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OhioCatFan
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Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 1:50:18 PM

Beat Army!

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 1:54:24 PM

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 1:56:10 PM

Last Edited: 12/11/2019 1:56:44 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 3:26:08 PM

Who was that with the victory last year, Seaweed Breath????

"All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano.

rpbobcat
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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 3:42:43 PM

Go Army !

But this could be Navy's year.

Can't wait till it comes back to Metlife in 2021.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 3:58:02 PM

oldkatz wrote:

Who was that with the victory last year, Seaweed Breath????

And, who is favored this year by something less than 50 points, Vietnam Mud Breath?

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/11/2019 6:11:20 PM

I have spent many times in Annapolis. Our friends have sponsored a Naval Midshipman each of the last 10 years. This year it was Navy QB. I so enjoy the grounds, sail the Chesapeake and visit and eat at the many great seafood restaurants.

GO BLUE AND GOLD!!

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/12/2019 2:39:09 PM

I hear the Navy has never actually gone to war. They park about 500 miles from it and shoot things in its general direction, and outsource the real work to the Marines.

Go Army. Beat Navy.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/12/2019 2:43:40 PM

OrlandoCat wrote:

I hear the Navy has never actually gone to war. They park about 500 miles from it and shoot things in its general direction, and outsource the real work to the Marines.

Go Army. Beat Navy.

Marine = Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Essential

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/12/2019 2:49:36 PM

OrlandoCat wrote:

I hear the Navy has never actually gone to war. They park about 500 miles from it and shoot things in its general direction, and outsource the real work to the Marines.

Go Army. Beat Navy.

My late brother Gene would question your assertion. During WWII, while in the Navy, he was at Borneo, New Guinea and Okinawa. He was stationed aboard an LCP that drove onto the invasion beaches to provide covering fire for amphibious troops. The enemy did, of course, return fire.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/12/2019 4:50:33 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

OrlandoCat wrote:

I hear the Navy has never actually gone to war. They park about 500 miles from it and shoot things in its general direction, and outsource the real work to the Marines.

Go Army. Beat Navy.

Speaking of amphibious operations, do you know the largest such operation by U.S. prior to Normandy? If you do, you get an A+ in my online Civil War course.

It was the operation in November of 1861 in the Beaufort-Hilton Head Island corridor in South Carolina. The reason you don't hear much about it in the history books is that it was so massive and so successful that there were very few casualties (most on a Marine transport that sunk without hostile fire).

The U.S. Navy pulled into Beaufort harbor on the morning of 7 Nov 1861 and began shelling with a number of ships rotating in a circle in the harbor as marines and army were storming the beaches. The same for Hilton Head Island, except that the marines were not involved because of the mishap with the aforementioned transport. Though estimates differ, as the military records are somewhat ambiguous, it's estimated that the Federal fleet consisted of at least 18 warships with 55 supporting craft -- transports and supply ships -- led by Adm. S.E. DuPont

It was one of the few Civil War battles that involved the army, navy and marines in the same battle in a coordinated manner. Upon the appearance of this overwhelming armada, the Confederates simply fled. The locals to this day refer to it as the "great skedaddle." The only people remaining in the area were the blacks, who effectively became free immediately. This is why Lincoln left this area out of his exception list for the Emancipation Proclamation. Most areas of the Confederacy that were under Union control were exempt, because they were no longer "in rebellion." This area was not, so the blacks here, who had been living as free men and women for several years, were legally freed by the EP. There were a few other such areas, but in general the EP did not free any slaves in areas under Union control, including the border states. Strange irony, but that's another story.

The Union held that corridor for the rest of the war, and it was the staging area for much of the east coast blockade. If you visit HHI, you can still see the ruins of four Civil War forts there. The most interesting, to me, is Ft. Howell that was built by a USCT regiment to protect an African American village, Mitchelville, parts of which are still extant. The Old Fort Pub Restaurant is built on the grounds of another of these Union forts.

Aren't you glad that you asked? ;-)

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/14/2019 6:54:29 PM

Navy Wins!!!!

Start of a long winning streak, I hope!

NAVY BLUE & GOLD

Now colleges from sea to sea
May sing of colors true,
But who has better right than we
To hoist a symbol hue:
For sailors brave in battle fair
Since fighting days of old,
Have proved the sailor�s right to wear
The Navy Blue & Gold.

So hoist our colors, hoist them high,
And vow allegiance true,
So long as sunset gilds the sky
Above the ocean blue,
Unlowered shall those colors be
Whatever fate they meet,
So glorious in victory,
Triumphant in defeat.

Four years together by the Bay,
Where Severn joins the tide,
Then by the Service called away,
We�re scattered far and wide;
But still when two or three shall meet,
And old tales be retold,
From low to highest in the Fleet,
We�ll pledge the Blue and Gold.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/15/2019 10:58:51 AM

A tip of my boonie hat to you, Swabbie, for the record setting rushing and FINALLY stopping the Army winning streak. But, to utilize some of your favorite spin doctors' tools, Army finished second but Navy came in next to last.

"All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/15/2019 12:46:27 PM

oldkatz wrote:

Did you ever write stories for the Army Times? You have a certain skill set that shines though. I think you'd be particularly good at headline writing:

Army Scores First, Wins First Quarter
Navy's 31 Points Falls Short of Record

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/18/2019 1:03:01 PM

What was with Navy? Was this pay-back for something that was done to them during one of the last three straight Army victories?

They could see that Army had trouble getting first downs let alone any score and here goes Navy running their first QB with less than two minutes to go in an already blow out.

Way to go coach and get all the kids into maybe their only chance at the biggest game of their lives!

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/18/2019 3:31:09 PM

True story:

About 15 years ago Navy essentially implemented two red shirt years for football players. The first involved the the United States Naval Academy Prep School. Academically underperforming football recruits got admission to USNAPS and then got accepted to the Naval Academy at a statistically surprising rate of 100%. The second red shirt year they implemented came post graduation. Are you on O or D lineman who was too big to be commissioned? Well, good news, you get a year to drop that weight before you commission.

It wasn't until Jeff Monkon's hiring at West Point that Army implemented a similar policy. Not surprisingly, the rivalry went from extremely lopsided to 3-3 since.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 6:59:48 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Last Edited: 12/19/2019 7:00:22 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 12:40:38 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Yes, West Point's been sending kids to their prep school for years. But it was for students interested in West Point; not solely athletes. And USMAPS grads had to reapply to the academy just like everybody else and weren't held to a separate standard.

And frankly, if you go to a service academy, the federal government is investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in you specifically to train you to become an officer. I think it's fine if the rare athlete here or there defers service; I think it's a bit odd to have a room full of future officers cheer at the idea of deferred service.

Last Edited: 12/19/2019 12:43:52 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 1:00:29 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

The prep school approach is nothing new.

West Point has been sending kids to West Point Prep. since I was in college.

Back then it was primarily to improve your academics and get a taste of what cadet life will be like.

Of course a secondary benefit was an additional year of competition.

In wrestling,you not only competed against other prep and some high schools,
you could also compete in other "open" wrestling tournaments.

One problem the academies have had is recruiting players who had a legitimate shot at going pro,since you couldn't defer your military service after graduation.

There's been a push to allow kids who do go pro to defer their service.
Never went anywhere.
Finally,last week the President signed an Executive Order to allow deferred service.
Got a pretty good response when he announced it Navy's locker room.

Yes, West Point's been sending kids to their prep school for years. But it was for students interested in West Point; not solely athletes. And USMAPS grads had to reapply to the academy just like everybody else and weren't held to a separate standard.

And frankly, if you go to a service academy, the federal government is investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in you specifically to train you to become an officer. I think it's fine if the rare athlete here or there defers service; I think it's a bit odd to have a room full of future officers cheer at the idea of deferred service.

If you read my post it said "primarily to improve academics".

Guess I should have said "Of course,FOR ATHLETES . . .".

I was recruited by West Point when I was in high school.

I was told during a recruiting trip that it was unlikely I'd need to go to West Point Prep.

But it was also made clear that,if West Point wanted me to go to West Point Prep for a year,I was pretty much guaranteed admission to the academy.

From what they said during the Army/Navy Game,deferred service will only apply to a person pursuing a pro career.

As I posted,not being able to pursue a football or basketball career,hurt their recruiting.

The military teams in sports like wrestling,let you train and compete on the same level,or better,then "civilians" for the Olympics and World Championships,so they have no problem recruiting for those sports.

That wasn't the case for FB or BB.

Last Edited: 12/19/2019 1:09:09 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 1:35:32 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Realistically, it never will be. While kids at Alabama have two a days al summer and 'voluntary' workouts, Cadets are at Beast Barracks (which is the equivalent of basic training). They almost all lose weight and never get to touch a football/basketball. And while that's not the best thing for their potential football careers, they're being paid to become officers. So football and basketball should be secondary.

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 3:33:09 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

As far as I know,Beast Barracks is only when your arrive at West Point as a Freshmen.

That being said,West Point coaches have always said that their players,especially linemen,couldn't "bulk up" during summers.

Coaches from the Naval Academy have said that,with the exception of future Marines,their players' Summer duty were not as "vigorous" as West Point.
This allowed football players to get in some training,including gaining weight for the season.

Football,basketball,all sports actually,are secondary at all of the academies.

But after this announcement, several people involved with the Army and Navy football programs said this would act an incentive.
The Navy people said they had at least 1-2 people on their team,with a legitimate shot at the pros.

You start seeing 1 or 2 people a year go to the NFL from the academies make the NFL,they become that much more desirable to recruits.

Going back in time,who knows how much better Roger Staubach would have been if he joined the Cowboys right after graduation from the Naval Academy instead of after his active duty.

Last Edited: 12/19/2019 3:35:43 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Go Navy

Posted: 12/19/2019 4:39:35 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Yeah, Beast is just an example. First summer's basic training, but there's training every summer and it becomes more and more intense depending on your branch.

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