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FanInTheStands
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New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 1:53:51 PM

I see that the MAC will be one of 3 conferences participating in the newly created Myrtle Beach Bowl. Nice to have a bowl venue that is within reasonable driving distance.
http://conferenceusa.com/news/2018/11/13/football-fb-espn...

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 2:07:50 PM

FanInTheStands wrote:

Great .... a fourth bowl with Sun Belt/MAC/CUSA tie-ins.

We really needed another outlet for 5-7 teams to go bowling ...

Dollar General, Camellia Bowl and Bahamas Bowl have a threesome ... and the Myrtle Beach Bowl is what we end up with.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 4:49:21 PM

bshot44 wrote:

FanInTheStands wrote:

Jesus you�re a grinch.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 8:21:08 PM

Just ignore bshot as he is the new Monroe. Constantly negative about everything!

bshot44
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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 8:34:46 PM

You really think adding another bowl to an already watered down system is a good thing?

C'mon guys. Be serious.

80 out of 130 FBS teams go to a bowl with this. Really!?!? Is "earning" a bowl bid even a reward anymore? Hell, you have players that even sit them out. Half the teams don't even want to play in them if it's not a higher profile one ... and even then some teams just go thru the motions.

So adding a fourth bowl between MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA teams is a good thing?!?!

All this is is another way for ESPN to line their wallets with TV money.

Are you really going to be excited to see 6-6 Akron face off with 5-7 Texas State?

Seriously.

Fine ... call me a Grinch.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 8:35:45 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Just ignore bshot as he is the new Monroe. Constantly negative about everything!

Right on brother. Keep preachin!

Ted Thompson
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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 9:18:59 PM

Never understood why people get so offended at more Bowls. Just don't watch. Maybe it would make people feel better if we put a 13th game on the schedule with opponent TBA?

ESPN is footing for the bill for en extra game for the players, typically with a mini-vacation involved, doesn't interfere with academics and gives the school some exposure. What's so bad about it?

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 9:52:02 PM

bshot44 wrote:

We've got a playoff system that theoretically encompasses all of Division 1-FBS, yet somewhere between 50-75% of the 129 members of FBS are functionally ineligible before play begins for historical reasons (and ratings, ratings are probably a big part of it). If they institute a system wherein:
-every team has a "real" chance of playing for the Subdivision title and controls their own destiny at the start of the season,
-a team on a (hypothetical) 2-year, 25 game win streak from "the wrong conference" isn't the longest of laughably long shots to be allowed to play for a title

thats when we can talk about there being too many bowl games. Until then, lets make sure that every eligible team that wants to do so can play in a post-season exhibition game (I'm not opposed to making the actual number of lower-prestige bowl games flexible, such that no eligible teams will be left out and no more than 1 non-eligible team would need to play in a bowl game, should the eligible teams work out to an odd number).

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/13/2018 10:15:47 PM

In 1997 there were 112 1A schools.

That year Ohio went 8-3, including a win at Maryland and 3-pt loss at #20 Kansas St.
Fiami also was 8-3.
So was WMU.
Toledo was 9-3 after losing at T'erd in the MACCG.

There were only 20 bowl games back then.
None of these teams went to a bowl game.

In 1997 GaTech went to a bowl with a 6-5 record.
So did Pitt.
And Utah St.
Pitt and Utah St lost and finished 6-6.

In 1997 Cincy, Mizzou, Clemson, Iowa, MSU, WVU, and VaTech were among the 7-4 teams that went to bowls.
All but Cincy lost and finished 7-5.

So even back then the bowl system rewarded mediocrity.
Today is largely the same, only at a different level.
So why complain about today?

Last Edited: 11/14/2018 9:22:00 AM by Pataskala

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 9:31:13 AM

I have no problem with more bowls and actually love the bowl season. If there were a Toilet Bowl, I'd probably watch that too.

However, I also think going to a bowl game now is no great achievement, at least not like it used to be. (Exception: Ohio making the Rose Bowl would be a GREAT achievement but I don't think that's in the cards ;) ).

bshot44
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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 9:35:18 AM

Why complain about today?

Correct if I'm wrong (the lines forms to the right, please) ... but isn't a bowl supposed to be a reward for a good season. Not a mediocre one?

Last year 15 teams that went 6-6 "earned" a bowl bid? In 2017, 17 6-6 teams and three teams with losing records!

C'mon! What are we doing here?

I agree ... in 1997, the bowl system was a mess. You had 6-5 Pitt earning a bowl bid over 8-3 Ohio. (And total sidenote ... Ohio that year won at Maryland, at Hawaii, lost by 3 at K-State in non-conference. A little different from playing Hampton, UMass, Idaho and Kentucky)

So it's better there are more bowls than there were in 1997. But I think it's gone too far. Do we really need 40+ bowl games?!?!

We're rewarding teams for being average ...

Aside from that ... what I have a bigger problem with is the bowl tie-ins. It's just another massive stake driven between the "haves" and "have-nots" in CFB. The P6 & G5 schools.

If you're going to have 40+ bowls ... why do they have to be P5 vs. P5 and G5 vs. G5 games?!?

Wouldn't it be much more interesting to see a 12-1 Buffalo team get to face a 9-3 P5 school rather than facing off with a Sun Belt team?

Hell, I'd rather see a 12-1 Buffalo team face a 7-5 P5 team!

These Arkansas St vs. Toledo ... Georgia Southern vs. NIU ... Ohio vs. Troy match-ups every single year get old and stale.

Just like the Virginia Tech vs. Wisconsin battle of 7-5 teams does.

The fact all these bowls are locked into certain conferences takes away a ton of the luster (along with the fact there are too many of them)

It was pretty evident when this season started that no matter how good any MAC school was ... they were most likely headed for Mobile, AL and the Dollar General Bowl. Woo. Hoo.

Even if Buffalo went 13-0 ... that was the best they would do. Because even the divide between the MWC/AAC and the Sun Belt/MAC in the G5 has grown.

CFB is a mess. Period. We can have 40+ bowl games ... but we can't figure out a way to play an actual playoff where more than four teams are involved?

You have nearly a month between conference championship Saturday and the major bowl games.

You're telling me that you can't have a 8 or 10 team playoff that starts in mid-Dec?

I think we're going to see a potential mutiny if the playoff ends up Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson this year ... especially if Washington State goes 12-1 and wins PAC-12 and WVU wins Big XII at 11-1 and Ohio $t or Michigan wins B1G at 12-1.

Three power five teams left out would certainly raise some eyebrows.

The stubbornness and greed of CFB is ruining it.

Bottom line is ..... yeah, I might be a crotchety old man ... but I like to see good teams get rewarded ... mediocre teams forced to get better .... and everyone starts the season not already knowing their best-case scenario.

Last Edited: 11/14/2018 9:37:08 AM by bshot44

OU_Country
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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 9:52:36 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

The Toilet Bowl - #FrankBall's destination nearly every year...after they get flushed in a game they should win trying to get to Detroit.

In seriousness, it's another bowl game with 6-6 teams that aren't that good, and are barely worth watching. Yippee. Unless Ohio is playing, there is 0% chance I tune in given that this is probably going to take place on a Wednesday before New Year's at 3pm while most people are at work.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 9:59:31 AM

OU_Country wrote:

[QUOTE=Mark Lembright '85]
In seriousness, it's another bowl game with 6-6 teams that aren't that good, and are barely worth watching. Yippee. Unless Ohio is playing, there is 0% chance I tune in given that this is probably going to take place on a Wednesday before New Year's at 3pm while most people are at work.

Take this with the grain of salt that I'm off work/work-from-home around the holidays (the one perk of working for a university), but even if Ohio isn't playing, I'll almost certainly watch it, unless its a mid-week day in that week before Christmas. What else am I going to do, watch Todd McShay and Mel Kipper debate the NFL draft? [insert barfing emoji]

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 10:05:42 AM

This is a great bowl for all Ohio MAC teams as Myrtle Beach is very easy and affordable flight and a great place to enjoy during the offseason. This makes me quite happy. I hope OU are in it in 2020!

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 10:08:01 AM

mf279801 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Well if the options are those two things, and nothing else was on, I'd probably follow your lead there. Bad bowl games are always better than NFL Draft analysis. On the other hand, I'd rather watch mid-major college hoops than either of those most of the time.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 10:20:04 AM

I will say this, I am mixed bags for reasons mentioned.

Pro: A drive-able game for MACtion at a destination very familiar for most fan bases in the MAC. I think this is one most schools would actually want versus another bowl in Alabama or god forbid Idaho....

Pro #2: One more game to add to my Bowl Pick'Em!

Con: It does water down the bowl system badly enough as it is. No offense, watching a Power 5 5-7 team vs a group of 5 6-6 team just does not do it for me in this era.

Maybe one or two games disappear (cough, Camellia Bowl, cough!) from our rotation and a game like this comes into it. I don't know, but

71 BOBCAT
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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 10:52:46 AM

Too many bowls now..... we do not need another one where few people attend and viewership is minimal.
Is this decision all part of the "EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY MOVEMENT?"

GO BOBCATS

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 11:02:17 AM

Tymaster wrote:

This is a great bowl for all Ohio MAC teams as Myrtle Beach is very easy and affordable flight and a great place to enjoy during the offseason. This makes me quite happy. I hope OU are in it in 2020!

No argument that this is a much better option than a Sun Belt/MACtion showdown in Mobile, Alabama.

But there is ZERO need for another Sun Belt/MACtion bowl game when the league's struggle to get enough teams to 7-5 as it is.

If this game replaced one of those other games ... then this news would be better.

(Even though MB in December isn't exactly the Bahamas. I've spent a few Thanksgivings down there when it's 40 degrees. So I wouldn't expect to break out the beach clothes for the Myrtle Beach Bowl in December.)

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 11:04:36 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Why complain about today?

Correct if I'm wrong (the lines forms to the right, please) ... but isn't a bowl supposed to be a reward for a good season. Not a mediocre one?

No. Bowls have always been (at least in the last 50 years or so) about tie-ins with conferences and getting big-name schools to put butts in the seats and eyes on the tube. It didn't matter that Toledo might be 8-3 or Akron or WMU might be 7-3-1. Because they didn't win the conference to get that one tie-in the MAC had, they stayed home while a 6-5 Baylor played 6-4-1 Arizona in a bowl (see 1992, for example). Bowls are essentially something to give fans some place to go during the holidays and TV networks something that might draw a larger audience during a time of year when TV watching is traditionally down. And its an extra chance for the players to suit up for their school.

Last Edited: 11/14/2018 11:05:28 AM by Pataskala

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 11:36:38 AM

Pataskala wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Why complain about today?

Correct if I'm wrong (the lines forms to the right, please) ... but isn't a bowl supposed to be a reward for a good season. Not a mediocre one?

Point taken.

Still wish they'd restructure the thing where we'd quit getting the same-type match-ups every year.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 11:55:35 AM

Tymaster wrote:

This is a great bowl for all Ohio MAC teams as Myrtle Beach is very easy and affordable flight and a great place to enjoy during the offseason. This makes me quite happy. I hope OU are in it in 2020!

Agree. Take your pick folks - who wants to (can afford to) go Bahamas? How about Boise? I'll take an easy trip to M.B. Not my type of beach, but they will be a great host. And helps open the program up to S.C and southern NC recruits. Also coordinates with the MAC basketball tourney being sponsored by MB.

Also, not a surprise, we are playing in the Myrtle Beach Basketball Classic next year. Affiliation to bowls influences other opportunities as well. http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

Last Edited: 11/14/2018 12:02:44 PM by cc-cat

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 12:52:09 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Why complain about today?

Correct if I'm wrong (the lines forms to the right, please) ... but isn't a bowl supposed to be a reward for a good season. Not a mediocre one?

Point taken.

Still wish they'd restructure the thing where we'd quit getting the same-type match-ups every year.

Agreed. In a perfect world they would pick the teams for the playoff then match up teams according to their records or Sagarin rating, regardless of conference. Then maybe let the bowls choose which matchups they want, starting with the bowl with the most seniority and working down from there.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 1:35:05 PM

Pretty much on par with the CIT or CBI in hoops. Agree with BShot on the tie-ins...would prefer a bowl with a tie-in with an opponent from the AAC or Mountain West. That said, if the Bobcats are playing, I'd watch.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/14/2018 6:39:41 PM

I agree with BShot44 on this. Might as well add Coastal Carolina to the conference though.

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RE: New Bowl Affiliation.

Posted: 11/18/2018 9:26:12 PM

Drove through Conway, SC a few weeks ago for a golf trip in Garden City. We all wondered why Coastal Carolina was doing what looked like a major renovation to the football stadium- question is now answered.

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