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OUbobcat9092
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ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/7/2018 2:23:12 PM

Has Ohio as the highest ranked team in the MAC...#58 (out of 130)

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratin...

58. Ohio
71. Toledo
74. Buffalo
78. N. Illinois
84. Miami
86. E. Michigan
94. W. Michigan
108. Akron
112. Ball St.
118. C. Michigan
122. Bowling Green
123. Kent St.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/7/2018 8:00:41 PM

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/8/2018 10:37:11 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Are you really trying to insinuate that winning the MACC doesn't help you in the ESPN freakin power ratings?

The lengths you go to downplay the significance of winning a MACC is incredible.

Ohio doesn't need a league championship! Hell no! They are highest rated team in MAC in ESPN power ratings! Raise a banner!

Hilarious.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 11:17:18 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 11:26:55 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Alabama didn't even play for a conference championship last year--and won a national championship. Winning the conference championship is nice, it just doesn't have the same weight in this era that it once did.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 11:50:40 AM

BryanHall wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Unfortunately, we play at a level of college football where conference championships and bowl wins are the best we can hope for. They should be our focus. They are our version of a national championship.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 11:56:00 AM

BryanHall wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

When you've won 18 conference titles in 50 years, it has a little bit less meaning. Sure.

And I'm not arguing the basis of your argument. Agree that winning a league title isn't 100% necessary to compete for a national title when you're in the B1G, SEC or ACC. Hell, even Nebraska played for a title during the BCS era without winning the Big XII.

But for a program that plays in a league that will NEVER compete for a national title ... I think the weight it carries is a little more. Especially when you haven't won one in 50 years (sorry .... REPETITIVE ALERT �🚨🚨🚨)

I have a hard time settling for the consolation of being the highest ranked MAC team in the ESPN power poll rather than winning a league title. Seems like a hollow achievement when in reality it literally means nothing.��

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 12:06:50 PM

BryanHall wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

So? Are you saying we have a shot at the National Championship this year???? Man, I am excited now!!!! When do the tickets go on sale?

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 3:43:21 PM

bshot44 wrote:

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I have a hard time settling for the consolation of being the highest ranked MAC team in the ESPN power poll rather than winning a league title. Seems like a hollow achievement when in reality it literally means nothing.��

It means as much, or as little as you want it to. Still, this year and last year are the first two times that Ohio has been in the top two in the conference in power rankings. To me that indicates that Ohio is not plateaued, and is still improving.

For what it's worth, about half the time the leader in various power indexes ends up also being the conference champion, and about a third of the time the #2 team is the conference champion. This was an odd year in that neither of the top two teams in the power index were in the Championship game.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 3:52:54 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

I get what you're attempting .... and yes, Ohio has a really good team the last two seasons ... arguably the best in the MAC ... but what do they have to show for it?

9-4 Bahamas Bowl Champ and an 8-4 Frisco Bowl bid.

I'm not trying to downplay the bowl wins ... both of those would be very nice achievements.

🚨🚨🚨 REPETITIVE ALERT!!!!

But when will being the best power ranked team in the league actually lead to a championship?

That's my point when I talk of plateau'ing as a program. The 8 & 9 win seasons that end in a bowl game are nice ... but this program has been there and done that a lot. A LOT OF YOU NEED TO READ THIS PART VERY SLOW .... I'm not suggesting I'd rather them go back to 3-9 dogs**t seasons. But when will they make the next step to winning league championships on a regular basis. (Or upsetting P5 teams not named Kansas in the non-conference) It's really hard to say your the best team in the league or maybe the most successful over the last 5-10 years when you have ZERO championships to show for it and not a lot of splashy wins .... like say a Toledo, NIU or WMU has.

Last Edited: 12/10/2018 3:53:46 PM by bshot44

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 4:57:13 PM

I don't think we have any misunderstanding. Having the best power rating for the first time ever isn't a bad thing, but neither is it a conference championship. Where we differ is that I take this first ever achievement as a sign that things are still improving.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 5:00:40 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

L.C. You have the "patience of Job." Meaning "one who exhibits great endurance through all kinds of trials, annoyances, or provocations."

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 5:23:17 PM

bshot44 wrote:

But for a program that plays in a league that will NEVER compete for a national title ... I think the weight it carries is a little more. Especially when you haven't won one in 50 years (sorry .... REPETITIVE ALERT �🚨🚨🚨)

I have a hard time settling for the consolation of being the highest ranked MAC team in the ESPN power poll rather than winning a league title. Seems like a hollow achievement when in reality it literally means nothing.��

I wouldn't say never when the day the playoff expands the MAC's chances to play for a national title increase tenfold. Traditionally the conference championships haven't been as important as appearing in the AP Top 25 but that is changing with all of the conferences having a title game and with the chance of achieving the highest post season placement tied to winning the conference.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 5:37:00 PM

L.C. wrote:

There are probably 10,000 people alive that are aware of the conference title drought by Ohio but a few million who are aware of Ohio football (solich) which is a direct result of that consistent 8 win play. As far as improvement how can Ohio improve on 6-0 at home doing it with 52.0 ppg? I'm not sure if further improvement is as realistic as continuing at a high level and picking up a couple of MACCs in the process.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 6:49:24 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

L.C. wrote:

You are correct that in some ways what I want, continuing improvement, is harder than winning a MACC. You can't very well have continuing improvement without finally winning a MACC, but you certainly could win a MACC without continuing improvement. They simply are different goals, that are complimentary, but not necessarily coincident.

Last Edited: 12/10/2018 6:51:49 PM by L.C.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 8:17:43 PM

L.C. wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Right and we have a name coach with 100 wins at the school, maxed out ticket prices for Athens and new or redone IPF, academic center, weight room, locker rooms in the past 5 years. The MAC is gradually improving. Each TV contract and post season arrangement is better than the last. What can Ohio do to accelerate the improvement? The only thing I can suggest is to put in even more facilities, to always have a facility wish list to dangle out to a prospective high roller. It may be concept art for a while but its better than telling fans to live with what we have.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/10/2018 11:01:13 PM

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... but its better than telling fans to live with what we have.

This sums it up for me.

I totally agree with you and LC that thanks to Frank, Ohio football is more nationally "relevant" than ever before. And that is certainly a plus. The facility upgrades come with that. It's all positive.

This isn't pointed at you two ... but a lot of folks on here misconstrue my desire to see a MACC as me not appreciating what Frank has done. Couldn't be less true.

I agree with LC that Ohio could conceivably not necessarily improve as a program but still win a MACC.

I think it's a gaping hole in Frank's resume and one that a lot of passionate, die-hard fans would love to see over being #1 power ranked MAC team or a Camellia Bowl win.

There's something to be said about winning the big one. The Buffalo Bills are not necessarily considered one of the great teams in NFL history. Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing will always be missing something from their resume.

Winning championships are important. Devaluing them because Ohio can't win them doesn't change that. If Ohio had won 5 MACC during Solich era you damn well know people would be falling over themselves to make people aware of that success. But it hasn't happened, so some act like it's just not important. Seems like a cop out.

Oh .... sorry. Forgot. 🚨🚨🚨 REPETITIVE ALERT!!!

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 11:56:46 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Are you really trying to insinuate that winning the MACC doesn't help you in the ESPN freakin power ratings?

Isn't this exactly what it says? The ESPN Power Ratings prove that. Otherwise, wouldn't NIU be ahead of us?

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 11:59:34 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

L.C. wrote:

So this begs the question, should we up the compensation package of Coach Solich and his staff to represent what they have meant to OHIO Football? His salary has essentially been stagnate, especially when taking his longevity into account. Maybe now is the time to show a commitment! I'd like to see Coach be the first $1 Million MAC Coach, and his staff not being the highest paid is kind of a farce.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 2:15:54 PM

I would be shocked if this university is willing to pay Coach Solich a million dollars. His assistants are not compensated as well as many of the other assistants at MAC schools. Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Bowling Green and Akron all have assistant coaches making more than Ohio's DC and OC. According to a story in The Post for the academic 2017-18 year, Saul was paid $572,520 and Frank made $507,715. Ohio's AD was the 10th highest university paid employee at $281,010.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 2:29:31 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

I realize this is sarcasm (BTC knows no other tongue!), but there isn't a chance in a windstorm that this administration will up salaries for any athletics position. For better or worse, they've made clear it's not a strategic priority.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 4:02:13 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Are you really trying to insinuate that winning the MACC doesn't help you in the ESPN freakin power ratings?

Isn't this exactly what it says? The ESPN Power Ratings prove that. Otherwise, wouldn't NIU be ahead of us?

I was more implying that bcat2 really thinks that Ohio winning a MACC title doesn't help in terms of the ESPN Power Rankings ... and that Ohio is just fine without winning a MACC because they were the highest ranked MAC team in the coveted ESPN power rankings.

It was another attempt of bcat2 to downplay significance of MACC.

Basically saying "Hey, look NIU won ANOTHER MACC ... but does it really matter because Ohio is rated higher in the almighty ESPN power ratings"

Who cares about freakin' power rankings if it doesn't lead to tangible things like a championship?

Does Frank & Co. start the season with "Boys ... the goal this year is be the highest power rated team in the MAC. LET'S GO GET 'EM!"

Doubtful.

It's a nice reflection of how good the team was ... but it in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM makes up for being championship-less .... which is not what the original poster was implying. That implication was made by bcat2 (as usual)

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 5:04:28 PM

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Are you really trying to insinuate that winning the MACC doesn't help you in the ESPN freakin power ratings?

Isn't this exactly what it says? The ESPN Power Ratings prove that. Otherwise, wouldn't NIU be ahead of us?

There's no reason to continually spout the lack of a MAC title. We all are very clear on your position, bshot44.

The point was made that a MAC title didn't influence the ESPN Power Ratings. And you questioned it.
The facts show otherwise.
The question was not about whether the MACC matters overall.
The point was that a MACC didn't matter when it came to ESPN Power Ratings.
It doesn't.
Accept it and move on.

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 5:34:00 PM

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Well SDSU came out as #82 so you have that going for you!

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RE: ESPN Football Power Index

Posted: 12/11/2018 6:01:15 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

Evidently the MACC is a crown that comes with high standing good for umm, how many days has it been?

Are you really trying to insinuate that winning the MACC doesn't help you in the ESPN freakin power ratings?

Isn't this exactly what it says? The ESPN Power Ratings prove that. Otherwise, wouldn't NIU be ahead of us?

That was not my point. I think I clearly explained that above ... apparently used a poor choice of wording. Wasn't trying to say a MACC would help you in the power ratings at all!

My point was bcat2 was once again downplaying the significance of a MACC.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I think anybody with a pulse would understand that winning the MACC would have ZERO influence on a power rating. That game carries no more significance than winning a regular season MAC game in terms of power ratings. So why would I suggest otherwise?

Accept that?

Last Edited: 12/11/2018 6:05:35 PM by bshot44

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