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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/14/2019 6:29:30 AM 
The Marshall plane crash.

This is one day We All Are Marshall.
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   Posted: 11/14/2019 9:21:10 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
The Marshall plane crash.

This is one day We All Are Marshall.


+[

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/14/2019 9:23:43 AM 
Hard to believe that most of the players would be in their early 70's today if the plane hadn't crashed. Next year will be the 50th anniversary of the event.
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/14/2019 10:14:25 AM 
If you've never seen the "Silencing Ceremony" on November 14,you should make the trip.
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   Posted: 11/14/2019 11:37:38 AM 
Thanks for posting this, rpbobcat!

We've made the ceremony several times in the past. Won't make it this year, but Good Lord willing, we'll be there for the 50th anniversary. It's hard to believe how long it's been. The memories of that horrible time are still so fresh in my mind. Though I remember lots of people on this day, the one I remember most is Jeff Nathan, the sports editor of The Parthenon, the student newspaper, of which I was co-adviser. This past summer as my wife and I were driving through Nevada, we stopped in Sparks, NV, where the other co-adviser now lives. His name is Tom McCoy. Tom told me how he has an old Marshall t-shirt from 1970 that he wears every November 14th. The only relic I have from that time is a RAM button (Rally Around Marshall) that was sold the first season after the crash. I have it pinned to a Marshall ball cap that I will wear today. My wife has one of these buttons, too, which she wears to every Marshall game we go to, except when playing OHIO.

If you want to learn more about Jeff Nathan, and have an opportunity to donate to the sportswriting scholarship in his name, see this Facebook page:
https://tinyurl.com/rpepv6m

Last Edited: 11/14/2019 12:03:47 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 11/14/2019 12:26:13 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Thanks for posting this, rpbobcat!

We've made the ceremony several times in the past. Won't make it this year, but Good Lord willing, we'll be there for the 50th anniversary. It's hard to believe how long it's been. The memories of that horrible time are still so fresh in my mind. Though I remember lots of people on this day, the one I remember most is Jeff Nathan, the sports editor of The Parthenon, the student newspaper, of which I was co-adviser. This past summer as my wife and I were driving through Nevada, we stopped in Sparks, NV, where the other co-adviser now lives. His name is Tom McCoy. Tom told me how he has an old Marshall t-shirt from 1970 that he wears every November 14th. The only relic I have from that time is a RAM button (Rally Around Marshall) that was sold the first season after the crash. I have it pinned to a Marshall ball cap that I will wear today. My wife has one of these buttons, too, which she wears to every Marshall game we go to, except when playing OHIO.

If you want to learn more about Jeff Nathan, and have an opportunity to donate to the sportswriting scholarship in his name, see this Facebook page:
https://tinyurl.com/rpepv6m


I was always surprised by the fact that several of the players including their Q.B. and the radio announcer came from this part of North Jersey.
In fact I believe both the Q.B. and kicker came from Lyndhurst High School.

Last Edited: 11/14/2019 12:32:19 PM by rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/14/2019 12:27:39 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
The Marshall plane crash.

This is one day We All Are Marshall.


+1. Nice post.


EDIT - I'd never watched it before, so I searched out a few clips. I admit I choked up when Doc Holliday spoke in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHY8gazMpw


Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Il3MaIgDA

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/14/2019 2:50:22 PM 
My wife and I were there in 2014 when the QB's brother was the Keynote Speaker.

Again,VERY moving ceremony.

One thing that was surprising was that the Student Body President kind of downplayed the importance of the ceremony.

He said the right words,but with the wrong tone.

A couple of people said he came across as "why are we still doing this ?"
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/15/2019 9:13:28 AM 
I'm friends with a sibling of a player who was killed in the crash. It's still very real and fresh all these years later for them.

Couldn't image experiencing such a tragedy that personally.

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 10:14:12 AM 
I was in high school and remember the shocking announcement that evening on Huntington’s WSAZ (Channel 3 in those days) pretty well. I have been trying to recall the names of the evening newscasters on that station who provided the initial coverage, but can’t seem to come up with them. Perhaps some locals on here will remember who they were. We only had two other channels (8 and 13) but they (especially 8, the CBS affiliate out of Charleston) did not have as good of a reception as Channel 3. I do think “Mighty Minford Falcons” Bob Bowen was the sports director.

A tragic irony to this is that occurred less than three years after the Silver Bridge collapse. Two terrible tragedies about 40 miles apart.
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   Posted: 11/15/2019 10:32:14 AM 

CatsUp wrote:
I was in high school and remember the shocking announcement that evening on Huntington’s WSAZ (Channel 3 in those days) pretty well. I have been trying to recall the names of the evening newscasters on that station who provided the initial coverage, but can’t seem to come up with them. Perhaps some locals on here will remember who they were. We only had two other channels (8 and 13) but they (especially 8, the CBS affiliate out of Charleston) did not have as good of a reception as Channel 3. I do think “Mighty Minford Falcons” Bob Bowen was the sports director.

A tragic irony to this is that occurred less than three years after the Silver Bridge collapse. Two terrible tragedies about 40 miles apart.


The news director of WSAZ was Bos Johnson. The "weather girl" was "DJ" Schroeder. You are correct about Bob Bowen.

I found this relevant quote in a Herald-Dispatch obituary for Johnson, who died in 2014:

It was his voice that repeatedly interrupted regular programming on the long night of Nov. 14, 1970, and his face that mirrored the sorrow felt by the community as he kept viewers informed after a plane crash that claimed 75 Marshall University football players, coaches and fans.

Johnson once said the Marshall plane crash was by far the “saddest” news story of his eventful career.

“I don’t really understand how I was able to do it now,” Johnson told The Herald-Dispatch…

Last Edited: 11/15/2019 10:59:56 AM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 10:44:30 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
I was in high school and remember the shocking announcement that evening on Huntington’s WSAZ (Channel 3 in those days) pretty well. I have been trying to recall the names of the evening newscasters on that station who provided the initial coverage, but can’t seem to come up with them. Perhaps some locals on here will remember who they were. We only had two other channels (8 and 13) but they (especially 8, the CBS affiliate out of Charleston) did not have as good of a reception as Channel 3. I do think “Mighty Minford Falcons” Bob Bowen was the sports director.

A tragic irony to this is that occurred less than three years after the Silver Bridge collapse. Two terrible tragedies about 40 miles apart.


The news director of WSAZ was Bos Johnson. The "weather girl" was "DJ" Schroeder. You are correct about Bob Bowen.

I found this relevant quote in a Herald-Dispatch obituary for Johnson, who died in 2014:

"It was his voice that repeatedly interrupted regular programming on the long night of Nov. 14, 1970, and his face that mirrored the sorrow felt by the community as he kept viewers informed after a plane crash that claimed 75 Marshall University football players, coaches and fans.



Johnson once said the Marshall plane crash was by far the “saddest” news story of his eventful career.

“I don’t really understand how I was able to do it now,” Johnson told The Herald-Dispatch…"


Thanks OCF! That’s what I was after. I do remember Bos Johnson. Wore glasses and not a big guy as I recall.
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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/15/2019 10:56:15 AM 
Let me add a personal note about Bos Johnson. I first interacted with him when I was a stringer for WSAZ as student at Ohio. Later when I was at Marshall, he was helpful when I established the broadcast journalism sequence at Marshall. When I left Marshall in 1974, they named Bos Johnson the head of the broadcast journalism sequence, so our lives continued to intersect in meaningful ways. Not too long before he passed away, I had reconnected with him via LinkedIn.

Oh yes, another reporter for WSAZ who covered the Marshall plane crash was Roger O’Neill, who later gained national fame with NBC news.

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  Message Not Read  RE: November 14,1970
   Posted: 11/15/2019 3:15:47 PM 
I never realized that Gene Morehouse "The Voice of The Herd" was a native of Newark, NJ. He came to West Virginia in 1949.

http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/memorial/staf...

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 3:21:37 PM 
WSAZ was a very innovated station. When NBC decide to do the Huntley/Brinkley
Report with one anchor in Washington and one anchor in NYC, officials from NBC came to Huntington to analyze WSAZ using the two newsrooms in Huntington and Charleston. The Today Show came to Huntington and broadcasted live for an entire week in the 1950's. You have to be in your 60's to remember that. LOL

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 3:29:49 PM 
Flat Tire wrote:
WSAZ was a very innovated station. When NBC decide to do the Huntley/Brinkley
Report with one anchor in Washington and one anchor in NYC, officials from NBC came to Huntington to analyze WSAZ using the two newsrooms in Huntington and Charleston. The Today Show came to Huntington and broadcasted live for an entire week in the 1950's. You have to be in your 60's to remember that. LOL


This is very true, and if you are just a little bit older, you remember when WSAZ was Channel 2, and not 3, with an incredibly powerful signal that could be received in Athens, and much of Southeaster Ohio, with just rabbit ears, especially if you lived on a hill and not in a valley.

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 4:42:40 PM 
CatsUp wrote:
I was in high school and remember the shocking announcement that evening on Huntington’s WSAZ (Channel 3 in those days) pretty well. I have been trying to recall the names of the evening newscasters on that station who provided the initial coverage, but can’t seem to come up with them. Perhaps some locals on here will remember who they were. We only had two other channels (8 and 13) but they (especially 8, the CBS affiliate out of Charleston) did not have as good of a reception as Channel 3. I do think “Mighty Minford Falcons” Bob Bowen was the sports director.

A tragic irony to this is that occurred less than three years after the Silver Bridge collapse. Two terrible tragedies about 40 miles apart.


Maybe a tragic coincidence but not irony.
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   Posted: 11/15/2019 5:39:18 PM 
SBH wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
I was in high school and remember the shocking announcement that evening on Huntington’s WSAZ (Channel 3 in those days) pretty well. I have been trying to recall the names of the evening newscasters on that station who provided the initial coverage, but can’t seem to come up with them. Perhaps some locals on here will remember who they were. We only had two other channels (8 and 13) but they (especially 8, the CBS affiliate out of Charleston) did not have as good of a reception as Channel 3. I do think “Mighty Minford Falcons” Bob Bowen was the sports director.

A tragic irony to this is that occurred less than three years after the Silver Bridge collapse. Two terrible tragedies about 40 miles apart.


Maybe a tragic coincidence but not irony.




Well...per Merrimack-Webster.com, in their "What's Irony" section about the word, there appears the following: "The word irony has come to be applied to events that are merely curious or coincidental, and while some feel this is an incorrect use of the word, it is merely a new one."
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Merriam-Webster.
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   Posted: 11/15/2019 5:45:42 PM 
And that's why I am defending irony. When irony is bastardized, we're doomed.

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   Posted: 11/15/2019 6:55:54 PM 
Flat Tire wrote:
I never realized that Gene Morehouse "The Voice of The Herd" was a native of Newark, NJ. He came to West Virginia in 1949.

http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/memorial/staf...


As I've posted before,a number of Marshall's players came from New Jersey.

One of the kids in my graduating class played for the Young Thundering Herd.

He wore #53 and, in We Are Marshall, you can see "him" blocking for a T.D.

Interesting story about WAM.
Since it wasn't a documentary,they couldn't use anyone's real name without
their permission.

To get that,they went so far as going door to door to locate one player.
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   Posted: 11/16/2019 8:55:38 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Flat Tire wrote:
I never realized that Gene Morehouse "The Voice of The Herd" was a native of Newark, NJ. He came to West Virginia in 1949.

http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/memorial/staf...


As I've posted before,a number of Marshall's players came from New Jersey.

One of the kids in my graduating class played for the Young Thundering Herd.

He wore #53 and, in We Are Marshall, you can see "him" blocking for a T.D.

Interesting story about WAM.
Since it wasn't a documentary,they couldn't use anyone's real name without
their permission.

To get that,they went so far as going door to door to locate one player.







I am very familiar with the events since I was a student at Marshall during that period. Ted Shoebridge, the quarterback for the team was a fraternity brother of mine and he was from Lyndhurst, New Jersey.

With all due respect, I am not sure if I understand the part of your post concerning the movie. If you are taking about the block that lead to the winning touchdown. That block was made by Jack Crabtree. Jack was not on the plane that crashed and played the following year on the Young Thundering Herd. I ran into Jack at Marshall game watching parties in Richmond, VA. The player with number 53 is listed as a middle guard and is from New Jersey. I attended the Xavier game.

"When the Herd lined up there were eight seconds on the scoreboard clock and by the time MU tackle Jack Crabtree cut down Xavier's Leo Burby the game was over. Burby, a defensive tackle, was the only man with a shot at the sprinting Gardner, and Crabtree, a sophomore from Tazewell, Va., laid him low."

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_plane_cra...


Here is a link to The Young Thundering Herd roster.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/herald-dispa...

I also have Ohio connections with a family member who was in the administration at Ohio, so I grew up attending Ohio games when I visited family in Athens. That is why I follow the Bobcats.

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   Posted: 11/16/2019 10:19:29 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
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Interesting story about WAM.
Since it wasn't a documentary,they couldn't use anyone's real name without
their permission. . . .


This would depend if the person was already a newsworthy figure or not. For instance, all the administrators, surviving football players, city officials, etc., were already mentioned in contemporary news accounts. There would be no need to get their permission to merely mention their names. Now, if you had someone playing their part in the movie, and making money off that role, that's a different legal issue. Permission would be necessary in those cases. Also, in the case of folks who had been otherwise anonymous at the time there could be privacy issues involved that would require signatures for a mere mention of their name.

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   Posted: 11/16/2019 11:53:46 PM 
Flat Tire wrote:


With all due respect, I am not sure if I understand the part of your post concerning the movie. If you are taking about the block that lead to the winning touchdown. That block was made by Jack Crabtree. Jack was not on the plane that crashed and played the following year on the Young Thundering Herd. I ran into Jack at Marshall game watching parties in Richmond, VA. The player with number 53 is listed as a middle guard and is from New Jersey. I attended the Xavier game.

"When the Herd lined up there were eight seconds on the scoreboard clock and by the time MU tackle Jack Crabtree cut down Xavier's Leo Burby the game was over. Burby, a defensive tackle, was the only man with a shot at the sprinting Gardner, and Crabtree, a sophomore from Tazewell, Va., laid him low."

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_plane_cra...


Here is a link to The Young Thundering Herd roster.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/herald-dispa...

I also have Ohio connections with a family member who was in the administration at Ohio, so I grew up attending Ohio games when I visited family in Athens. That is why I follow the Bobcats.


I don't know if you saw,but I'm from Rochelle Park,N.J.

Actually,the Roster you posted has the wrong name for #53.
As far as I know,his name is Bart Tarulli.
They did get his home town (Rochelle Park) correct.

Bart and I wrestled together in high school.

I knew he was supposed to go to Marshall to play football,but never spoke to him after we graduated in 1971.

So I didn't know if he went there or not.

I was told about Bart playing for the Young Thundering Herd and the block by Teddy Shoebridge's brother.

I spoke to him at the 2014 Silencing Ceremony,when he was the Keynote speaker.

I told him I was from northern N.J. too.
He asked where.
When I told him Rochelle Park,he said "you must know Bart Tarulli".

When I said I did,he told me the whole story.

I haven't seen the movie since.
But he said you can clearly see #53 making the block.





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   Posted: 11/17/2019 9:50:00 AM 
Below is link to the picture of the winning score against Xavier.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/240590805063916457 /

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