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Pataskala
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Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/10/2019 8:02:53 PM

They've been suspended from all non-academic group activities, but that apparently doesn't mean the homecoming parade or Saturday's game: https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2019/10/marching-11...

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/10/2019 8:35:20 PM

It does, however, apparently mean that there is no uptown drumline Friday night, a long standing tradition. I struggle with why that needs to be done, and feel like affecting homecoming traditions might be excessive in many of these cases.

Who knows, perhaps we'll see some 110 Alumni doing it?

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/10/2019 9:05:16 PM

Halftime show idea for Saturday.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/10/2019 9:23:30 PM

OU_Country wrote:

I guess pouring beer down the drummers throats while they�re playing at the bars is considered hazing.

Too many non-Bobcats in the administration. They just don�t get it. Time to clean house.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 3:18:14 AM

The Optimist wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

I guess pouring beer down the drummers throats while they�re playing at the bars is considered hazing.

Too many non-Bobcats in the administration. They just don�t get it. Time to clean house.

Clean House? They just got here! Enjoy the ride

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 8:05:26 AM

If you're going to fire a warning shot at the Greek community, you have to be consistent with other organizations. I have no doubt there's hazing going on within the 110 and it needs to stop.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 8:35:08 AM

Reading the thread on the "You know you went to OU" Facebook group has been entertaining. Lots of people not understanding what an investigation means or the difference between a student code of conduct and actual laws.

Some people however suggest there's some new employee somewhere who's in front of the suspensions for both Greek Life and the 110 other than Jenny Hall-Jones. Anyone know what that's about?

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 9:29:44 AM

SBH wrote:

If you're going to fire a warning shot at the Greek community, you have to be consistent with other organizations. I have no doubt there's hazing going on within the 110 and it needs to stop.

Not the 110.

But, at one time,hazing in college bands,especially in the Black Southern Show Bands, made frats look like kindergarten.

In fact,a few years ago, FAMU's Drum Major died from hazing on their bus.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 9:39:38 AM

shabamon wrote:

I had a dentist's appointment yesterday afternoon.

My dentist's sons went to a university where the Greeks were huge.

We had talked about their experiences,since my dad went there too.

He said while his sons,both Greeks,(don't know what frat) were undergrads,there was a big push by the Administration to try to "shut down" (his words) all frats and sororities.

Mentioned what happened at O.U.

He said his sons have been telling him that,based on what they hear from their Frat's National Organization,there is a big push against Greeks throughout the country,especially members of the IFC.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 10:39:43 AM

shabamon wrote:

Some people however suggest there's some new employee somewhere who's in front of the suspensions for both Greek Life and the 110 other than Jenny Hall-Jones. Anyone know what that's about?

Ariel Tarosky started in July, this is her first semester on campus. https://www.ohio.edu/student-affairs/news/new-sfl-director

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 1:52:50 PM

SBH wrote:

If you're going to fire a warning shot at the Greek community, you have to be consistent with other organizations. I have no doubt there's hazing going on within the 110 and it needs to stop.

There may well be things that need resolved. For me, doing things that result in the loss of some Homecoming traditions is a bad move no matter what. Want to piss off some Alums who donate? Screw with Homecoming traditions. See: Moving the parade off Court Street, as an example.

A better move might be to publicly state every organization, and everyone involved in them should be on alert, because we're investigating all of your practices. Clean up your act, or get suspended/expelled immediately.

Another question: This seems like it's in response to an event from last November - yes? No? If so, why wait nearly a year to do some of this?

My two cents anyway. I'm not an alumnus of any fraternity by design, so I don't know what goes on during initiations. Some of it isn't a big deal, some of it probably is. Students dying as a consequence should result in permanent suspension of all parties involved with a one-time option to reinstate. No second get out of jail free card.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 6:38:27 PM

I read that the 110 will continue to perform, because members receive course credit for being in the band.

If that is the case, then why not simply give the offending members a failing grade and dismiss them from the band if their conduct is unacceptable?

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/11/2019 11:24:10 PM

Long Train Runnin' wrote:

Bingo! Character should matter. Essentially no punishment.

Last Edited: 10/11/2019 11:24:33 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/12/2019 12:41:58 AM

ChiCat2018 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Some people however suggest there's some new employee somewhere who's in front of the suspensions for both Greek Life and the 110 other than Jenny Hall-Jones. Anyone know what that's about?

Ariel Tarosky started in July, this is her first semester on campus. https://www.ohio.edu/student-affairs/news/new-sfl-director

I see in her bio that she spent some time at Coastal Carolina. I believe they had a scandal there a few years ago where either the cheerleaders or dance team were operating a prostitution ring.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/12/2019 9:02:50 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

ChiCat2018 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Some people however suggest there's some new employee somewhere who's in front of the suspensions for both Greek Life and the 110 other than Jenny Hall-Jones. Anyone know what that's about?

Ariel Tarosky started in July, this is her first semester on campus. https://www.ohio.edu/student-affairs/news/new-sfl-director

I see in her bio that she spent some time at Coastal Carolina. I believe they had a scandal there a few years ago where either the cheerleaders or dance team were operating a prostitution ring.

that was years after she left Coastal. and we call that �sharing your cousin� here in the south.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/16/2019 8:37:33 AM

SBH wrote:

If you're going to fire a warning shot at the Greek community, you have to be consistent with other organizations. I have no doubt there's hazing going on within the 110 and it needs to stop.

No doubt? Video evidence? Are you a witness? Seems like you're lofting assumptions here.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/16/2019 8:47:00 AM

I have friends who have had sons, daughters in the 110. There's some hazing. It wasn't terribly serious in their cases, but there is hazing.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/16/2019 8:59:05 AM

SBH wrote:

I have friends who have had sons, daughters in the 110. There's some hazing. It wasn't terribly serious in their cases, but there is hazing.

As I've posted,I was at O.U. in the 70's,when fraternity hazing was brutal.

Just to give a bit if perspective,would it be possible for you to post what their hazing involved ?

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/16/2019 9:09:51 AM

Standing at attention in the mud of the Hocking for an hour. In another case, serving as a "slave" to their unit leaders. In some cases, it was all in good fun. In others, less so.

Last Edited: 10/16/2019 9:33:22 AM by SBH

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/16/2019 9:53:46 AM

SBH wrote:

Standing at attention in the mud of the Hocking for an hour. In another case, serving as a "slave" to their unit leaders. In some cases, it was all in good fun. In others, less so.

Thanks

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/18/2019 10:18:34 AM

None of this is helping Ohio�s image. It may go on everywhere, but it�s not out in the open like it is now at Ohio. In spite of what they say, not all publicity is good.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/18/2019 10:03:51 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

None of this is helping Ohio�s image. It may go on everywhere, but it�s not out in the open like it is now at Ohio. In spite of what they say, not all publicity is good.

There are those -- especially in some of the Columbus media -- who will make a huge issue out of anything bad that happens at Ohio. There's not much that can be done about that.

But as a parent whose son is involved in a couple of club sports at Ohio, I'm damn glad that hazing isn't being tolerated at Ohio. I'd rather hear that some organizations are being suspended than to hear that some kid was hurt or killed in a hazing. I'm sure most parents will view it as the university looking out for their child's well-being.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/18/2019 11:01:19 PM

Last week my wife and my and son were at a family gathering in Columbus, and all of the relatives were asking them about the hazing accusations. Everyone thought something really bad must be going on.

My wife and I were back in Cowtown yesterday and this morning. I had a board meeting that I had to attend. We were asked several times about all the hazing going on at OHIO. The impression was that we have a "hazing epidemic" going on down here.

This afternoon my wife met with some sorority sisters who were having a small reunion here in Athens. They wanted to know what the infractions were, but nobody knew and there was great puzzlement over the whole situation. Again, the impression was of a situation that was out of control.

As colorado said, this publicity ain't good. Regardless of the underlying facts, it's clear that by sweeping with such a broad brush that many reputations have been tarnished unfairly, which ones it is unclear at this point.

Bottom line, this has not handled well by the university. As my wife just said, as I was reading this post to her, with a little sarcasm and some hyperbole: "Want to rush a Greek group, you ain't going here. Want to join a business fraternity, you ain't going here. Want to go out for a club sport, you'll find another school."

Unfortunately, It may take a long time to recover the damage that's been done. What's sad is that it didn't have to be this way. If they had evidence that in a particular case there was hazing that might be potentially life threatening, you focus your efforts on that situation, you don't tar everyone with the same brush -- all fraternities, several sororities, academic fraternities, a club sport, and the marching band. IF there was hazing going on in all of these groups, it certainly wasn't of equal magnitude. Yet, the approach the university has taken gives that impression, especially to those in other areas around the state that hear only scattered news reports.

Last Edited: 10/18/2019 11:02:41 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/19/2019 6:51:23 PM

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I still believe that the hazing allegations in the 110 should be handled as a completely different situation from the allegations in the fraternities and sororities. The Greek organizations are independent groups who have to submit to the university's authority in order to maintain their affiliations. If they violate that agreement, then they can and should be suspended.

The 110, on the other hand, are a completely different situation. The university has stated that the band will continue to perform at official university functions (such as football games and the Homecoming Parade) because Marching Band is a course for which the band members receive credit. This gives the university leverage that it seems they aren't using.

The university should investigate the allegations of hazing by members of the 110, and if they are found to be severe enough to warrant action, then the offending student or students should receive an F for the course and be dismissed from the band. That way, members of the 110 who were innocent of any wrongdoing wouldn't have their reputations sullied.

(Now I freely admit that this might be a simplistic view, and maybe there is a reason why it can't be handled this way. But if that is the case, then I would like to hear why.)

Something else on which I have not heard any comment: Will there be any repercussions for the band directors? I'm not saying there should or should not be, but ultimately they are responsible for the conduct of the people put under their charge. If the administration thinks the actions are bad enough to suspend the organization, then it would seem logical that the leadership of that group will likely have to answer for it in some way.

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RE: Hazing probe hits the 110

Posted: 10/20/2019 9:37:41 AM

Long Train Runnin' wrote:

Something else on which I have not heard any comment: Will there be any repercussions for the band directors? I'm not saying there should or should not be, but ultimately they are responsible for the conduct of the people put under their charge. If the administration thinks the actions are bad enough to suspend the organization, then it would seem logical that the leadership of that group will likely have to answer for it in some way.

First off,in the current environment,it seems any allegation of hazing,against any organization,is going to result in a "cease and desist" order.

I think any action against the band directors depends on several things:

1.Were they aware of anything that could be considered hazing ?
For example lets say the tubas had a get together off campus and did
something considered hazing.

Unless a complaint is made,how could the band directors know ?

2.How was the hazing complaint made ?
Did a 110 member go to the band directors,make the hazing complaint and they reported it ?
If so,they followed O.U. Policy.

3.What actually happened ?

Till this comes out,there's no way to know if/what action may or may no be warranted.

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