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   Posted: 10/13/2019 8:18:18 AM 
I could be wrong and I have no way of knowing without seeing the internal Bobcat Attack numbers. However, judging from the amount of posts, interest etc. are fewer people interested in Bobcat football, athletics in general etc? We had high hopes which obviously are not panning out and yet it doesn't seem to have generated a great deal of upheaval on the board. Are people tuning out, or looking forward to basketball? I assume basketball numbers were down last year and I would hope there would be a greater interest on the basketball side of the board in a month or two. I am just throwing it out there because I assume this could be a trend across the entire sports spectrum. The question is are people moving away from message boards because either they are tired of a lot of negative discourse in society in general, and or they feel they have stated their views and either just view without commenting, or just tune it out all together. Just curious if anyone has a good handle on what is happening?
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   Posted: 10/13/2019 9:11:55 AM 
Interest is certainly waning.

Just look at the stands for both teams.

Basketball attendance last couple years have been putrid.

Homecoming wasn't even close to sold out for a picture perfect 330p Saturday kickoff vs one the best MAC programs.

The on the field products for each have grown somewhat stale.

Basketball made a change, hopefully for the better. Results will tell over time. Can't judge Boals in year one for sure.

Football, even for their standards, is way off this year. The traditional 8-4, 5-3 year isn't happening. And even if it did, people have grown somewhat bored with it. Rinse, wash, repeat the last 10+ years.

That's not taking for granted where this program was 20 yrs ago ... so please don't begin that dumb argument.

And yes ... attendance across the country for CFB is down ... but filling a 24k stadium for four Saturdays a year shouldn't be that difficult. I think some are just disinterested in watching the same show on repeat
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   Posted: 10/13/2019 9:48:01 AM 
Went to the game yesterday with an old friend. At game time, hundreds of people were content to just stay at their tailgate and visit with friends. A four hour commitment to sit on hard seats is becoming a thing of the past. The endzone plaza is a great addition but the vast majority of folks down there were very casual fans. The times have changed and will continue to. For many folks, it's just not that important any longer.

Highlight of the day - the band playing Freebird. People will remember this halftime show for many years to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_7pV4XCBG4

Last Edited: 10/13/2019 10:02:04 AM by Alan Swank
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   Posted: 10/13/2019 12:04:55 PM 
Who has disposable income anymore for all of this, despite some of us older individuals who have not been devastated by collapsing housing markets, corporate downsizing, or healthcare related issues? There was a time when a University degree would land you a good job, a nice pension, and a good retirement plan, but now it just seems to put young people in frustrating debt and without a guaranteed job to foster any loyalty. How many students these days have the luxury of having free time between classes to completely enjoy the college experience? I would think younger people are having to work part-time jobs or are feeling pressured to get through their education quicker as educational costs triple and quadruple. Besides, the cable sports packages available and high definition televisions that one can see all this through -- if one can afford such things that is -- is turning out to be even better than the live experience itself. Besides, in an Iphone world, who talks to anyone anymore anyway?
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   Posted: 10/13/2019 12:50:21 PM 
Keep in mind message boards in general are falling out of style too, as no young people are joining them, they use social media. Couple that with older members losing interest, or dying, and it all makes the traffic drop fast. I’m on 2 other boards, and I use all of them WAY less than I used to (mix of waning interest and having kids). Most all are down to a small core audience.

But generally, another below expectation year is surely not helping. The demographic issues I mention above are bad enough.

Last Edited: 10/13/2019 12:50:58 PM by ts1227
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   Posted: 10/13/2019 3:33:50 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
Keep in mind message boards in general are falling out of style too, as no young people are joining them, they use social media. Couple that with older members losing interest, or dying, and it all makes the traffic drop fast. I’m on 2 other boards, and I use all of them WAY less than I used to (mix of waning interest and having kids). Most all are down to a small core audience.

But generally, another below expectation year is surely not helping. The demographic issues I mention above are bad enough.

Correct. If you visit any opposing team message boards, they have almost no posts on them at all. Interest may be waning, but even if it wasn't, message board activity would still be falling.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 10/14/2019 4:53:39 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
Keep in mind message boards in general are falling out of style too, as no young people are joining them, they use social media. Couple that with older members losing interest, or dying, and it all makes the traffic drop fast. I’m on 2 other boards, and I use all of them WAY less than I used to (mix of waning interest and having kids). Most all are down to a small core audience.

But generally, another below expectation year is surely not helping. The demographic issues I mention above are bad enough.


It sure would help things if this site wasn't such a nightmare on mobile. This is probably the only website I come across anymore that isn't mobile responsive.
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 7:23:32 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Went to the game yesterday with an old friend. At game time, hundreds of people were content to just stay at their tailgate and visit with friends. A four hour commitment to sit on hard seats is becoming a thing of the past. The endzone plaza is a great addition but the vast majority of folks down there were very casual fans. The times have changed and will continue to. For many folks, it's just not that important any longer.


A chance to socialize is about all it is in college football, even with 4 and 5 figure ticket donors at SEC schools. Interest in getaway weekends for events continues to exist so if someone will commit to spending a weekend in Athens tying up a few hours at a football game isn't a bad way to go. Was there a turnstile count this year at Ohio Brew Week? There wasn't but I didn't hear anything about a decline of attendance over past years. Smaller family sizes and less Ohio HS football players. Smaller family sizes and more disposable income to travel.

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   Posted: 10/15/2019 8:54:34 AM 
Maddog13 wrote:
Who has disposable income anymore for all of this, despite some of us older individuals who have not been devastated by collapsing housing markets, corporate downsizing, or healthcare related issues? There was a time when a University degree would land you a good job, a nice pension, and a good retirement plan, but now it just seems to put young people in frustrating debt and without a guaranteed job to foster any loyalty. How many students these days have the luxury of having free time between classes to completely enjoy the college experience? I would think younger people are having to work part-time jobs or are feeling pressured to get through their education quicker as educational costs triple and quadruple. Besides, the cable sports packages available and high definition televisions that one can see all this through -- if one can afford such things that is -- is turning out to be even better than the live experience itself. Besides, in an Iphone world, who talks to anyone anymore anyway?


I'd say I fall into this camp to a degree.

Was planning on coming to Homecoming with my preschool aged son and Dad (who loved visiting me in Athens as much as I did living there for 4 years). When I did the math that it would be about a $250+ day trip it just wasn't worth it for me-especially when my 4 year old maybe could have lasted for the first quarter of the game.

Given the way the defense played in the 2nd half of the game-it was bad enough having to witness that for free over my phone-let alone having dropped about $150 to see it in person.

Frank ball has gotten a little long in the tooth for me, too. Everytime I hear the "Dean of MAC Coaches" or other such language it kind of makes my eyes roll anymore. Someone with such a long standing program shouldn't have such a sad sack defense.

Add in the fact that while I think the alumni base has a tremendous amount of love for Ohio University, I think it is a much smaller percentage who have the same love for Ohio Athletics-mainly because it is a small-time program in a lower tier conference.

I won't speak for everyone else, but there are times where I have deja vu being on here as I feel like we have had the same conversations most seasons ever since Frank was hired. Some days I just don't have the interest debating on if Frank should move on, how bad the secondary is, why the Bobcats lost to some team they had no business losing to, why there was a bad collapse etc.

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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 8:56:50 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Went to the game yesterday with an old friend. At game time, hundreds of people were content to just stay at their tailgate and visit with friends. A four hour commitment to sit on hard seats is becoming a thing of the past. The endzone plaza is a great addition but the vast majority of folks down there were very casual fans. The times have changed and will continue to. For many folks, it's just not that important any longer.


A chance to socialize is about all it is in college football, even with 4 and 5 figure ticket donors at SEC schools.


So if that's all it is, that makes it even more difficult to justify $1000 a year per student in fees to put on this party.
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 2:56:55 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Interest is certainly waning.

Just look at the stands for both teams.

Basketball attendance last couple years have been putrid.

Homecoming wasn't even close to sold out for a picture perfect 330p Saturday kickoff vs one the best MAC programs.

The on the field products for each have grown somewhat stale.

Basketball made a change, hopefully for the better. Results will tell over time. Can't judge Boals in year one for sure.

Football, even for their standards, is way off this year. The traditional 8-4, 5-3 year isn't happening. And even if it did, people have grown somewhat bored with it. Rinse, wash, repeat the last 10+ years.

That's not taking for granted where this program was 20 yrs ago ... so please don't begin that dumb argument.

And yes ... attendance across the country for CFB is down ... but filling a 24k stadium for four Saturdays a year shouldn't be that difficult. I think some are just disinterested in watching the same show on repeat


Agreed - my interest in Frank Ball has waned significantly. I'm to the point where I come down for the tailgating and leave after the 110 50% of the time. While the offense was entertaining a year ago, the product on the field isn't as entertaining by a long shot this year.

My biggest wish? Let me re-enter the stadium for the post game show. :D

Maybe I'll try a different approach next time: Tailgate until 5 minutes before the half, come in, and leave when I feel like it.
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 3:48:04 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:

Frank ball has gotten a little long in the tooth for me, too. Everytime I hear the "Dean of MAC Coaches" or other such language it kind of makes my eyes roll anymore. Someone with such a long standing program shouldn't have such a sad sack defense.

....

I won't speak for everyone else, but there are times where I have deja vu being on here as I feel like we have had the same conversations most seasons ever since Frank was hired. Some days I just don't have the interest debating on if Frank should move on, how bad the secondary is, why the Bobcats lost to some team they had no business losing to, why there was a bad collapse etc.



Couldn't agree more on both accounts ...
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 4:22:35 PM 
L.C. wrote:
ts1227 wrote:
Keep in mind message boards in general are falling out of style too, as no young people are joining them, they use social media. Couple that with older members losing interest, or dying, and it all makes the traffic drop fast. I’m on 2 other boards, and I use all of them WAY less than I used to (mix of waning interest and having kids). Most all are down to a small core audience.

But generally, another below expectation year is surely not helping. The demographic issues I mention above are bad enough.

Correct. If you visit any opposing team message boards, they have almost no posts on them at all. Interest may be waning, but even if it wasn't, message board activity would still be falling.



Yet in spite of all our frustration associated with Ohio's inability to close the deal and put an entire season together, this message board reamains the most active (IMO) of any of the teams we play. Frankly, I was very surprised at the lack of activity on the NIU board leading up to last weekend's game - and they have had significantly more football success than we have. Marshall's board is still fairly active, but I feel my IQ slipping if I stay on there too long!
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 5:45:36 PM 
AlumDadDad wrote:
L.C. wrote:
ts1227 wrote:
Keep in mind message boards in general are falling out of style too, as no young people are joining them, they use social media. Couple that with older members losing interest, or dying, and it all makes the traffic drop fast. I’m on 2 other boards, and I use all of them WAY less than I used to (mix of waning interest and having kids). Most all are down to a small core audience.

But generally, another below expectation year is surely not helping. The demographic issues I mention above are bad enough.

Correct. If you visit any opposing team message boards, they have almost no posts on them at all. Interest may be waning, but even if it wasn't, message board activity would still be falling.



Marshall's board is still fairly active, but I feel my IQ slipping if I stay on there too long!


Nominated for quote of the year consideration. I'm still chuckling.
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 8:39:53 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Went to the game yesterday with an old friend. At game time, hundreds of people were content to just stay at their tailgate and visit with friends. A four hour commitment to sit on hard seats is becoming a thing of the past. The endzone plaza is a great addition but the vast majority of folks down there were very casual fans. The times have changed and will continue to. For many folks, it's just not that important any longer.


A chance to socialize is about all it is in college football, even with 4 and 5 figure ticket donors at SEC schools.


So if that's all it is, that makes it even more difficult to justify $1000 a year per student in fees to put on this party.


Football is at most $100 of that student activity fee.

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   Posted: 10/15/2019 8:44:31 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:

Frank ball has gotten a little long in the tooth for me, too. Everytime I hear the "Dean of MAC Coaches" or other such language it kind of makes my eyes roll anymore. Someone with such a long standing program shouldn't have such a sad sack defense.

....

I won't speak for everyone else, but there are times where I have deja vu being on here as I feel like we have had the same conversations most seasons ever since Frank was hired. Some days I just don't have the interest debating on if Frank should move on, how bad the secondary is, why the Bobcats lost to some team they had no business losing to, why there was a bad collapse etc.



Couldn't agree more on both accounts ...

At least they can’t say the only team with coordinators at the same place for 14 years. Ouch.
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   Posted: 10/15/2019 10:42:39 PM 
OU_Country wrote:


My biggest wish? Let me re-enter the stadium for the post game show. :D



Actually, they should allow you to do this... at least they did the past few years, unless they changed THAT policy this year.

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   Posted: 10/19/2019 10:01:24 PM 
Well I am glad we won, Nathan looked great, though we have some noticeable problems to fix, and it was Kent State after all. Yet, I felt like my victory parade got rained on for the following reasons.

A couple of neighborhood kids were in and out of the house during the first half, one of them said something to the effect of, "What game is this? No one is there and production looks pretty low budget." Thinking someone had changed the channel I came in from the kitchen to see crowd shots of a half empty stadium and a replay that looked like something from the Spectrum High School game of the week. Adding insult to injury, one of the neighbors stopped by to talk to my wife in the second half and after my wife reminded her that I was an alum the neighbor saw some stadium shots and said, "My sister's kids go there and they say everyone leaves after watching the band at half time. What division is this, it isn't the same as Ohio State is it?" I did my best to keep calm and politely explain college football conferences, divisions etc.

I have explained on more than a few posts that I went to every game in my student days and it was a very low point for Bobcat football. This was the mid and late 80s, and my roommate and I would count how many fans were left after half time. Sadly, it often didn't take long.

After dealing with all of that when Coach Solich was hired and we had our inaugural game victory against Pitt, I thought the sky was the limit. We were going to be on ESPN, and social media was going to help promote our brand, and boards like this was a way to forward that excitement. While our board numbers are down, other schools message boards, attendance and promotion are way down. I am about as optimistic as they come. However after where we had been, I guess I hoped for more than just coming from behind to beat a so so Kent State before a lackluster crowd, which featured a TV production quality one might expect from your local cable access channel.

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   Posted: 10/19/2019 11:03:50 PM 
15000 in the house. And the attendance figures nowadays are pretty accurate from what I can tell. I wouldn't say that "nobody was there." Crowd wasnt lackluster at all. The feel you get from TV can be far different from reality.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 10/19/2019 11:41:23 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
15000 in the house. And the attendance figures nowadays are pretty accurate from what I can tell. I wouldn't say that "nobody was there." Crowd wasnt lackluster at all. The feel you get from TV can be far different from reality.


This was the smallest Saturday in September or October crowd I've seen iin the last 10 years. Both wings were empty as was the section on the student side nearest the river. The so called champions club had more empty seats than filled and lots of tower club folks stayed home.

Lots of this had to do with many students going home this weekend. Last weekend was Homecoming and next weekend is Halloween. This was the ideal time to head home for a visit.

Despite that, it was a lovely day for a game and a victory is always a good thing. Sadly we don't play at home again for 18 days.
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   Posted: 10/19/2019 11:58:48 PM 
Jeff, I was only repeating what "my guests" told me. I understand that it was probably louder in person, but in all honesty, from the pictures I saw in various stages of the game and taking into account how many times I have been to Peden for a game (probably over 100 times) 15,000 seemed like a stretch.

Keep in mind part of my post was me just venting that I had to deal with people in my home whom I was not expecting raining on a home game victory. Yet, if I am honest some of what they said was true and if we are keeping up with the Billy Joel Honestly theme it is a lonely word. I mean look at the other MAC schools. We are the most rural school of the conference and yet we are the envy of the league with crowd support. We consistently have people driving to the games from longer distances than any other school. It goes deeper than that when one considers our academic reputation and endowment.

Honestly, we are the school that most of the MAC envies. Yet, if we are truly honest with ourselves after the Pitt victory--Coach Solich's first game in 2005, didn't we think with the increased ESPN coverage and positive publicity that we would be in a different place 14 years later? I know I felt that way, we had a coach who was widely respected and I am sure I wasn't alone in thinking we were going places. Maybe not the rarefied air of a Boise State, but certainly to a different spot than where we are right now.

I realize things change, people have more options and perhaps younger people don't get as excited for games as I did when I was their age. Also, I don't make it to nearly as many games as I once did because of family activities, like kids games and other school activities etc. I guess I was just venting a little about where I thought things could have or would have been, either 35 years ago when things were really bleak and I and a few others were still in the stands in the 4th quarter cheering on our Bobcats, or 15 years ago when the future held such promise.

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   Posted: 10/20/2019 8:56:16 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff, I was only repeating what "my guests" told me. I understand that it was probably louder in person, but in all honesty, from the pictures I saw in various stages of the game and taking into account how many times I have been to Peden for a game (probably over 100 times) 15,000 seemed like a stretch.

Keep in mind part of my post was me just venting that I had to deal with people in my home whom I was not expecting raining on a home game victory. Yet, if I am honest some of what they said was true and if we are keeping up with the Billy Joel Honestly theme it is a lonely word.


Well it's HonesTY that is the lonely word.

Over many years I've learned to ignore the white noise of the buckeye cult in Columbus. It makes this city much more livable.

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   Posted: 10/20/2019 9:42:37 AM 
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Lots of this had to do with many students going home this weekend. Last weekend was Homecoming and next weekend is Halloween. This was the ideal time to head home for a visit.

Despite that, it was a lovely day for a game and a victory is always a good thing. Sadly we don't play at home again for 18 days.



This matches my assessment closely. Student attendance was light - GA side was mostly alums and some families with Ohio students (maybe families avoiding parents weekend crowds and hotel prices? Smart). Weekend before Halloween. That said, It was still a fairly decent crowd and not the usual halftime departure.

Picture perfect day for a game and good result.

I liked the fact that the school is starting to play up the Miami game. A win next week and some good marketing with the 150th anniversary celebration could set us up for a good game atmosphere. I'm making the drive over with some buddies. Hoping for an atmosphere akin to 2011 Temple or a Marshall night game!
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   Posted: 10/20/2019 3:36:39 PM 
For what it’s worth, I noticed empty/sparsely populated sections of the Kentucky @ UGA game and, despite their loss, UGA is still a top 10 program.

Between the national championship basically coming down to the same handful of teams every year and even stadiums of big time programs failing to provide a better game day experience- college football will continue to see a decline in attendance.
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   Posted: 10/20/2019 5:00:31 PM 
Peden concessions are trash. Bring in local vendors. Ohio football isn’t exciting enough to go corporate.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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