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Topic: Just like the 2011 game?

Topic: Just like the 2011 game?

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L.C.
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Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/13/2019 4:49:58 PM

In 2011, Ohio had a big lead over NIU, and then went into a prevent defense. NIU got comfortable, gained confidence, and then was a different team in the second half.

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/13/2019 6:39:48 PM

L.C. wrote:

In 2011, Ohio had a big lead over NIU, and then went into a prevent defense. NIU got comfortable, gained confidence, and then was a different team in the second half.

I am not sure you understand what a prevent is

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/13/2019 7:34:28 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

L.C. wrote:

In 2011, Ohio had a big lead over NIU, and then went into a prevent defense. NIU got comfortable, gained confidence, and then was a different team in the second half.

I am not sure you understand what a prevent is

The DBs and linebackers all take deep drops to prevent being beaten deep, and you rush 3-4 players. The result is that the middle of the field is usually open for shorter throws in the 10-15 yard range, and since there are usually 6 blockers on 3-4 rushers, the QB has ample time to throw.

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/13/2019 8:09:54 PM

L.C. wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

L.C. wrote:

In 2011, Ohio had a big lead over NIU, and then went into a prevent defense. NIU got comfortable, gained confidence, and then was a different team in the second half.

I am not sure you understand what a prevent is

Not really, but nice try.

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/14/2019 8:54:37 AM

Doesn't "prevent" defense mean prevent a victory?

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/14/2019 10:44:11 AM

Prevent is Cover 4 and then turns to man after 15 yards. But each DB has a 1/4 of the field for thr first 15 yards. That defense is wearing out as teams are throwing quick passes now.

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/14/2019 8:04:10 PM

ExCat21 wrote:

Prevent is Cover 4 and then turns to man after 15 yards. But each DB has a 1/4 of the field for thr first 15 yards. That defense is wearing out as teams are throwing quick passes now.

L.C.
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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/17/2019 1:44:40 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

ExCat21 wrote:

Prevent is Cover 4 and then turns to man after 15 yards. But each DB has a 1/4 of the field for thr first 15 yards. That defense is wearing out as teams are throwing quick passes now.

OK, now that we have established this, given that Ohio is in the Cover 4 as their base defense, when they cease playing corners aggressively and attacking at the line of scrimmage, and the back the corners 10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage, how does the result vary from a Prevent defense?

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L.C.
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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/24/2019 5:14:58 PM

I went back and watched the condensed version of this year's Ohio-Pitt game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9QQm1GI-I

In theory, Ohio's defense is patterned after Pat Narduzzi's aggressive Cover 4, so it was interesting to see how much the defenses were different. On virtually every play, Narduzzi had his corners up at the line of scrimmage, pressuring the receivers right from the start, keeping them from getting a clean start to their routes. Ohio lined up that way sometimes, but more often Ohio's defensive backs are lined up 6-10 yards off the receivers. Narduzzi, in his press conference before that game commented that Ohio had come to learn about the defense from him, but that Ohio was doing some things that he doesn't do, and that he wondered why.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/25/2019 12:33:34 PM

L.C. wrote:

probably because Narduzzi was working with better athletes covering guys they could aggressively cover. Where as OHIO is working with athletes that are not better across the board than other athletes and need to loosen up a tad against some teams.

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RE: Just like the 2011 game?

Posted: 10/26/2019 6:32:23 PM

Newsflash, I believe the receivers our Corners are lining up against aren’t all P5 athlete level or they would not be playing in the MAC. They are probably very similar in skill level to our players which is why they are playing in the MAC. So, why not play the defense the way Narduzzi designed it?

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