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CatsUp
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  Message Not Read  Could any true freshmen be in the mix now?
   Posted: 10/16/2019 10:08:32 AM 
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.
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   Posted: 10/16/2019 6:20:35 PM 
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?

Last Edited: 10/16/2019 6:21:46 PM by Doc Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Could any true freshmen be in the mix now?
   Posted: 10/17/2019 10:10:53 AM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 11:14:49 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?



Based on the fact that we don’t have one.
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 12:21:25 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?



Based on the fact that we don’t have one.



So you believe the coaching staff is keeping the next Reggie White or Joey Bosa in a glass box labeled "do not break until Bowl Game". If he was ready and able to give that push, you do not think he wouldn't be playing?
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 12:34:10 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?





Based on the fact that we don’t have one.



So you believe the coaching staff is keeping the next Reggie White or Joey Bosa in a glass box labeled "do not break until Bowl Game". If he was ready and able to give that push, you do not think he wouldn't be playing?



Hey man I was just responding to the topic about true freshmen.

So you think we don’t have an anemic pass rush.

You’re the expert.

Who pooped in your oatmeal?
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 12:55:17 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?





Based on the fact that we don’t have one.



So you believe the coaching staff is keeping the next Reggie White or Joey Bosa in a glass box labeled "do not break until Bowl Game". If he was ready and able to give that push, you do not think he wouldn't be playing?



Hey man I was just responding to the topic about true freshmen.

So you think we don’t have an anemic pass rush.

You’re the expert.

Who pooped in your oatmeal?



No, our pass rush is not very good....But thinking the coaches are just sitting on better talent is the stuff of flat earthers, the logic just does not make sense.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Could any true freshmen be in the mix now?
   Posted: 10/17/2019 1:41:26 PM 
If Blauser could pressure the quarterback better than the starters could he would be in there. No one wants to win more than the coaches do. It’s hilarious that some fans think they would sabotage their jobs by playing guys that aren’t the best at each position. The pressure problems stem from lack of push up front. Cole Baker will be back this week which will help. I agree also that the secondary should talk less and play more. Daxon isn’t eligible so I don’t see any true freshman saving the day. Sorry.
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 1:42:16 PM 
I think it's clear that if one of the Freshmen has moved up the depth chart far enough to be on the field, we'd see them on the field. In prior years that has always happened. A few True Freshmen have appeared on the 2-deep:
1. Kurtis Rourke is split with Mischler as the #2 QB.
2. Tristian Vandenberg is the backup placekicker
3. Parker Titsworth was the backup Center in weeks that Hayes was injured.

Are there any of these that people think should be starting?

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 10/17/2019 2:43:28 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
CatsUp wrote:
With the four game redshirt rule, four MAC East games left, and the importance of tie breakers for division championships, I can't help but wonder if there is more potential for us to see some further support from a guy or two who might be deemed ready. Using our new guys who could help in this way would seem to be a good strategy to this non-expert. They have more practices behind them now and, if they have gotten reps, would be more ready than earlier. They might be able to provide help for positions where we are "banged up" some.


Well I’m glad you asked since I have a few questions.

Why has 3 star running back Walt Wilborn be injured all year?

With an anemic pass rush why not insert a linebacker with pass riushing abilities like Cannon Blauser?

Why is Denzel Daxon not at least practicing?


#2. And you evaluate the linebacker has pass rushing abilities based on what?





Based on the fact that we don’t have one.



So you believe the coaching staff is keeping the next Reggie White or Joey Bosa in a glass box labeled "do not break until Bowl Game". If he was ready and able to give that push, you do not think he wouldn't be playing?



Hey man I was just responding to the topic about true freshmen.

So you think we don’t have an anemic pass rush.

You’re the expert.

Who pooped in your oatmeal?



No, our pass rush is not very good....But thinking the coaches are just sitting on better talent is the stuff of flat earthers, the logic just does not make sense.


Catsup was just wondering if any true Freshmen could contribute and I threw out some names.

Very disappointed in Wilborn and Daxzon as they seem to have gone from two future studs to two who may never play a down for Ohio.

And speaking of linebackers I like the speed of Thompson and Houston....bodes
well for the future.
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 3:44:43 PM 
Agree with Billy on this, as the coaches are trying to win. They play what they think are the best players that give the Bobcats a chance to win. The coaches aren't trying to sabotage the season like the Miami Dolphins are this year.
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   Posted: 10/17/2019 5:02:52 PM 
I just took it as Freshmen who might help.

Looks like for the 3 I mentioned chances are slim and none.
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   Posted: 10/21/2019 8:33:21 AM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I just took it as Freshmen who might help.

Looks like for the 3 I mentioned chances are slim and none.


Yep Doc. Was not suggesting there was any true freshman who could step in and would be guaranteed to completely change the season. They probably wouldn't give a redshirt season a second thought in that situation.

However, Frank himself mentioned when the class was signed that he thought there were (and I'm paraphrasing) some players who he thought could physically compete and perhaps play. Apparently that meant to him that he thought they could make us better, or at least as good. Maybe he was largely referring to guys unable to play this year for whatever reasons.

He also mentioned the goal of trying to win a MAC championship. Of course that's one attainable goal that has alluded him and for which he has received criticism. Perhaps winning the championship and is more important to him (and the coaches) than an extra non-conference win and thus he would manage his roster accordingly.

Lastly, I don't think we should "hang our hat" on the depth chart either when determining where true freshmen (or anyone else) stand. In the second half Saturday at one point we had three redshirt freshmen linebackers (McCrory, Houston and Thompson) all on the defensive side of the ball at the same time. None of them were on the two-deep depth chart.
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   Posted: 10/21/2019 10:37:38 AM 
I mentioned Thompson in this thread.....not patting my own back mind you.

Thompson was our #1 tackler....not a true Freshman but this guy needs more playing time.
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   Posted: 10/21/2019 11:48:28 AM 
Thompson and Houston are incredibly athletic physical dudes. Wood is also a guy who should,be getting more PT. Yes they are young but the backup LB’s are very intriguing. Heck throw McCrory in as well. He is doing nice work on special teams.
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   Posted: 10/21/2019 12:45:39 PM 
L.C. wrote:
I think it's clear that if one of the Freshmen has moved up the depth chart far enough to be on the field, we'd see them on the field. In prior years that has always happened. A few True Freshmen have appeared on the 2-deep:
1. Kurtis Rourke is split with Mischler as the #2 QB.
2. Tristian Vandenberg is the backup placekicker
3. Parker Titsworth was the backup Center in weeks that Hayes was injured.

Are there any of these that people think should be starting?


I'd kind of like 3. to play regularly just so that the commentators would have to say his name and number.

At least the kid seems to have a good sense of humor with his last name, given his number choice etc.

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   Posted: 10/21/2019 4:34:20 PM 
To date no true Freshmen have played. The two that I thought might, after the recruiting class was signed were Wilbon and Dixon. Wilbon has been hurt, or he might have played. Dixon turned out not to be a Freshman, and not to be eligible for this year, or he also might have played.

Seventeen Redshirt Freshmen have played, however:
O'Shaan Allison, RB - 6 starts, missed one game
Jerome Buckner, WR - 3 starts, 6 games played
Tyler Walton, WR - 1 start, 7 games played
Keye Thompson, WLB - 1 start, 7 games played
Justin Birchette, CB - 7 games
Bryce Houston, MLB - 7 games
Jeremiah Wood, SLB - 7 games
John Gregory, CB - 7 games
Jake McCrory, LB - 7 games
Isaac Gill, S - 7 games
Bryce Stai, DE - 6 games played
Kurt Danneker, LG - 3 games
Darfnell Gouin, WR - 3 games
Kylan McCracken, DT - 2 games played
Alec Burton, TE - 2 games
Joe Mischler, QB - 1 game
Jamison Collier, FS, 1 game

Last Edited: 10/21/2019 6:44:16 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 10/21/2019 5:00:03 PM 
L.C. wrote:
To date no true Freshmen have played. The two that I thought might, after the recruiting class was signed were Wilbon and Dixon. Wilbon has been hurt, or he might have played. Dixon turned out not to be a Freshman, and not to be eligible for this year, or he also might have played.

Eighteen Redshirt Freshmen have played, however:
Isiah Cox, WR - 7 starts
O'Shaan Allison, RB - 6 starts, missed one game
Jerome Buckner, WR - 3 starts, 6 games played
Tyler Walton, WR - 1 start, 7 games played
Keye Thompson, WLB - 1 start, 7 games played
Justin Birchette, CB - 7 games
Bryce Houston, MLB - 7 games
Jeremiah Wood, SLB - 7 games
John Gregory, CB - 7 games
Jake McCrory, LB - 7 games
Isaac Gill, S - 7 games
Bryce Stai, DE - 6 games played
Kurt Danneker, LG - 3 games
Darfnell Gouin, WR - 3 games
Kylan McCracken, DT - 2 games played
Alec Burton, TE - 2 games
Joe Mischler, QB - 1 game
Jamison Collier, FS, 1 game


My “knee jerk” reaction to this is that 18 would be considered a high number and go ahead and make the leap to say that the 2018 class has the potential to end up being a pretty good group.
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   Posted: 10/21/2019 6:40:01 PM 
CatsUp wrote:
My “knee jerk” reaction to this is that 18 would be considered a high number and go ahead and make the leap to say that the 2018 class has the potential to end up being a pretty good group.

I did make a mistake in that prior post - It should be only 17, as Cox is a Redshirt Sophomore.

Seventeen is actually a pretty typical number. One difference is that, due to the rule allowing people to play up to four games without losing their redshirt, they are all redshirt Freshmen. In prior years some would have been Sophomores.

What is a positive sign for the future is that four have been starters. How does that compare to prior years? The players with starts as True Freshmen/Pure Sophomores in the last few years:
2018, 4 players: Kittrell (all), Cox (1), Hudson (all), Ogun-Semore (all but 1),
2017, 2 players: Odom (4 of first 6), Conner (1)
2016, 2 players: M. Williams (5 of first 6), Hagen (2 of first 6)
2015, 3 players: McCray (1 of first 6 as a Soph), Oullette (4 of first 6 as Soph), White (2 of first 6)

Going back to the 2008 class, Ohio's best, you also have 4 that started games, Carlotta, Herman, Jordan Thompson, and Gerald Moore.

Last Edited: 10/21/2019 6:43:50 PM by L.C.

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