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Author Message SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,045 Status: Offline     It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 11:55:10 AM  Maybe I'm alone in this, but it seems as though Frank & Co. always have an unpleasant surprise for us in the early part of the season. We looked horrible in the opener last year. We apparently were too soft in preseason prep for Louisville a few years ago. We had too much hitting the year before that and lost several starters to injury. This year it's a sinus infection or other malady that virtually shut down our offense. Again, it might just be me, but I'd sure appreciate fewer surprises in Year 15 of this regime. Last Edited: 9/9/2019 11:56:23 AM by SBH Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,461 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 3:22:43 PM  SBH wrote: Maybe I'm alone in this, but it seems as though Frank & Co. always have an unpleasant surprise for us in the early part of the season. We looked horrible in the opener last year. We apparently were too soft in preseason prep for Louisville a few years ago. We had too much hitting the year before that and lost several starters to injury. This year it's a sinus infection or other malady that virtually shut down our offense. Again, it might just be me, but I'd sure appreciate fewer surprises in Year 15 of this regime. Well each situation looks a little different so it’s not systemic, it’s random. Stuff happens. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 3:24:14 PM  I agree. We didn't look that great in week 1 against URI but you can chalk that up to first week, vanilla play calling yadda, yadda. Its not the loss to Pittsburgh that bothers me as much as the Bobcats scored only 10 points and didn't seriously challenge the outcome of the game. Oh you can say but they are a P5 school, on the road ect, ect. Bottom line this was one of the games the Bobcats had to win to have a double digit win type season. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,997 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 3:25:40 PM  He's annoyingly practical when it comes to non-conference games. If he doesn't think they can win the game, he'll shut it down. He's probably right to do it, but as a fan it can be frustrating to watch the Louisville or Kentucky games or not use timeouts on Saturday when one wacky play and you're right back in it. He does play the percentages, though, and his teams do tend to finish strong, so who am I to question it. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 3:28:45 PM  We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 4:25:35 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. Now that's a different take. I had to read it twice, because I'm so used to reading things like "We ran the ball twice. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to throw it". “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 4:30:17 PM  Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. BTW, I completely agree with SBH in that every year it is one thing or another. Sadly, Pitt was a winnable game regardless of the excuses. Pitt is at best a middle of the pack ACC team. Also and not to rain on anyone's parade but we better be prepared to play 4 solid quarters in Huntington or we will be off to a 1-2 season. Finally, do not overlook Louisiana either. Just my $0.02. Last Edited: 9/9/2019 4:45:17 PM by ou79 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 4:40:15 PM  I don't think it was just a matter of showing up. I think that with Rourke having a strep throat, that limited the play calling somewhat. If he's not 100%, you aren't going to call his number much (QB draws, options, etc). On the whole he played fine, but he didn't have that extra special mode that makes him a special QB, no escapes, no making great things out of nothing, and the result was that the offense just looked vanilla. The defense played hard, and played much better in the second half. They need to continue to improve, and I think that by the end of the year they won't be giving up many points at all. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Buck.Cat General User Member Since: 12/21/2017 Post Count: 365 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 4:48:51 PM  ou79 wrote: Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. Exactly. If people are supportive of Solich quitting down 10 points (and yes, they did quit) against a team like Pitt, why not schedule further up for even bigger pay days. I thought we were getting past the days of continuously making excuses for this team yet here we are. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 6:05:53 PM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. Now that's a different take. I had to read it twice, because I'm so used to reading things like "We ran the ball twice. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to throw it". Aggressive in regard of taking a 4 down approach rather than one low probability toss into the end zone and settling for an easy FG with an extra set of downs potentially in front them. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 6:12:32 PM  Buck.Cat wrote: ou79 wrote: Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. Exactly. If people are supportive of Solich quitting down 10 points (and yes, they did quit) against a team like Pitt, why not schedule further up for even bigger pay days. I thought we were getting past the days of continuously making excuses for this team yet here we are. At least get some 2 for 1's to try and get bigger names into Peden once in a while. Arkansas or Virginia Tech level. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Rufusbobcat94 General User Member Since: 6/13/2018 Post Count: 392 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 7:07:31 PM  SBH wrote: Maybe I'm alone in this, but it seems as though Frank & Co. always have an unpleasant surprise for us in the early part of the season. We looked horrible in the opener last year. We apparently were too soft in preseason prep for Louisville a few years ago. We had too much hitting the year before that and lost several starters to injury. This year it's a sinus infection or other malady that virtually shut down our offense. Again, it might just be me, but I'd sure appreciate fewer surprises in Year 15 of this regime. I completely understand this feeling. Ohio's games can be very frustrating because we are just about there but dont get it done. Pitt was very good especially on defense but this is another one we let get away. We have to find a way to start winning these. There are really no more moral victories here if Ohio is going to move to the next level. When I watched the Pitt game for the second time, its a game we could have won but didnt, despite the sacks by Pitt or the general offensive ineffectiveness. What happens in the power 5 games we play close but lose is we fail to execute. In the first half, we had a ton of plays where the right offense or defense was called, where most Ohio players did their assignments, but there is an execution failure which just kills us. In the first qtr, Pitt is driving but we drop an interception at the goal line. Pitt gets a FG. With Pitt backed up to its own one yard line, we call a play with a nice stunt, coverage holds, and we miss a tackle in the endzone for a safety: Ohio -2 points. We didnt get the safety but we did get Pitt to punt and now we have great field position. Of course, a 20+ yard return is brought back by a hold but that wasnt the only issue. We start driving down the field and throw an 8 yard pass to an open Ohio WR but it is thrown too high-incomplete. We move in field goal range, just inside the Pitt 30. In a rare mis-execution of the read-option, the ball is pulled instead of handed off: Pitt clearly had the QB covered on the end of the line. The running back would have minimum gotten back to the LOS but likely a 5-7 yard gain. Instead, the QB is tackled for a 4 yard loss. Next play, false start. now we are out of fg range. Next play, ball is overthrown. Punt instead of FG attempt. No one can say what would have happened with the momentum of the game if Ohio stops a drive in the redzone by interception, gets a safety, then scores a make-able FG or touchdown in the first quarter? Later in the game, QB drops a perfect pass to an open WR in the endzone and it is dropped. we settle for three instead of seven. Between the missed int, the missed tackle for safety, errors which took us out of FG range, and the 3 instead of 7 due to the dropped pass in the endzone, we are talking about a 12 point swing in Ohio's favor right there. At least a 9 point swing because the FG was not a gimme. And this is with a QB who clearly was not himself. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,730 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 7:11:44 PM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. Now that's a different take. I had to read it twice, because I'm so used to reading things like "We ran the ball twice. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to throw it". Ditto! http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,144 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 8:49:04 PM  It's always something...but in the end, it's pretty much one thing. We don't have the depth to hang with P5 schools. We might have the first string to hang with them, but if we're down a player or two, it becomes quite a large task. On Saturday, it was our most important cog that caused us to struggle. If our stud QB can't play to the top of his ability, we are out of luck. Good news is that it was against non-conference and hopefully he can mend before the games that matter take place. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,348 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 9:43:27 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Buck.Cat wrote: ou79 wrote: Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. Exactly. If people are supportive of Solich quitting down 10 points (and yes, they did quit) against a team like Pitt, why not schedule further up for even bigger pay days. I thought we were getting past the days of continuously making excuses for this team yet here we are. At least get some 2 for 1's to try and get bigger names into Peden once in a while. Arkansas or Virginia Tech level. Why would either of those schools consider coming to Athens? Each of them average nearly 60k for home games. http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-footbal... Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 10:00:57 PM  OU_Country wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Buck.Cat wrote: ou79 wrote: Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. Exactly. If people are supportive of Solich quitting down 10 points (and yes, they did quit) against a team like Pitt, why not schedule further up for even bigger pay days. I thought we were getting past the days of continuously making excuses for this team yet here we are. At least get some 2 for 1's to try and get bigger names into Peden once in a while. Arkansas or Virginia Tech level. Why would either of those schools consider coming to Athens? Each of them average nearly 60k for home games. http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-footbal... Iowa State has a 1 for 1 with Ohio. They put 60k in the stands but are traditionally a lower tier P5. Virginia Tech was a 2 for 1 with Ohio but we bought it out. Boise State got Florida State to do a 1 for 1 but that remote school has 37,000 seats. I don't think its reasonable to expect a 1 for 1 in Athens but a 2 for 1 with a mid tier P5 is the dream. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 10:07:28 PM  Rufusbobcat94 wrote: SBH wrote: Maybe I'm alone in this, but it seems as though Frank & Co. always have an unpleasant surprise for us in the early part of the season. We looked horrible in the opener last year. We apparently were too soft in preseason prep for Louisville a few years ago. We had too much hitting the year before that and lost several starters to injury. This year it's a sinus infection or other malady that virtually shut down our offense. Again, it might just be me, but I'd sure appreciate fewer surprises in Year 15 of this regime. Later in the game, QB drops a perfect pass to an open WR in the endzone and it is dropped. we settle for three instead of seven. Between the missed int, the missed tackle for safety, errors which took us out of FG range, and the 3 instead of 7 due to the dropped pass in the endzone, we are talking about a 12 point swing in Ohio's favor right there. At least a 9 point swing because the FG was not a gimme. And this is with a QB who clearly was not himself. The pass to the endzone was fine but in heavy traffic from what I recall at the stadium with 3 or 4 defenders around it. To me it was high risk play when the potential was there to take two cracks at a first down and 4 more at a TD. Last Edited: 9/9/2019 10:25:01 PM by TWT Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,407 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 10:35:18 PM  Buck.Cat wrote: ou79 wrote: Here is food for thought. If we are approaching these P5 games as just a show-up and not serious about winning the game then why not prostitute ourselves like Kent State and schedule 3 buy games with a minimum payout of $1,500,000 per game. In other words if we are only showing up for a paycheck, go big and get as much as we can. Exactly. If people are supportive of Solich quitting down 10 points (and yes, they did quit) against a team like Pitt, why not schedule further up for even bigger pay days. I thought we were getting past the days of continuously making excuses for this team yet here we are. Quit? Sorry, that's bull's shite. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 10:36:42 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: ...Virginia Tech was a 2 for 1 with Ohio but we bought it out. .... Ohio "bought" it out by taking a paycheck to turn it into all games at VT, and similarly if I recall, they did the same thing with a 2:1 series with Northwestern because they couldn't afford the tremendous cost of doing a 2:1. With revenues falling, why do think Ohio can now afford to do 2:1 deals? “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 10:46:28 PM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: ...Virginia Tech was a 2 for 1 with Ohio but we bought it out. .... Ohio "bought" it out by taking a paycheck to turn it into all games at VT, and similarly if I recall, they did the same thing with a 2:1 series with Northwestern because they couldn't afford the tremendous cost of doing a 2:1. With revenues falling, why do think Ohio can now afford to do 2:1 deals? The buyouts were the work of Kirby Hocutt. Ohio I can tell you has way more revenue than prior to Frank though it has tapered off the last couple of years. Ticket prices are triple than pre Frank and there was no OBC. The buyouts were more about Hocutt wanting his stamp on the program and Solich wanting to ease up the schedule than money. As it stands the money games we have now paying out around 750k including travel costs and the 400k-500k we are paying FCS schools its break even. Go the 2 for 1 route and its one payday of 750k then an even exchange of money for the final 2 games. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 11:18:47 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: ... Go the 2 for 1 route and its one payday of 750k then an even exchange of money for the final 2 games. That's not how they work, from my understanding. On a 1:1, you do the away game free, and keep the revenue from your home game. If a team won't agree to a 1:1, why would they agree for a 1:1 combined with a bought game? My understanding is that on a 2:1, you do two away games for free, and keep the revenue from your home game, so there is no payday, and you get a giant hole in your budget. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,003 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 11:36:37 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. I hate to tell you, but every play snapped from the 3 has Endzone coverage. Every single play. So your complaint is invalid based solely on your lack of knowledge Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/9/2019 11:54:40 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: We had a third down with 3 to go on the Pitt 6 and ran a passing play into end zone coverage. A more aggressive coaching staff would have tried to run the ball twice. If that's 4 more points for Ohio they have a chance to win the game. I hate to tell you, but every play snapped from the 3 has Endzone coverage. Every single play. So your complaint is invalid based solely on your lack of knowledge It was snapped from the 6. I'm responding from someone who said the WR was wide open. He was well covered with 4 defenders within 5 feet. It was a good throw but with a first down potentially there 3 yards from the goal line they should have tried to run. If that was the absolute last shot at the end zone yes in that case throw it. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,102 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/10/2019 12:09:19 AM  L.C. wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: ... Go the 2 for 1 route and its one payday of 750k then an even exchange of money for the final 2 games. That's not how they work, from my understanding. On a 1:1, you do the away game free, and keep the revenue from your home game. If a team won't agree to a 1:1, why would they agree for a 1:1 combined with a bought game? My understanding is that on a 2:1, you do two away games for free, and keep the revenue from your home game, so there is no payday, and you get a giant hole in your budget. The 2:1 is like a 1:1 + payday game. The paydays don't come with the big 1.5 million payouts but they do come with some money. The bigger school makes out by not having to write two payday checks but only 1. For the scheduling of the 2 for 1 it can be done many years in advance in a way where it can work within the home-away structure of the OOC schedule. Alabama and South Florida have a 2 for 1. 2023 @USF (Alabama paid $400,000) 2024 @Alabama (USF paid $400,000) 2026 @Alabama (USF paid $1,000,000) https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/06/how-alabamas-2... Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,846 Status: Offline     RE: It's always something...    Posted: 9/10/2019 8:28:04 AM  L.C. wrote: The defense played hard, and played much better in the second half. They need to continue to improve, and I think that by the end of the year they won't be giving up many points at all. This is somewhat delusional. The defense only looked better in the second half because Pitt was playing to grind down the clock rather than score. The Ohio secondary has been godawful for years and it continues to be a weak point. Pitt threw at will in the first half as they basically salted the game away. 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