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Mike Johnson
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10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 8:57:14 PM

What follows is not presented as an apology or defense of the Solich years. Instead I relate it as one sign of positive consistency.

130 FBS programs. Question: How many have not had a losing season since 2008?

Here are the programs that have not experienced a losing record during the last 10 seasons:

Alabama
LSU
Georgia

Penn State
Wisconsin

Stanford
USC

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Florida State (streak might end this year)
Virginia Tech

Liberty (An FCS and FBS transition team during the past 10 years)

Boise

Ohio

Total: 14

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 9:06:28 PM

I get the spirit of this ... yes multiple winning seasons stacked up is good ... and impressive.

But examine the schedules of those teams you listed. Almost an apples to oranges scenario.

Ohio has had luxury of weak out of conference schedules & playing in the dreadful MAC East.

Ohio made a commitment years ago to schedule for bowl eligibility. Almost assuring themselves 7 wins per year.

So I take it with a grain of salt

Last Edited: 11/15/2018 9:07:03 PM by bshot44

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 9:14:01 PM

Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 9:20:50 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Fine by me.

Speaking of non-conf schedule strength, the league that amuses me is the SEC. Each season its teams schedule on the lighter side. This year:
Alabama: Louisiana, The Citadel
Auburn: Alabama State, Liberty
Mississippi State: SF Austin, Louisiana
Texas A&M: Northwestern State
LSU: Southeast Louisiana
Arkansas: Eastern Illinois
Mississippi: Southern Illinois
Georgia: Austin Peay, UMass
Florida: Charleston Southern, Idaho
South Carolina: Coastal Carolina, Chattanooga
Missouri: UT Martin
Kentucky: Murray State
Tennessee: East Tennessee State, Charlotte
Vanderbilt: Tennessee State

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 9:47:07 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

My beef with the really good SEC teams is that they never travel north to play their OOC games. Doubtful we�ll ever see Alabama play in Columbus or Ann Arbor.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 11:08:41 PM

Oh ... I agree. This week of the season is flat laughable from the SEC.

But here's the crappy reality. They win. They win at the highest level. So it's hard to knock them for their process ... even if it's laughable in November.

LSU beat Miami
Alabama throttled Louisville
Auburn beat Washington
Mississippi beat Texas Tech
Mississippi State beat Kansas St
Missouri beat Purdue

And you still have left this year

Kentucky vs Louisville
South Carolina vs Clemson
Georgia vs Georgia Tech
Florida vs Florida State

I know some of those teams are down this year (FSU, UofL, K-State) ... but I think you get my point.

A lot of them play a cupcake ... along with a P5 OOC game ... and the brutal conference season.

And they've had team in playoff every year ... won multiple national titles ... etc.

So hard to knock ... even tho I hate them and fully believe the ESPN bias towards them.

Until someone can knock them from their perch for more than just a year ... I doubt they'll change their operating procedure

Last Edited: 11/15/2018 11:10:04 PM by bshot44

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/15/2018 11:13:25 PM

doubledribble wrote:

Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.

The truth is a bitter drink sometimes.

What part of my comment wasn't factually correct?

It makes me laugh when the truth and facts are packaged as being a nay-sayer and glass half empty.

Sorry that that this the reality for Ohio.

Weak out of conference schedules + MAC East = 7 wins/year, bowl eligibility and ZERO MAC titles

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 12:44:10 AM

Impressive consistency from Solich and Company. Solich has turned Ohio football into a winning tradition, which is something long time Bobcat fans could have never imagined in years previous to that. Not only that, but we are also a National trademark that no longer has to live in the shadow of OSU. Winning championships though will require money that neither Ohio University nor Southeastern Ohio have. Still, the talent level of this program continues to improve as evidenced by the NFL's continued interest in Ohio players and, therefore, a little bit of persistence and luck may finally take the team into the Championship category. Win, lose, or draw, I do appreciate where this program is now at. No, I don't think they always played up to their potential at times, but it has been a fun season nonetheless.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 6:49:36 AM

doubledribble wrote:

Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.

Anytime anyone attempts a pat on the back to the team, players or coaches for any win, success or high level of play, that, will not stand without the "yes but" followed by the dump truck full of examples of when Ohio did not achieve as this nay-sayer believed it "should." Ohio losses are never credited to the play or effort of an opponent, but, the failure Ohio. Want to celebrate an, any Ohio football success, don't try it here. It will not be allowed to stand. You saw how Mike had to qualify his post in the first sentence. On the NIU board, with all the success they have had they still have what they call their "Woe-Is-Me" crowd. 52-17 over a nine win, yet undefeated in conference team, I will be happy, just, not openly on this board. Tired of opening that can of worms.

Last Edited: 11/16/2018 7:12:58 AM by Bcat2

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 7:00:29 AM

Doubledribble and others just ignore the obvious poster who loves thrashing the Bobcats any chance he can get. This person can't enjoy any positive thing Ohio has achieved. Ten years and counting and here is hoping 11 is around the corner.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 7:37:34 AM

Mike Johnson,
Great post......I would also like to add that Ohio is the only MAC school to be bowl eligible during this period.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 8:27:31 AM

Maddog13 wrote:

Perfectly said

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 8:43:18 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

doubledribble wrote:

Interesting list of 14 teams with consistent performance. No surprise who the first nay-sayer is to pile on as fast as possible. Amazing. His glass is forever half empty.

I love how you think comparing people belly aching about NIU is the same for Ohio fans. Hilarious.

Yep ... because Ohio has rolled off six straight division titles ... won 3 MAC titles in last 14 years ... played in Orange Bowl ... had a Heisman finalist.

Yup. Ohio's list of achievements is equal.

C'mon.

Your head is stuck so far into la-la land you can't tell what is real.

Ohio kicked the living tar out of Buffalo. Maybe the most impressive win we've seen from this team in November in Solich era.

Does that erase other shortcomings? Does that mean we can never speak of them again?

How do you explain dismantling two of the best teams in the MAC the last two years ... being the best team in the league arguably ... but your trophy case remains empty?

You just casually ignore that storefront and keep walking down the street. Fine. That's cool. Keep ignoring it.

But no ... you can't. Your inability to just scroll past it on a message board always amazes me.

I responded to Mike's comment ... an interesting stat. I love fact-based comments. Can't argue them. Wasn't arguing it. I agree it's an impressive feat but one that has its warts with Ohio's scheduling tactics.

But you keep "dumptrucking" your sunshine everywhere.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 8:49:07 AM

bshot44 wrote:

And they've had team in playoff every year ... won multiple national titles ... etc.

So hard to knock ... even tho I hate them and fully believe the ESPN bias towards them.

Until someone can knock them from their perch for more than just a year ... I doubt they'll change their operating procedure

Hmmmm? ESPN bias or is the league just plain better (and filled with more talent) than every other league? Somebody has to be the best league and you said it yourself, until somebody knocks them off then they'll stay at the top and garner the most national media attention. I don't understand what's so hard to understand here. This is typically the first thing that comes out of an buckeye fans' mouth after they underachieve.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 8:53:30 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

You guys make me laugh.

You're all like the 3yr old kids who get a plate full of vegetables in front of them ... and then just frown, turn your nose up and push the plate away refusing to eat it.

Ohio's disappointments or obvious shortcomings as a program are the vegetables. You want nothing to do with them when they're placed in front of you.

You'd rather just chow down on the ice cream ... the good stuff ... the wins over UB and Toledo, the bowl wins over UAB.

But you know what ... you'll never survive longterm without acknowledging the veggies. You have to learn to eat them sometimes.

Until then enjoy your ice cream

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 9:01:07 AM

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bshot44 wrote:

Please! I hope you are not assuming I'm a Buckeye fan. Man, that is literally the worst thing I've ever been called on here.

I think ESPN has a bias because it helps their business. They own the SEC Network. So they do everything they can to drive the agenda.

And explain to me why the SEC has three of the top 7 teams in CFP ratings ... and one of those is a two-loss team?!?

I could give a flying f**k about Ohio State .... it's the Washington State's, WVU's, UCF's that I would like to see get a more fair shake.

Those teams are not looked upon the same way SEC teams are. They just aren't.

Until the playoff expands to 8, they won't either.

We're staring down another multiple bid SEC CFP if UGA can beat Bama ... while potential 12-1, 11-1 and 13-0 conference champions get left out.

That's where the bias is

Last Edited: 11/16/2018 9:03:23 AM by bshot44

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:39 AM

BShot44.....why do you continue to follow Ohio if all we ever do is play cupcakes and disappoint you every year? Speaking of 3 year olds you complain more than a 3 year old. Its okay to be frustrated I get it. But its the MAC where every team is just about even in talent. This isnt Big Ten ball where OSU beats the Indianas of the world every year.
Nothing is ever good enough for you and its pretty pathetic to be honest. Goodness! You would have died of a heartattack before the Solich era when we ran up the middle on 3rd and 15 in the Knorr Era. Say what you want but I will take consistency over what I had to endure in the previous regime.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 9:48:42 AM

The 12 other programs (minus Liberty) have significantly tougher schedules every year. You can rip on their non-conference schedules, but they play 8 games every year vs the caliber of teams Ohio plays once (or less) per season in their conferences. I know there are weak P5 schools in every conference, but Maryland, Indiana, Vanderbilt and Kansas are still better than Kent. Most years, Ohio's schedule looks like ESPN's Bottom 10.

I am tired of expecting more than this, but I also recognize that I am in the minority of Bobcat fans. I probably expect too much, but the product is boring. I love OU, but cannot justify the time and money I spend for the experience we receive. Next year, I am likely to allocate my resources elsewhere for the first time in 28 seasons. I will probably get criticized for it here, but I'd love to see the advantages/disadvantages chart to sell me on spending between 3-4K of non-deductible cash on MAC football.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 10:15:14 AM

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C'mon man. Continue to compartmentalize my posts.

I am well aware of the previous regimes. I was roaming the campus in Athens well before you put on your cleats for Paducah Tilghman.

Where have I once said that I think the Solich era sucks and I think we should be going 13-0 (8-0) every year?

The Knorr era was awful ... as you can attest to. But try living thru the Lichtenberg era when Ohio went 0-11! That's the bottom of the barrel.

I think it's great the consistency that Solich has brought to the program. And no freakin' s**t I'd take this over what preceded him.

And if you're cool with 14 years of consistent 7-8 win seasons ... with an occasional 9-win year thrown in ... and zero MAC titles. Fine. I really don't give a damn! It. Does. Not. Matter. To. Me.

My expectations are higher. I enjoyed the Buffalo thrashing ... I was there for the Toledo thumping in 2017. I was also at the MAC title losses in 2006, 2011 and 2016. I was in Lawrence for the Kansas ass-kicking ... and in Cincinnati for the UC stomach-punch. The Kareem Wilson coming out party at Maryland ... I was there. Hookfin & Co running for 600+ in Ypslanti ... check. I spent a huge chunk of the fall the last 23 years supporting this program.

Does Ohio football typically leave me a bit disappointed most years ... yeah. I'd say that's accurate. It's hard not to be disappointed when you flush another MAC title chance down the drain because you shot yourself in the foot. If it didn't happen almost every year, we wouldn't have to talk about it! Hell, I was disppointed in 1997 after starting 8-1 when we lost at home to Miami and then drove to Huntington to watch us lose to Marshall and lose the MAC East. Am I not allowed to be disappointed? And if I am, am I not allowed to talk about it? I can't bring it up on a message board because you don't want to read it? Cmon.

As far as the schedule ... I never said, "all we ever do is play cupcakes". Those are your words ... you turned my comments into that. A pretty common occurrence on this site. Twisting and turning of comments to fit people's narratives. I simply said Ohio has made it a point to schedule for bowl eligibility ... to almost guarantee them 7 wins each year. I thought this year's out-of-conference was one of the best they've had in a while with UC and UVa. But I'm sorry ... look at the stats. Ohio has had one of the worst out-of-conference schedules in the MAC and the country the last 10+ years. And you couple that with the terrible MAC East they play in ... I'm not exacting making this stuff up. It's facts. Their base level goal is 2-2 in out-of-league games ... with the expecation that they will go 5-3 at worst in the horrible MAC East. It's not always worked out like that ... some years they get the 3-1 in the non-league and then go 4-4 in the MAC. Either way, they've found a comfort zone in scheduling that suits them well ... bowl eligibility every year. I know a lot of teams don't accomplish that. But with how Ohio schedules and with the resources they put into football ... that SHOULD be the worst-case result every year. That's the kind of program Frank has built ... no years of bottoming out. But also no championship years.

I don't know why it's so incredibly difficult to understand my passion for this team and my desire to see them exceed this level of consistency you all embrace and bathe in.

Sorry. I'd like to see the team rise about these inexplicable losses that cost them championships.

For that, I will not apologize.

Do you really think if I hated Ohio football, I would waste this much time here?

And do you think that I pour out every single thought and emotion I have for Ohio football on this message board?

C'mon. I spend 90% of the time on here replying to stuff. I'm rarely starting threads ... and when I do, it usually because I've stumbled into something interesting.

I know you guys are all looking for a bad guy since Monroe got booted off here. But don't put me in the same category. I'm not hijacking threads with random "ZERO MACC" posts.

I'm engaging in discussion and debate ... all in the good name of Ohio football.

If you don't like what I comment ... skip past it. You guys are the ones engaging me with the constant "nay-sayer" ... "whiner" ... "negativity" nonsense. I'll continue to respond.

The circle of life just keeps spinning.

One day we'll all celebrate a MAC title together .... right? I mean, it's the law of averages ... 50 years and counting? It has to happen eventually, doesn't it???

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 10:31:56 AM

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Well, if you are concerned over being ranked and embarrassed by MAC football you will be happier in bigger stadiums. I am a small town person and will follow Ohio as a fan of every player. Winning or losing I will take enjoyment from first TDs for Cox or Buckner, Ouellete's next 100 yard game, White climbing the career receiving charts and youngsters turning fumbles and blocked punts into TDs. There is this book "More Than Winning."

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 10:37:53 AM

bshot44 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Well, you see, I never did say you were a buckeye fan. Just that you share the same opinion as a lot of them. Is espn the cfp committee? Are they choosing who makes the top 10? The SEC has 3 of the top 7 because they play in the best conference in the nation. Its obvious that's the way the committee feels and until there is a major drop off and another conference steps up that's just how it is. I'm all for multiple SEC teams because THEY ARE THE BEST TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY. Why would anybody want WASHINGTON STATE in? They will get run over by Georgia or Alabama or even LSU for that matter. And don't start with UCF. If they really want a shot at the big boys then schedule them in the regular season. That's their only route in. They want close games in the playoffs so that's why smaller schools will always be left out. It's not going to change. I don't even know if expanding to 8 teams will give them a chance.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 11:14:33 AM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

. . . And don't start with UCF. If they really want a shot at the big boys then schedule them in the regular season. That's their only route in. . . .

Well, they did last year, and look what it got them. That's why their fans legitimately claim last year's real national championship.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 12:18:14 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Close games? Really?

2014-15
Oregon 59
Florida St 20

Ohio State 42
Oregon 20

2015-16
Clemson 37
Oklahoma 17

Alabama 38
Michigan St 0

2016-17
Clemson 31
Ohio St 0

Alabama 24
Washington 7

2017-18
Alabama 24
Clemson 6

Those are close games?!?

That's 7 out of the 12 games in the CFP that were decided by 17 points or more.

Not. Close. Games.

And for argument's sake ...

2014-15
Boise 38
Arizona 30

2015-16
Houston 38
Florida St 24

2016-17
Wisconsin 24
Western Michigan 16

2017-18
UCF 34
Auburn 27

That's three out of the four years the G5 team has beaten the P5 team in the NY6 game ... and the one year it didn't happen, it was an 8-point game.

What's wrong with giving the off-brand teams a shot if they deserve it? You think winning the PAC-12 on the field isn't worthy of going to the CFP compared to a team that doesn't even win its division of the SEC?

Why is the NCAA basketball tournament so incredibly popular and exciting ... it's not because we get Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina in the final four each year... it's because we don't!

You don't think having a 10-team playoff wouldn't provide any excitement?

Sure ... it might turn into the Alabama Invitational much as the FCS did with North Dakota State.

But wouldn't it be nice if each season, you started the year by thinking you had a shot to get in? Just like basketball.

Why shouldn't the Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA, AAC, MWC get a couple auto-bids into a 10-team field? Who cares if they lose 56-7 ... it's not much worse than it is now when Ohio State is getting drummed 31-0 by Clemson?

Give the top two teams byes ...

Wk 1
#7 vs. #10
#8 vs. #9

Wk 2
#1 vs. Winner of 7/10
#2 vs. Winner of 8/9
#3 vs. #5
#4 vs. #6

Wk 3
#1/7/10 Winner vs. #4/6 Winner
#2/8/9 Winner vs. #3/5 Winner

Wk 4
Title game

What might that look like this year?

Wk 1
UCF vs. Georgia
Utah State vs. Oklahoma

Wk 2
Alabama vs. Utah State/Oklahoma
Michigan vs. Washington State

Clemson vs. UCF/Georgia Winner
Notre Dame vs. West Virginia

... and play the brackets out from there.

You don't think that would be better than?

Alabama vs. Michigan
Notre Dame vs. Clemson

Last Edited: 11/16/2018 12:26:30 PM by bshot44

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 12:24:54 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

bobcat695 wrote:

Can we please carry this "More than Winning" thought over to the basketball forum as well? It's why I sometimes say there's a difference between a "fan", and a "supporter".

While I know I'm sometimes critical of Frank and his staff, I also recognize this 10 year achievement that Mike is highlighting is noteworthy. Stability in the coaching staff is a good thing, and the lack of it is a reason some of our peer MAC schools don't have this type of consecutive winning season streak.

That said, the need to change some things in an attempt to get over the hump is something that Ohio Football should be doing. I'm absolutely not a recruiting or X's and O's guru, but some here are. For some level heads, where can there be something changed to balance the status quo, which clearly isn't bad, and getting to the next step? For me, it's avoiding that one egg laying game each year - this year the Miami or NIU game's. How that gets done is a mystery to me though.

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RE: 10 years

Posted: 11/16/2018 12:25:57 PM

bshot44 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

We're on a roll, bshot44. Totally agree again. I'll try not to make this a habit! ;-)

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