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Buck.Cat
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Would You Rather Have... (NT)

Posted: 12/13/2018 6:38:33 PM

Would You Rather Have... (NT)

	Solich coaches for 5 more years of bowl eligible seasons but no MAC championships
	A new up and coming coach wins a MAC championship in his first season with no guarantee of coaching Ohio beyond that season

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Mark Lembright '85
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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/13/2018 7:42:45 PM

For me the vote was easy, the MACC. Being bowl eligible is something Ohio�s already achieved for the last 10 years; been there, done that. Winning a MACC is the goal, not bowl eligibility.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 12:49:28 AM

I think everyone knows my vote...

I just find it humorous that people think if a new coach came in and led Ohio to MACC that he'd A) immediately leave or even more hilariously B) suddenly lead Ohio to losing seasons right after and run the program into the ground.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 7:57:06 AM

So one option is a a guaranteed MACC next year and the other is the status quo. Those are the only options of what could possibly happen, right?

Poll....would you rather be guaranteed a win in the lottery tomorrow or never buy a lottery ticket and keep all the money you would have spent buying lottery tickets?

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 9:09:14 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

Or buy a lottery ticket ... win ... and then watch all your money catch on fire, get hit by a bus and your life is just awful for the rest of time.

Because success can only be followed with nothing but failure.

L.C.
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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 9:42:17 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

This is why I have always loved this site, because of posts like these. This one cracked me up.

+1

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 10:02:00 AM

L.C. wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

This is why I have always loved this site, because of posts like these. This one cracked me up.

+1

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 10:35:38 AM

Find it humorous or not BShot44. It happens. BG and Akron are examples.

Last Edited: 12/14/2018 10:36:23 AM by ExCat21

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 10:50:51 AM

What amazes me is that,for such a critical issue (sarcasm intended),as of now,only 18 people voted.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 12:09:43 PM

bshot44 wrote:

That's what you find humorous about this poll?

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/14/2018 3:00:34 PM

Ah, the old "Would you rather be the 1997 Florida Marlins or the 1990s Cleveland Indians" quandary....

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/15/2018 7:58:00 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

A would you rather question commonly proposes two polar choices.

Or, feel free to create your own poll, sweetheart.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/15/2018 10:28:58 AM

Buck.Cat wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

A would you rather question commonly proposes two polar choices.

Or, feel free to create your own poll, sweetheart.

It's not often I'm called sweetheart so I'm just going to take that compliment and leave the polling to you.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/15/2018 6:27:34 PM

If I knew that Ohio would have 4 losing seasons afterward then I'd take option 1. But that isn't the probable outcome so, since it guarantees a really good season and leave a likelihood at least a few other good seasons, I'd take option two as most will.

There is no guarantee that Frank won't win one in the next few years. That would be the ideal situation. There is also no guarantee that a young coach would not be in over his head like Knorr. The poll is making some really, really wild and ridiculous assumptions. This is OK as long as we recognize that when we look at the two options.

Last Edited: 12/15/2018 6:31:52 PM by Victory

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 12:44:11 AM

The Grass is not always Greener...Ohio is 100% a Different program without Solich and it really could be feast or famine...Ohio history say FAMINE sooooo...

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 1:24:59 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Why wouldn't people think that? Other than NIU, history has shown that to be the case in the MAC.

PJ Fleck immediately left WMU after a magical season and the team has gone 13-11 since.

Dino Babers immediately left after a MAC title and BG has gone 7-24 since.

Haywood immediately left Miami after a MAC title in 2010 and the program has gone 29-67 since.

Once powerful CMU has its MACC winning coach immediately leave after the title and they've gone 48-65 since.

There are only two current MAC coaches with conference titles still coaching in the conference -- Rod Carey (2014 and 2018) and Jason Candle (2017).

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 6:24:38 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Ok ... now look at the foundation that was built by Haywood at Miami ... or Brookhart at Akron or Gill at Buffalo.

Nowhere near what Solich has built at Ohio. Ohio is on solid footing. Much like NIU who has seen Novak, Kill, Doeren & Carey .... and haven't missed much of a beat.

Similar to Toledo with Pinkel, Amstutz, Beckman, Campbell & Candle. Solid foundation built. 12 bowls since 2000. Pinkel laid the foundation & the rest help strengthen it. Yeah ... they had a few down years just like Solich did early while building Ohio.

The jury is still out on WMU after Fleck ... but I still don't think he built what Frank has.

Not many programs can survive what BG ia going thru ... four head coaches in seven years.

My point is we should trust what Frank has built. It's not a house of cards. I really think when the time comes for him to pass the baton, the right person should be able to come in and continue to elevate things. And, for the record, I don't think that person is currently on staff.

The fear of this thing deflating like a balloon is kind of funny to me. All these Solich fanatics ... quick to defend him ... but tentative to trust in what he's built.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 6:32:37 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

Ah, the old "Would you rather be the 1997 Florida Marlins or the 1990s Cleveland Indians" quandary....

Or have a 22 game winning streak or choke to the Yankees.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 7:38:39 PM

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

New coaches are not famous for building on the old coaches work, but, for bringing in what they know which got them the opportunity. Case in point in 2003 this Big 12 school let go a coach at 9-3, 58-19, with one championship expecting new coaching to bring more/better. Fifteen years, four coaches and no championships later later they are 4-8 to Ohio's 8-4. So no, "past performance is no indication of future performance." This salesman was once obligated to share this with me.

Last Edited: 12/18/2018 7:54:36 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 7:50:23 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

New coaches are not famous for building on the old coaches work, but, for bringing in what they know which got them the opportunity. Case in point in 2003 this Big 12 school let go a coach at 9-3, 58-19, with one championship expecting new coaching to bring more/better. Fifteen years and no championships later later they are 4-8 to Ohio's 8-4. So no, "past performance is no indication of future performance." This salesman was once obligated to share this with me.

Please just clear this up for everyone. You are NOT a longtime Ohio fan, right?

You are a disgruntled Nebraska fan ... or Solich fan ... that is angry on how he was treated at NU. Angry that Big Red is an also-ran in the B1G now.

No one ... I REPEAT. NO. ONE. ... is saying how Nebraska handled things was smart. Solich was wrongly run out.

Agreed.

So let down your guard. I have not read one post this season that says Ohio should fire Frank Solich and hire a "Bill Callahan". So please. Let it go. Nobody on here thinks Ohio should fire Solich. Goodness.

But I don't think it's insane to converse about what will happen when he's gone. For crying out loud, he's 74?!?! He's not going to be here forever.

So why do you keep turning the discussion of "can a new coach lead Ohio to a MACC?" into a "be careful what you wish. Nebraska bottomed out after firing your idol, Frank.

Let it go.

You don't really care about Ohio. You only care about Solich and his legacy. My guess is we'll never hear from you again when Frank retires.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 7:57:30 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

New coaches are not famous for building on the old coaches work, but, for bringing in what they know which got them the opportunity. Case in point in 2003 this Big 12 school let go a coach at 9-3, 58-19, with one championship expecting new coaching to bring more/better. Fifteen years and no championships later later they are 4-8 to Ohio's 8-4. So no, "past performance is no indication of future performance." This salesman was once obligated to share this with me.

Take a breath. Not about the letting go part. Point is about the success of next coaches even if they are following success. Really, take pill or something. Fourteen year fan, no, not as long as many here.

Last Edited: 12/17/2018 7:59:10 PM by Bcat2

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 9:25:11 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Fourteen year fan, no, not as long as many here.

14 year fan ...

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Frank Solich has been at Ohio how many years???

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 9:52:31 PM

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The fear of this thing deflating like a balloon is kind of funny to me. All these Solich fanatics ... quick to defend him ... but tentative to trust in what he's built.

It's difficult to know what will happen. Solich has definitely done far more "program building" than most coaches in the MAC. Most coaches come to the MAC looking to win, and move up, and aren't as interested in building something that lasts. Solich has been an exception. Novack did the same thing at NIU. NIU built on that, and has continued to win afterwards, and perhaps that will be Ohio's future.

On the other hand, the big negative for Ohio is one that Solich can do little about. The local area is SE Ohio, and SE Ohio produces less Division I athletes than the other parts of the state. This, in turn, means that Ohio has to recruit almost all it's players from either other parts of the state, or from out-of-state. My opinion is that it was this disadvantage that led to the problems between the Hess years and Grobe.

By improving facilities, especially the IPF and the Academic Center, perhaps after Solich is gone, the new coach will have no trouble recruiting the talent he needs to win. Or, perhaps he will. Note that Akron has pretty great facilities, and they continue to have bottom-of-the-MAC recruiting most years, so you never know.

My opinion is that we really don't know what will happen after Solich is gone. It might be better, or it might be worse. As far as I'm concerned, the present isn't bad, good teams that get better every year, more wins that losses, and being competitive for a MACC every year. The recruiting class this year is the best yet, and two years ago wasn't far behind it, so the next few years promise to be even better, with hopefully a MACC or two. In the meantime, I'm content to enjoy the present, and hope for continued improvement, and in no rush to get to a future that might be a little better, or might be a lot worse. We'll get there soon enough, anyway, and then we will find out what happens.

Last Edited: 12/17/2018 9:58:38 PM by L.C.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 10:02:30 PM

NW Ohio doesn't have very much talent either L.C. yet has supported quality Toledo and BG teams for decades. I would say the challenge is recruiting the greater Midwest to Athens like Detroit or Chicago than in-state. Ohio is a square and everything is within at most a 4 hour drive. BG and Toledo are right along the Ohio Turnpike and much closer to points in Michigan and Illinois.

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RE: Would You Rather Have...

Posted: 12/17/2018 10:18:29 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

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The fear of this thing deflating like a balloon is kind of funny to me. All these Solich fanatics ... quick to defend him ... but tentative to trust in what he's built.

I see a lot of parallels to NIU's program here at Ohio. Good APR rates. New found consistency after mediocre decades. Consistency on national TV and going to bowls pulls in a different type of recruit.

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