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  Message Not Read  🖕🖕🖕 Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 1:45:42 PM 
Well said Mr. David Briggs.

This is a great case study into how absurd this weeknight nonsense has gotten

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/2018/10/23/David-Br...
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  Message Not Read  RE: 🖕🖕🖕 Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 3:22:05 PM 
Once upon a time, these weeknight MACtion games made some sense because it was a way of gaining exposure for schools in the conference. It worked. I've lived in California since 2003 and the number of people I run into since MACtion began who know OHIO (not OSU or confusing us as OSU) is astounding. Prior to weeknight MACtion, people here didn't know who OHIO was but now, I get comments from coworkers who flipped on our game (probably by accident) the night before, for example. The awareness in a far away place, like California, has been dramatic. BUT...with all the cord cutting that is going on as well as the advent of ESPN3, Plus, etc., the value of the weeknight MACtion deal is diminishing very fast. Any of us can now subscribe and watch every OU football game - and not just that, I can watch OU volleyball, women's soccer, etc. I get it that ESPN2 or ESPNU is still a more common sports channel that the average fan is likely to just turn on and watch but that is really changing fast and the cord cutting is going to normalize the entire landscape and again, the value of these weeknight games. Case in point, I can now watch my grad school alma mater's (Campbell University) FCS football games every Saturday. Yes, they play almost all their games on Saturday. This is a small school in North Carolina that didn't even have football a decade ago and now they have just as many games broadcast on the ESPN family of networks as our FBS, 100+ year old football program. I would hope that the MAC would not renew the contract once it expires.
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  Message Not Read  Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 5:40:29 PM 
I agree with the argument except where he describes the ESPN deal as "nominal." We're getting pretty good money compared to some other conferences, and we need every penny of it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 5:53:07 PM 
SBH wrote:
I agree with the argument except where he describes the ESPN deal as "nominal." We're getting pretty good money compared to some other conferences, and we need every penny of it.




Agree ... the money is not nominal. It is a hefty bag of cash. That's the issue. League is essentially being held hostage by ESPN because that carrot is dangled in front of them.

It sucks. I really wish they could find a happy medium.

ESPN pulled the rug on them with this ESPN+ platform that was NOT in play when MAC agreed to this deal. You used to be able to watch almost any and all MAC football & hoops on ESPN3 at worst as long as you had cable subscription.

Now you have to pay EXTRA to get ESPN+

It's garbage.

Playing half your season on weeknights is overkill ... and it's not fair to players or local fan bases.

MAC is tone deaf to it.

Season tickets are down across the league. Stands are empty for all those weeknight games no matter who plays.

Ohio v Toledo was best game in MAC last year ... and Ohio had a JV soccer crowd at Peden for it cause it was a weeknight.

MAC don't care.

I totally see value of each team hosting one weeknight game and playing one on the road. But more than that is a watered down product.

ESPN is a money monster just using these smaller leagues as their puppets because they know they need the money.

I thought this article humanized it from a players perspective. 3 games in 12 days PLUS class?!?! That's just insane!!!

MAC don't care. Chi-ching! 💰💰💰

Hate it. Just hate it.

There will be maybe 5000 in Peden tomorrow .... and would be 15k+ if it was Saturday afternoon.

Last Edited: 10/24/2018 5:53:38 PM by bshot44
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 10:53:41 PM 
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other college sports athletes have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, so I don’t see how football players can’t handle it, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 10:56:13 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other sports have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


Toledo also has 3 games in 12 days.

But, remember ... it's all about the student-athlete.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/24/2018 10:59:49 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other sports have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


Toledo also has 3 games in 12 days.

But, remember ... it's all about the student-athlete.


Got to pay their scholarships somehow. Tough for Toledo too, but at least they’re home next week.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 8:00:50 AM 
The costs keep rising at a record rate even for a MAC-level team. Got to cover these expenses somehow.

For example, the NCAA now permits schools to pay for the travel of a recruit's parents for campus visits. Big schools automatically started doing this and we are essentially forced to do the same. Huge hit to our recruiting budget.

We have to pay for medical policies for players, and the costs rise every year. Additionally, we cover the significant out-of-pocket expense for each surgery and other medical procedure.

We also need to do more to provide mental health assistance - Ohio does not have a full-time counselor to help student athletes whereas many/most other schools do. We're holding things together with duct tape and baling wire...and need that TV money.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 🖕🖕🖕 Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 9:52:50 AM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
Case in point, I can now watch my grad school alma mater's (Campbell University) FCS football games every Saturday. Yes, they play almost all their games on Saturday. This is a small school in North Carolina that didn't even have football a decade ago and now they have just as many games broadcast on the ESPN family of networks as our FBS, 100+ year old football program. I would hope that the MAC would not renew the contract once it expires.


But is Campbell University getting $650,000 a year from ESPN for the broadcast rights? I think you are right, viewing habits and access is changing. But schools need to follow the money and the money is from ESPN (for now). Why would you not want the MAC to renew a contract that pays the league $100M to broadcast your games nationally?
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  Message Not Read  RE: 🖕🖕🖕 Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 11:31:17 AM 
I'd like to see that MAC/ESPN contract and wonder what the fine print looks like regarding ESPN+ since the deal was signed before it was launched. Or if the deal encompasses ESPN as a whole, no matter the platform.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 11:34:30 AM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other college sports athletes have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, so I don’t see how football players can’t handle it, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


I'm glad somebody said it. Football has it nice compared to other sports and their travel schedules. Baseball/softball may play two road games during the midweek, then bus to wherever (typically Thursday morning) and won't return to campus until the late hours of Sunday maybe Monday morning. Then expected to be in class at 8am on monday.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 11:42:02 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other college sports athletes have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, so I don’t see how football players can’t handle it, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


I'm glad somebody said it. Football has it nice compared to other sports and their travel schedules. Baseball/softball may play two road games during the midweek, then bus to wherever (typically Thursday morning) and won't return to campus until the late hours of Sunday maybe Monday morning. Then expected to be in class at 8am on monday.


I really think you need to consider the physical aspects of football vs. softball.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 11:45:07 AM 
Briggs is really finding his voice as a columnist. Always liked his stuff as a reporter and he’s really settling in nicely as a columnist. As that role loses its cache more and more, it’s great to see a young guy excel on that role.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 12:49:06 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other college sports athletes have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, so I don’t see how football players can’t handle it, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


I'm glad somebody said it. Football has it nice compared to other sports and their travel schedules. Baseball/softball may play two road games during the midweek, then bus to wherever (typically Thursday morning) and won't return to campus until the late hours of Sunday maybe Monday morning. Then expected to be in class at 8am on monday.


I really think you need to consider the physical aspects of football vs. softball.



Oh, its been considered. I totally agree that football is physically harder on the body and would never argue otherwise. If you read the article the majority of the context is focused on the "student" side of being a student-athlete and how the travel impacts class work. All I'm saying is that the football travel schedule is a bigger deal in regards to player safety than it is for academic challenges. Other student-athletes get it done in the classroom with more rigorous schedules.

I also can't speak on the travel schedules of the other sports that I did not play so I left those teams out of it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 1:43:17 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
OhioStunter wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Bobcat110 wrote:
Wow. Ball state plays last Saturday, then 5 days later at Ohio, then 6 days later in Toledo? That does suck. Giving them back to Back short weeks on the road is bush league

But I’ll admit I like being able to watch the weeknight games. I can see other MAC teams in action that I wouldn’t be able or bother to watch on Saturday because I’d be watching Ohio or busy with something else. The wife goes to bed early on a weeknight and I can enjoy whatever game is on. Especially in November when a game like Buffalo, Miami or Akron playing may have to implications for Ohio. Other college sports athletes have more disruptive scheduling to deal with, so I don’t see how football players can’t handle it, but the MAC shouldn’t **** abuse a team like they are Ball State.


I'm glad somebody said it. Football has it nice compared to other sports and their travel schedules. Baseball/softball may play two road games during the midweek, then bus to wherever (typically Thursday morning) and won't return to campus until the late hours of Sunday maybe Monday morning. Then expected to be in class at 8am on monday.


I really think you need to consider the physical aspects of football vs. softball.



Oh, its been considered. I totally agree that football is physically harder on the body and would never argue otherwise. If you read the article the majority of the context is focused on the "student" side of being a student-athlete and how the travel impacts class work. All I'm saying is that the football travel schedule is a bigger deal in regards to player safety than it is for academic challenges. Other student-athletes get it done in the classroom with more rigorous schedules.

I also can't speak on the travel schedules of the other sports that I did not play so I left those teams out of it.


You are right that we often do not factor in the travel schedules on the academic (and personal) side of athletes -- especially in the sports you mentioned.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 3:44:11 PM 
If the MAC is trying to complete with other G5 schools ... which they should be ... here is a breakdown of things the rest of the year.

Group of 5 Saturday games the rest of season:

CUSA - 33
AAC - 25
MWC - 25
Sun Belt - 23
MAC - 7

Weeknight games

MAC - 20
AAC - 6
MWC - 4
CUSA - 3
Sun Belt - 2

How on earth are these other programs able to survive without playing so many weeknight games?!?!

Or maybe ... how is the MAC not able to figure out how to maybe even these numbers out a bit and maybe, hmmm ... play only 10 weeknight games? You have 12 teams in the league ... if each played twice on weeknights during league play, that would give ESPN/CBSSN more than enough options to put games on TV

Do you really think have games on Tues, Wed and Thurs in the same week really benefits the MAC?

You really think that Average Football Fan Joe is choosing to watch on a Thursday night ...

Ohio vs. Ball
Toledo vs. WMU
Akron vs. NIU
Ohio vs. WMU
Toledo vs. Kent

... over the next four weeks rather than watch an NFL game (which I agree are garbage too usually)

I'm sorry. It's overkill by the league. It's a saturated product. They have jumped the shark and it would be nice for them to scale back.

It used to be premier MAC games spotlighting the best in the league on weeknights. Now we get Miami vs. Ball State and CMU vs. BG. C'mon.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 4:43:31 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
How on earth are these other programs able to survive without playing so many weeknight games?!?!


Simple. They decide to spend more of their tuition income on athletics. And ignore complainers. Right?


Last Edited: 10/25/2018 4:44:07 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 4:55:22 PM 
bshot44 wrote:

You really think that Average Football Fan Joe is choosing to watch on a Thursday night ...

Ohio vs. Ball
Toledo vs. WMU
Akron vs. NIU
Ohio vs. WMU
Toledo vs. Kent



This is especially true when you consider that in addition to OUr game, Baylor's playing #13 West Virginia on FS1 and Georgia Tech's playing Va. Tech on ESPN tonight. Heck, even #25 Appalachian State is on TV tonight. I have to think the casual FBS fan, if they are even watching college football tonight, will choose those games over the Ohio-Ball State game.

I understand the need for the $ the MAC's bringing w/ ESPN for these Wed./Thurs. evening games, but it sure comes at a significant cost to both the players and the local fans (not to mention local businesses losing whatever revenue they otherwise would normally see for a Saturday afternoon football game).

At least the MAC struck the deal with ESPN when they did. I have to think in the next round of contracts, the $ ESPN will be willing to spend will be significantly less.
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   Posted: 10/25/2018 6:23:25 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
(not to mention local businesses losing whatever revenue they otherwise would normally see for a Saturday afternoon football game).

At least the MAC struck the deal with ESPN when they did. I have to think in the next round of contracts, the $ ESPN will be willing to spend will be significantly less.



Jackie Os had 35 minutes wait tonight. Heard the bartender say “What’s going on? Is there a game tonight? “
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   Posted: 10/25/2018 6:27:17 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
If the MAC is trying to complete with other G5 schools ... which they should be ... here is a breakdown of things the rest of the year



Doesn’t the MAC normally get skunked by other G5 schools? Aren’t we 1 and forever vs them in bowl games last few years?
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   Posted: 10/25/2018 7:07:30 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
(not to mention local businesses losing whatever revenue they otherwise would normally see for a Saturday afternoon football game).

At least the MAC struck the deal with ESPN when they did. I have to think in the next round of contracts, the $ ESPN will be willing to spend will be significantly less.



Jackie Os had 35 minutes wait tonight. Heard the bartender say “What’s going on? Is there a game tonight? “



That's actually an interesting point. There may be more business locally for a weeknight game. I would imagine business is good on an Athens weekend whether there is a game on Saturday or not. A bump on a Wednesday or Thursday doesn't hurt local businesses.
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   Posted: 10/25/2018 7:12:35 PM 
I worked at several bars on Court Street no one hardly ever knows whats going on with Ohio Sports unless its on the TV
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   Posted: 10/25/2018 10:24:58 PM 
Okay Football Gods, I'll make you a deal: if we keep playing like that in weeknight games, I won't complain about them ever again. Heck, if we do get to play them all like that, move'em all to weeknights!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Weeknight #MACtion
   Posted: 10/25/2018 10:50:57 PM 
I don't really care how many football junkies watch MACaction. It is only a benefit to OHIO if we attract football players from Texas or Cali or wherever, get more students to enroll at Ohio, or get more alumni money. I suggest someone survey frosh recruits, new students, and alumni to see if the mid week games are worth it. I gotta believe crowds of 20,000 on Saturday would offset some of the ESPN money. Right now, nobody really knows the value of midweek games. And it does look like the MAC gets screwed given how many games the league plays vs the peer conferences.
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   Posted: 10/26/2018 4:35:53 PM 
NIU also has 3 games in 12 days. We play BYU this Saturday, then Akron 5 days later, then Toledo 6 days later. So who knows how many other MAC teams also have that. It's ridiculous.

Regarding weeknights, my sentiments are the same as most on here. It's gotten totally out of hand. They used to be ESPN2, then they were on ESPNU, then they were on ESPN3, and now ESPN+. What's next? Obviously the exposure has not helped recruiting versus the other conferences, based on the results of bowl games, and probably the other OOC games also. And the money is something you could get by playing one more money game against a P5 team.
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