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NO OTHER UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE MORE THAN OHIO OVER THESE PAST 10 YEARS. Bowl Eligibility Teams SINCE 2009 Ohio 10 BG 5 Miami 3 Kent 1 Akron 2 Buffalo 3 CMU 6 WMU 6 EMU 2 Toledo 9 NIU 9 Ball 2 GO BOBCATS Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,811 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 11:21:36 AM  71 BOBCAT wrote: When we discuss winning on a consistent basis here is 1 stat to be considered, bowl eligibility. NO OTHER UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE MORE THAN OHIO OVER THESE PAST 10 YEARS. Bowl Eligibility Teams SINCE 2009 Ohio 10 BG 5 Miami 3 Kent 1 Akron 2 Buffalo 3 CMU 6 WMU 6 EMU 2 Toledo 9 NIU 9 Ball 2 GO BOBCATS And before everyone else rears their ugly heads on this one......how many MAC Titles does Ohio have in these 10 years? Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 11:32:55 AM  And how many coaches has Ohio had? Every other school has had multiple coaches. 10 straight years is impressive. No question. But shouldn't it really be expected in the MAC having the same coach for all 10 of those years? Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,458 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 1:05:02 PM  I don't know what we should expect... i badly want to see that mac title, but I also realize that we greatly outperform our budget/ resources. If doing this is easy why can't everyone? The lack of a mac title is frustrating as hell not just because we haven't won it but in those years when the mediocre team sneaks in then pulls off the upset, like Miami buffalo and Akron have done in the past decade. (Not referring to buffalo this year, they went 10-2 and earned the trip no matter how badly we beat them) Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,811 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 1:31:46 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: I don't know what we should expect... i badly want to see that mac title, but I also realize that we greatly outperform our budget/ resources. If doing this is easy why can't everyone? The lack of a mac title is frustrating as hell not just because we haven't won it but in those years when the mediocre team sneaks in then pulls off the upset, like Miami buffalo and Akron have done in the past decade. (Not referring to buffalo this year, they went 10-2 and earned the trip no matter how badly we beat them) +1 on the budget part. Dark days ahead and to be honest, not sure if a new coach will help anything. Going to need someone who can Appalachia jerry-rig anything if that route is pursued in near future. Back to Top BryanHall General User Member Since: 9/11/2010 Post Count: 554 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 1:32:13 PM  These are just 2 data points. A small (and sometimes vocal) group places the lack of MAC title as a key indicator of failure. I think most observers see the ten years of bowl eligibility as a key indicator of success. It is all about how much weight you place on either. There is no right or wrong answer. Personally, I look at the situation in three ways: If you told me when Frank took the job this is what we would get, would I be satisfied? I would. Are we more likely to win a title in the next five years with Frank or a replacement? I will stick with Frank. Is this program more likely to tank in the next five years under Frank or a replacement? I look at BGSUcks and can say any MAC really good program can be sunk by one coach--I don't see the Cats not being competitive with Frank. I don't claim my viewpoint is correct for everyone else. Back to Top OhioBobcat General User Member Since: 1/20/2006 Post Count: 1,619 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 1:47:11 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: When we discuss winning on a consistent basis here is 1 stat to be considered, bowl eligibility. NO OTHER UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE MORE THAN OHIO OVER THESE PAST 10 YEARS. Bowl Eligibility Teams SINCE 2009 Ohio 10 BG 5 Miami 3 Kent 1 Akron 2 Buffalo 3 CMU 6 WMU 6 EMU 2 Toledo 9 NIU 9 Ball 2 GO BOBCATS While impressive, it should also be noted that Ohio's non-conference schedule also helps it gain a lot traction to get to bowl eligibility every year. Keep in mind most MAC teams are playing 2 and sometimes 3 Power Five games most years while while Ohio typically plays just 1. Phil Steele does a toughest schedule section every year and Ohio's schedule is annually ranked at or near the bottom every year, including dead last two years ago. This also plays into why Ohio has never beaten a ranked team in its history, it's often not facing one either. You can't ever beat one if you won't/don't play one. That said, Ohio has been consistently one of the best teams in the MAC year in and year out during that stretch so when you couple that with the weak non-conference schedules this isn't too surprising to me at all. Last Edited: 11/25/2018 1:48:13 PM by OhioBobcat Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 2:55:43 PM  To address the "funding/budget" issue that some use on this Board as an excuse, here are the numbers for the budgets of all the MAC football programs for 2016-17 as reported by the U.S. Department of Education. These numbers are for football only and no other sport. 1. Ohio $10,134,888.00 2. Toledo $10,046,711.00 3. Miami $9,346,412.00 4. Eastern Michigan $9,033,503.00 5. Western Michigan $8,667,334.00 6. Northern Illinois $8,035,152.00 7. Buffalo $7,796,405.00 8. Akron $7,253,770.00 9. Central Michigan $7,233,254.00 10. Ball State $7,044,512.00 11. Kent State $6,861,750.00 12. Bowling Green $6,537,321.00 F.Y.I. - WMU went undefeated this year until they played Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl losing 24-16. Their record was 13-1 and included a MACC and also an appearance in a New Year's Day bowl game. They did so spending approximately $1,467,554.00 less than we did. Last Edited: 11/25/2018 2:59:25 PM by ou79 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,458 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 3:01:47 PM  When I say we outperform our budget, I mean in a national sense, not necessarily versus the MAC. I think everyone in the MAC outperforms their budget to a degree. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,636 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 4:21:44 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: When I say we outperform our budget, I mean in a national sense, not necessarily versus the MAC. I think everyone in the MAC outperforms their budget to a degree. We have made excuses for the last 7 years, we need to win a MAC. We play in the MAC East and have a coach that coached in a NATIONAL Championship game, 6 should be gimme every year. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 5:18:41 PM  And as far as OUr budget goes, most of the big ticket infrastructure stuff is now done. We have the IPF, the academic center and the improved video scoreboard and sound system, so not much else is left as far as that goes (i’ve resigned myself to Peden being what it is, and honestly, it really doesn’t need expansion if Ohio will play a significant portion of its games midweek). So I don’t know if budgetary concerns should get in the way of winning a MACC. Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 7:36:52 PM  Interesting discussions in the sports press this weekend regarding decisions to give Lovie Smith a two year extension at Illinois and the news that Clay Helton will be back at USC for at least another year. In contrast is Kingsbury's dismissal from Texas Tech as the head coach. The one theme that keeps coming up is the importance of consistency in a program over time vs. the continued pursuit of winning now no matter what the cost. How this applies directly to Ohio is that the Bobcats under Solich are consistently putting a solid team out on the gridiron and that such consistency appears to be leading to improved chances to advance this program as opposed to, say, scrap the whole thing and start anew. Not only is Ohio Football greatly raising the program's winning percentage, but there are noticeable improvements in terms of sports related facilities, infrastructure, and the quality of talent that is being recruited to Athens as evidenced by the growing number of players that are now attracting notice from the likes of the NFL. I wonder if Nebraska would have been better served to have kept Solich over time rather than their continued search for a coach that will eventually bring back the magic of yesteryear? Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,150 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 9:59:06 PM  I've watched Ohio football, basketball, volleyball and wrestling all do the same thing; show a lot of promise and then bounce their heads against a Top 20 ceiling. If Ohio had a sport in the Top 10 a lot more alumni interest would be there so if I'm the AD my goal would be to position the sports to get them into the Top 10. A new facility plan that would put us in another zip code from MAC schools would be a start. A 20,000 sqft. all sport weight room at the Convo with indoor basketball courts matching some of the top programs. I'd finish out Peden into a complete bowl with a training table over looking the field with panoramic video boards. Set the bar high and bring in name coaches like we have with Solich that can attract some 4 star athletes into town. I think at the time Victory with Honor was very ambitious and McDavis had a vision for athletics but the last couple of years we've lost steam (and season ticket holders) who want a more serious athletic program. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top BryanHall General User Member Since: 9/11/2010 Post Count: 554 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/25/2018 10:31:22 PM  ou79 wrote: To address the "funding/budget" issue that some use on this Board as an excuse, here are the numbers for the budgets of all the MAC football programs for 2016-17 as reported by the U.S. Department of Education. These numbers are for football only and no other sport. 1. Ohio $10,134,888.00 2. Toledo $10,046,711.00 3. Miami $9,346,412.00 4. Eastern Michigan $9,033,503.00 5. Western Michigan $8,667,334.00 6. Northern Illinois $8,035,152.00 7. Buffalo $7,796,405.00 8. Akron $7,253,770.00 9. Central Michigan $7,233,254.00 10. Ball State $7,044,512.00 11. Kent State $6,861,750.00 12. Bowling Green $6,537,321.00 F.Y.I. - WMU went undefeated this year until they played Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl losing 24-16. Their record was 13-1 and included a MACC and also an appearance in a New Year's Day bowl game. They did so spending approximately $1,467,554.00 less than we did. I'd like to see a plot of avg. spending and avg. Sagarin ranking over a 5 year period. It would be interesting to see who is most effectively using their money. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,172 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 8:30:14 AM  Damn, 4 programs with 2 or less in 10 years. That sure would suck in this day and age. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,458 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 11:06:12 AM  ou79 wrote: To address the "funding/budget" issue that some use on this Board as an excuse, here are the numbers for the budgets of all the MAC football programs for 2016-17 as reported by the U.S. Department of Education. These numbers are for football only and no other sport. 1. Ohio $10,134,888.00 2. Toledo $10,046,711.00 3. Miami $9,346,412.00 4. Eastern Michigan $9,033,503.00 5. Western Michigan $8,667,334.00 6. Northern Illinois $8,035,152.00 7. Buffalo $7,796,405.00 8. Akron $7,253,770.00 9. Central Michigan $7,233,254.00 10. Ball State $7,044,512.00 11. Kent State $6,861,750.00 12. Bowling Green $6,537,321.00 F.Y.I. - WMU went undefeated this year until they played Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl losing 24-16. Their record was 13-1 and included a MACC and also an appearance in a New Year's Day bowl game. They did so spending approximately $1,467,554.00 less than we did. Also, when considering football budget, this money includes the scholarships, right? We cost more than most, probably except for Miami and Buffalo. So some of that cost for scholarships doesn't necessarily mean more football spending. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 11:15:10 AM  BryanHall wrote: These are just 2 data points. A small (and sometimes vocal) group places the lack of MAC title as a key indicator of failure. I think most observers see the ten years of bowl eligibility as a key indicator of success. It is all about how much weight you place on either. There is no right or wrong answer. Personally, I look at the situation in three ways: If you told me when Frank took the job this is what we would get, would I be satisfied? I would. Are we more likely to win a title in the next five years with Frank or a replacement? I will stick with Frank. Is this program more likely to tank in the next five years under Frank or a replacement? I look at BGSUcks and can say any MAC really good program can be sunk by one coach--I don't see the Cats not being competitive with Frank. I don't claim my viewpoint is correct for everyone else. I agree with you to a point. One place where I think you might be being too black-and-white is the failure/success label. I don't think anyone is categorizing the Solich era as a failure because there hasn't been a MACC in 14 years. I certainly don't. But I think it's pretty amazing that it's been 50 years since Ohio has last won a MAC title when no other team has waited more than 31 ... and Ohio has a coach that will go down as the winningest coach in league history ... and yet, he still hasn't found a way to win a MACC? I think the program has been wildly successful since Solich took over ... but it's overdue for this program to win a title. That's the failure. The program as a whole has been a success ... but zero MACC is a failure. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,196 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 11:57:19 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: ou79 wrote: To address the "funding/budget" issue that some use on this Board as an excuse, here are the numbers for the budgets of all the MAC football programs for 2016-17 as reported by the U.S. Department of Education. These numbers are for football only and no other sport. 1. Ohio $10,134,888.00 2. Toledo $10,046,711.00 3. Miami $9,346,412.00 4. Eastern Michigan $9,033,503.00 5. Western Michigan $8,667,334.00 6. Northern Illinois $8,035,152.00 7. Buffalo $7,796,405.00 8. Akron $7,253,770.00 9. Central Michigan $7,233,254.00 10. Ball State $7,044,512.00 11. Kent State $6,861,750.00 12. Bowling Green $6,537,321.00 F.Y.I. - WMU went undefeated this year until they played Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl losing 24-16. Their record was 13-1 and included a MACC and also an appearance in a New Year's Day bowl game. They did so spending approximately $1,467,554.00 less than we did. Also, when considering football budget, this money includes the scholarships, right? We cost more than most, probably except for Miami and Buffalo. So some of that cost for scholarships doesn't necessarily mean more football spending. Miami, Northern then us. On aveage we are less than $2,000 more than the other schools so that only works out to $170,000 at most. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,020 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 4:01:26 PM  Does this budget/funding include coaches salaries? Fleck at WMU was making a million with incentives before he departed for Minnesota and his staff probably was paid more than Ohio's coaches also. According to the latest USA Today Coaching salaries Frank was the 5th highest paid coach in the conference behind Candle of Toledo who is paid $1.125 million, Lester at WMU at $800,000, recently fired Bonamego at CMU $655,000, Carey at NI $633,460 and then Frank at $580,331. Ohio's football assistants aren't paid near the amount of top assistant coaches in the MAC according to the USA Today 2017 assistant coaches salaries. In 2017 the top paid assistant was at Buffalo as Ianello made over $214,000. The Akron DC was paid abou $200,000 and two coaches for WMU made $181,000. Two coaches at NI made at least $170,000. Eastern, Kent, Ball State and other MAC assistants were paid more than the $141,466 that the Bobcat OC and DC made. The total pay for MAC assistants in 2017 was WMU at $1,074,000, Toledo at almost $996,000, Miami $974,000 Ohio 971,640 and Ball State at over $961,000. Marshall in the CUSA paid over $1,216,000 to assistants. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 4:13:59 PM  Bobcat1996 wrote: Does this budget/funding include coaches salaries? Fleck at WMU was making a million with incentives before he departed for Minnesota and his staff probably was paid more than Ohio's coaches also. According to the latest USA Today Coaching salaries Frank was the 5th highest paid coach in the conference behind Candle of Toledo who is paid $1.125 million, Lester at WMU at $800,000, recently fired Bonamego at CMU $655,000, Carey at NI $633,460 and then Frank at $580,331. Ohio's football assistants aren't paid near the amount of top assistant coaches in the MAC according to the USA Today 2017 assistant coaches salaries. In 2017 the top paid assistant was at Buffalo as Ianello made over $214,000. The Akron DC was paid abou $200,000 and two coaches for WMU made $181,000. Two coaches at NI made at least $170,000. Eastern, Kent, Ball State and other MAC assistants were paid more than the $141,466 that the Bobcat OC and DC made. The total pay for MAC assistants in 2017 was WMU at $1,074,000, Toledo at almost $996,000, Miami $974,000 Ohio 971,640 and Ball State at over $961,000. Marshall in the CUSA paid over $1,216,000 to assistants. Does it really matter what Ohio is paying their assistants? Burrow and Albin aren't leaving. No one is coming after them either. They are 100% content with the status quo in terms of salary and job security. Until Frank gets in the market to replace either of them, Ohio assistant coaching salaries is a moot point. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,636 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Bowl Eligibility Last 10 Years    Posted: 11/26/2018 7:06:48 PM  bshot44 wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: Does this budget/funding include coaches salaries? Fleck at WMU was making a million with incentives before he departed for Minnesota and his staff probably was paid more than Ohio's coaches also. According to the latest USA Today Coaching salaries Frank was the 5th highest paid coach in the conference behind Candle of Toledo who is paid $1.125 million, Lester at WMU at $800,000, recently fired Bonamego at CMU $655,000, Carey at NI $633,460 and then Frank at $580,331. Ohio's football assistants aren't paid near the amount of top assistant coaches in the MAC according to the USA Today 2017 assistant coaches salaries. In 2017 the top paid assistant was at Buffalo as Ianello made over $214,000. The Akron DC was paid abou $200,000 and two coaches for WMU made $181,000. Two coaches at NI made at least $170,000. Eastern, Kent, Ball State and other MAC assistants were paid more than the $141,466 that the Bobcat OC and DC made. The total pay for MAC assistants in 2017 was WMU at $1,074,000, Toledo at almost $996,000, Miami $974,000 Ohio 971,640 and Ball State at over $961,000. Marshall in the CUSA paid over $1,216,000 to assistants. Does it really matter what Ohio is paying their assistants? Burrow and Albin aren't leaving. No one is coming after them either. They are 100% content with the status quo in terms of salary and job security. Until Frank gets in the market to replace either of them, Ohio assistant coaching salaries is a moot point. Very true Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. 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