule when it comes to the W-L record.

Looking into the crystal ball I only feel comfortable predicting one win: against Akron. Maybe we steal one on the road @Fiami or @Balls. Does 4-4 win him another year? Probably.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Shall Coach Albin Remain?
   Posted: 9/24/2022 10:49:00 PM 
People who consistently underperform at their job are (and should be) fired. Especially when there is a line of qualified applicants waiting to be considered. Albin must go 6-6. He lost all possible "style points" today. 4-4 in conference (which, given the MAC, is not a big ask) or he wii be replaced.
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   Posted: 9/24/2022 10:59:23 PM 
Any record above last year's record would lead me to keep him.

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   Posted: 9/24/2022 11:40:48 PM 
At the latest, I would can him at the end of the year, possibly before, and begin the search for a replacement now. At this point we'll be lucky to match last year's win total. Our defense is getting worse instead of better, and our offense won't see such a porous defense as Fordham's probably for the rest of the year. More importantly, Fordham out-coached us today, a trend that continues from at least the last three games. They shutout our offense for much of the second half (we had only the kick return TD in the 3rd quarter) and were a coach's headset throw away from trying a game-winning FG. (Just about the only instance of poor coaching they showed today.) After the first quarter we didn't stop their offense until it was almost too late.

It'll probably be tough improving on last year's record. Some of our MAC opponents look better than they did just a couple weeks ago. Kent was down by only 10 pts at #1 Georgia with 5:30 left in the 4th quarter today. NIU lost at #8 Kentucky today by only 8 pts, using an inexperienced backup QB (Lombardi should be back by Oct 22). MOFO beat NWern tonight. And inept Buffalo put up 50 on EMU, which beat Arizona St last week. At the moment, we might beat Akron, but we can't count on it. I would say that unless Albin somehow wins the MACCG, and maybe even if he does, he should be gone next year. He's not a long-term solution.

(In an earlier post in another thread I said I was done on this board for the season. That takes effect at midnight tonight. See you on the b-ball side.)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Shall Coach Albin Remain?
   Posted: 9/24/2022 11:41:19 PM 
Cellis033 wrote:
Any record above last year's record would lead me to keep him.


and that’s what i’m asking. win one more game in conference than last year. Conference is what matters - as we all know.
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   Posted: 9/24/2022 11:48:23 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
At the latest, I would can him at the end of the year, possibly before, and begin the search for a replacement now. At this point we'll be lucky to match last year's win total. Our defense is getting worse instead of better, and our offense won't see such a porous defense as Fordham's probably for the rest of the year. More importantly, Fordham out-coached us today, a trend that continues from at least the last three games. They shutout our offense for much of the second half (we had only the kick return TD in the 3rd quarter) and were a coach's headset throw away from trying a game-winning FG. (Just about the only instance of poor coaching they showed today.) After the first quarter we didn't stop their offense until it was almost too late.

It'll probably be tough improving on last year's record. Some of our MAC opponents look better than they did just a couple weeks ago. Kent was down by only 10 pts at #1 Georgia with 5:30 left in the 4th quarter today. NIU lost at #8 Kentucky today by only 8 pts, using an inexperienced backup QB (Lombardi should be back by Oct 22). MOFO beat NWern tonight. And inept Buffalo put up 50 on EMU, which beat Arizona St last week. At the moment, we might beat Akron, but we can't count on it. I would say that unless Albin somehow wins the MACCG, and maybe even if he does, he should be gone next year. He's not a long-term solution.

(In an earlier post in another thread I said I was done on this board for the season. That takes effect at midnight tonight. See you on the b-ball side.)


I hope you keep your word.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:15:39 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
Any record above last year's record would lead me to keep him.


and that’s what i’m asking. win one more game in conference than last year. Conference is what matters - as we all know.


That's setting a rather low bar, I would say.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 8:08:26 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
They shutout our offense for much of the second half (we had only the kick return TD in the 3rd quarter) and were a coach's headset throw away from trying a game-winning FG.


That's not accurate or fair.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 9:09:25 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
At the latest, I would can him at the end of the year, possibly before, and begin the search for a replacement now. At this point we'll be lucky to match last year's win total. Our defense is getting worse instead of better, and our offense won't see such a porous defense as Fordham's probably for the rest of the year. More importantly, Fordham out-coached us today, a trend that continues from at least the last three games. They shutout our offense for much of the second half (we had only the kick return TD in the 3rd quarter) and were a coach's headset throw away from trying a game-winning FG. (Just about the only instance of poor coaching they showed today.) After the first quarter we didn't stop their offense until it was almost too late.

It'll probably be tough improving on last year's record. Some of our MAC opponents look better than they did just a couple weeks ago. Kent was down by only 10 pts at #1 Georgia with 5:30 left in the 4th quarter today. NIU lost at #8 Kentucky today by only 8 pts, using an inexperienced backup QB (Lombardi should be back by Oct 22). MOFO beat NWern tonight. And inept Buffalo put up 50 on EMU, which beat Arizona St last week. At the moment, we might beat Akron, but we can't count on it. I would say that unless Albin somehow wins the MACCG, and maybe even if he does, he should be gone next year. He's not a long-term solution.

(In an earlier post in another thread I said I was done on this board for the season. That takes effect at midnight tonight. See you on the b-ball side.)


I hope you keep your word.



+1

Did I really read him state that Albin should go even if he wins a MAC Championship? Wow!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Shall Coach Albin Remain?
   Posted: 9/25/2022 9:19:22 AM 
If at the time of Coach Solich's arrival in Athens some 17 years ago, you took any one of the Top 10 Ohio high school football coaches and placed them on Coach Solich's staff, I can't imagine any one of them could have possibly started their head coaching stint nearly as bad as what we are witnessing now. It is one thing not to have any talent, it is quite another not to look prepared with what talent you do have. To have that many years to study at the feet of an accomplished coach and to perform the way we are perfoming now shows a complete lack of knwoledge of how to prepare and motivate players for games, something you have to do at the high school ranks to be successful.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 9:38:35 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
If at the time of Coach Solich's arrival in Athens some 17 years ago, you took any one of the Top 10 Ohio high school football coaches and placed them on Coach Solich's staff, I can't imagine any one of them could have possibly started their head coaching stint nearly as bad as what we are witnessing now. It is one thing not to have any talent, it is quite another not to look prepared with what talent you do have. To have that many years to study at the feet of an accomplished coach and to perform the way we are perfoming now shows a complete lack of knwoledge of how to prepare and motivate players for games, something you have to do at the high school ranks to be successful.


I call BS on the motivation argument. The team played hard and came back from an 11 point deficit to win the game. We just don't have the talent, particularly on defense. As to studying at the feet of a legend, this is the same legend whose team game up 4 blocked punts in a single game and consistently blew "easy" wins late in the season to kill title hopes.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 10:08:54 AM 
I call BS on our entire attempt to mythologize Frank Solich.

He's the definition of a mediocre coach. Not a single conference championship, schedules loaded with boring, low quality out of conference games to optimize for eligibility for low level bowl games.

We were never the best team in a low level conference. Solich was fired from a program that, at the time, was perceived as a national power, but has since been exposed as bumbling, poorly run, and will never regain its prior status.

We convinced ourselves that mediocre was good because our program sucks and basically always has. And now we're mythologizing Solich and trying to duplicate that "success" by pining for another cast off from a bottom half P5 program.

Time to move on from the Solich era. It's not a model that's worth trying to rebuild.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 10:57:15 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I call BS on our entire attempt to mythologize Frank Solich.

He's the definition of a mediocre coach. Not a single conference championship, schedules loaded with boring, low quality out of conference games to optimize for eligibility for low level bowl games.

We were never the best team in a low level conference. Solich was fired from a program that, at the time, was perceived as a national power, but has since been exposed as bumbling, poorly run, and will never regain its prior status.

We convinced ourselves that mediocre was good because our program sucks and basically always has. And now we're mythologizing Solich and trying to duplicate that "success" by pining for another cast off from a bottom half P5 program.

Time to move on from the Solich era. It's not a model that's worth trying to rebuild.



Who pissed in your coffee?

This is the worse take I have ever heard in 15+ years as a BA member. A dormant program getting its a** kicked by Northeastern and insert Solich and we beat Pitt first home game.

You have no idea what it means to play for Knorr and then turn around and play for Solich. Until then go take your medicine and have several seats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Shall Coach Albin Remain?
   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:21:19 AM 
I think in the short term with the MAC not being particularly strong this year Albin will probably beat last years record of 3-9 and also with a lot of Solich recruits still on the roster. The advantage also of a full year to coach the team over just a couple of months last year with Frank stepping suddenly down. A baby bump in talent in 2022 because of the pandemic helps.

Long term it doesn't seem like the answer and if 2023 is bad the excuse would be there to get someone new in for 2024 and the 12 team playoff so we can recruit to it. 2022 and 2023 are lame duck years with new conference lineups with the exception of the SBC.

I don't understand at least at this point why Ohio can't have recruiting class in the Top 3 of the MAC and Top 10 of the G5 every year. Not having an IPF was an excuse for a long time and the tower was recently remodeled. I assume the players lounge is in place at this point. New field looks great and of course academic center. Weight room recently remodeled with nutrition center. What is the new facility excuse?

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:29:18 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I call BS on our entire attempt to mythologize Frank Solich.

He's the definition of a mediocre coach. Not a single conference championship, schedules loaded with boring, low quality out of conference games to optimize for eligibility for low level bowl games.

We were never the best team in a low level conference. Solich was fired from a program that, at the time, was perceived as a national power, but has since been exposed as bumbling, poorly run, and will never regain its prior status.

We convinced ourselves that mediocre was good because our program sucks and basically always has. And now we're mythologizing Solich and trying to duplicate that "success" by pining for another cast off from a bottom half P5 program.

Time to move on from the Solich era. It's not a model that's worth trying to rebuild.


Solich was a "mediocre" coach?

He won over 75% of his games at Nebraska in his 6 years. And in 5 of those 6 years they were ranked in top 20 end of season. I imagine fans in Lincoln are still pissed he was fired as he did a good job following Tom Osborne.

He turned around a hapless program here in Athens.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:35:12 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I call BS on our entire attempt to mythologize Frank Solich.

He's the definition of a mediocre coach. Not a single conference championship, schedules loaded with boring, low quality out of conference games to optimize for eligibility for low level bowl games.

We were never the best team in a low level conference. Solich was fired from a program that, at the time, was perceived as a national power, but has since been exposed as bumbling, poorly run, and will never regain its prior status.

We convinced ourselves that mediocre was good because our program sucks and basically always has. And now we're mythologizing Solich and trying to duplicate that "success" by pining for another cast off from a bottom half P5 program.

Time to move on from the Solich era. It's not a model that's worth trying to rebuild.


Solich was a "mediocre" coach?

He won over 75% of his games at Nebraska in his 6 years. And in 5 of those 6 years they were ranked in top 20 end of season. I imagine fans in Lincoln are still pissed he was fired as he did a good job following Tom Osborne.

He turned around a hapless program here in Athens.



Widely believed across the MAC. Conference commissioner said as much to me over cocktails at a pregame party for the baseball all-star game in CLE several years ago. "For whatever reason, Solich can't seem to prepare his teams for games they should win easily. We're all waiting for him to win a championship but they consistently blow it year after year."

He's an OU alum, BTW.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:38:42 AM 
SBH wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I call BS on our entire attempt to mythologize Frank Solich.

He's the definition of a mediocre coach. Not a single conference championship, schedules loaded with boring, low quality out of conference games to optimize for eligibility for low level bowl games.

We were never the best team in a low level conference. Solich was fired from a program that, at the time, was perceived as a national power, but has since been exposed as bumbling, poorly run, and will never regain its prior status.

We convinced ourselves that mediocre was good because our program sucks and basically always has. And now we're mythologizing Solich and trying to duplicate that "success" by pining for another cast off from a bottom half P5 program.

Time to move on from the Solich era. It's not a model that's worth trying to rebuild.


Solich was a "mediocre" coach?

He won over 75% of his games at Nebraska in his 6 years. And in 5 of those 6 years they were ranked in top 20 end of season. I imagine fans in Lincoln are still pissed he was fired as he did a good job following Tom Osborne.

He turned around a hapless program here in Athens.



Widely believed across the MAC. Conference commissioner said as much to me over cocktails at a pregame party for the baseball all-star game in CLE several years ago. "For whatever reason, Solich can't seem to prepare his teams for games they should win easily. We're all waiting for him to win a championship but they consistently blow it year after year."

He didn't know me from Adam. I just approached him when I saw his MAC lapel pin.
I asked him who he thought were the league's best coaches. Frank didn't make the list.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:44:05 AM 
Fire him before the 110 post game playing of Alma Mater OHIO if OHIO loses to Zips on Homecoming.

Give him till the end of the season otherwise for an evaluation of the two years.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 11:55:57 AM 
Can we delete this thread and pretend we never saw it? I’m embarrassed for every take in here.

- Albin should be kept if he makes it to FOUR WINS.

- Frank was a mediocre coach despite being it’s all-time wins leader.

I can’t.

Delete this. All of this.
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:08:25 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Can we delete this thread and pretend we never saw it? I’m embarrassed for every take in here.

- Albin should be kept if he makes it to FOUR WINS.

- Frank was a mediocre coach despite being it’s all-time wins leader.

I can’t.

Delete this. All of this.


Frank was ONE loss from being the MAC’s most Losing coach!
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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:34:42 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Can we delete this thread and pretend we never saw it? I’m embarrassed for every take in here.

- Albin should be kept if he makes it to FOUR WINS.

- Frank was a mediocre coach despite being it’s all-time wins leader.

I can’t.

Delete this. All of this.


Happy to debate the point about Frank. I don't think it's a particularly hot take, and there are a whole lot of programs in FBS football that would agree. That we have been so bad that our bar for success is lower doesn't strike me as the great argument you seem to think it is.

63% overall winning percentage.
63% conference winning percentage.
0 conference championships.
A single 10 win season.
5-6 record in bowl games.

Did he perform better than any other coach at OU in the modern era? Yes. Are his results those of some legend that can't be questioned? Of course not. He racked up some volume records but didn't win anything meaningful. He got beat in big games consistently, recruited poorly, and found a nice, longterm home by being a mediocre coach at a program that had been atrociously bad before he arrived.

At the very least, his reign at OU isn't some shining city on a hill that we should ever aspire to. And the fact that a portion of our fanbase are too star-struck by a shitty Nebraska program to look critically at the last 15 years is downright silly.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:48:44 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:

Solich was a "mediocre" coach?

He won over 75% of his games at Nebraska in his 6 years. And in 5 of those 6 years they were ranked in top 20 end of season. I imagine fans in Lincoln are still pissed he was fired as he did a good job following Tom Osborne.

He turned around a hapless program here in Athens.



Yep, he was mediocre. He lost 19 games in 6 years at a Nebraska program that had lost 3 games in the 5 years before he took over. He was fired because the team got worse, at a rapid pace. He took over a program that had won 95% of their games, and in his 6 years in charge success was suddenly winning 75% of games. He underperformed Bo Pellini at Nebraska. Is Bo Pellini an excellent coach?

And yes, our program was terrible before Frank arrived. He raised the bar. But to pretend he raised it to a standard that anybody would consider excellent is non-sense. He won no conference championships, and won 63% of his games.

I know where the bar was. Solich was a good thing for our football program. But that some insist he's a legend says more about the sad state of our program than it does about Frank Solich the coach.

Question for the crowd: how many FCS schools have named their fields/stadiums after a coach who never won their school a championship?

I don't know the answer, but I bet I do.

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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:51:32 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:

Solich was a "mediocre" coach?

He won over 75% of his games at Nebraska in his 6 years. And in 5 of those 6 years they were ranked in top 20 end of season. I imagine fans in Lincoln are still pissed he was fired as he did a good job following Tom Osborne.

He turned around a hapless program here in Athens.



Yep, he was mediocre. He lost 19 games in 6 years at a Nebraska program that had lost 3 games in the 5 years before he took over. He was fired because the team got worse, at a rapid pace. He took over a program that had won 95% of their games, and in his 6 years in charge success was suddenly winning 75% of games. He underperformed Bo Pellini at Nebraska. Is Bo Pellini an excellent coach?


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   Posted: 9/25/2022 12:54:00 PM 
@CampusFlow

Your real answer here is not having enough restaraunts, malls, etc to attract top talent. And no players-only dining hall hurts too.

To get better recruits we have to beat P5s at home as well (in front of visiting recruits) That helped us in the past get better talent.

I really think we should look at transfer portal for DEs, CBs and safeties to improve in the short-term.

JMHO.

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