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We need better preparation, we start off slow most of the time. We need to uncork Rourke, he is our best weapon, he needs to feel comfortable throwing the ball 30 times a game. We need to vary our routes, Papi runs the stem out route on almost every third down and the defense is able to game plan and sit on it. Finally, the tackling is atrocious, we need more tackling drills. There should not be any start forever prospects for next year. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 8:53:59 AM  allen wrote: We need to recruit better db’s, they are not able to match up with good MAC offenses. We need better preparation, we start off slow most of the time. We need to uncork Rourke, he is our best weapon, he needs to feel comfortable throwing the ball 30 times a game. We need to vary our routes, Papi runs the stem out route on almost every third down and the defense is able to game plan and sit on it. Finally, the tackling is atrocious, we need more tackling drills. There should not be any start forever prospects for next year. All of that, especially better recruiting. We need players that can perform in the crunch, playmakers that perform when needed most. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 9:02:41 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: allen wrote: We need to recruit better db’s, they are not able to match up with good MAC offenses. We need better preparation, we start off slow most of the time. We need to uncork Rourke, he is our best weapon, he needs to feel comfortable throwing the ball 30 times a game. We need to vary our routes, Papi runs the stem out route on almost every third down and the defense is able to game plan and sit on it. Finally, the tackling is atrocious, we need more tackling drills. There should not be any start forever prospects for next year. All of that, especially better recruiting. We need players that can perform in the crunch, playmakers that perform when needed most. I agree Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:09:06 AM  What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Last Edited: 11/8/2018 10:09:21 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:12:07 AM  rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Can we find TJ Wright and Dion Byrum again? Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,803 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:14:52 AM  rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. I get our academic standards are a little higher, but they aren't all that higher for athletes. You guys make it sound like we're recruiting rocket-scientists or Harvard educated lawyers here.....we're not. The big thing I would say is getting HS coaches with heavy in-state ties on-staff and have a new one coming up your ranks every two years. Bring them in as a director of football ops or whatever and that allows you to begin building goodwill in the state. As long as you can recruit the 3 C's and Western PA, there's no reason why this program should be that bad. As I have said before, our strength is in our walk-on program. But at some point, the scholarship players have to deliver because it has appeared historically we put walk-on's on scholarship far too often for a program like ours where we shouldn't be striking out on the recruiting trail. Just saying Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:16:00 AM  allen wrote: rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Can we find TJ Wright and Dion Byrum again? They were both gems. I don't know how highly recruited they were. Thing is,its not getting occasional standouts,its a consistent talent pool. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,182 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:21:44 AM  rpbobcat wrote: allen wrote: rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Can we find TJ Wright and Dion Byrum again? They were both gems. I don't know how highly recruited they were. Thing is,its not getting occasional standouts,its a consistent talent pool. Dion wasn't a Solich recruit and I don't think TJ was either? Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:27:16 AM  rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Somehow Leopold's doing it in Buffalo. Athens is much nicer than Buffalo (no offense to Buffalo) and not nearly as cold or snowy. If Leopold can get players to come to Buffalo, a coach who excels in recruiting can get players to Athens. That being said, perhaps Buffalo's players aren't true students like Ohio's or maybe Ohio's academic standards are higher, I don't know. If that's the case, then yes that may explain the difference between the two programs and recruiting. Last Edited: 11/8/2018 12:38:14 PM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 10:47:26 AM  Buffalo has a very strong academic reputation. Ohio isn't exactly Harvard right now...except for the roster. "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,997 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 11:38:47 AM  Every program in the country is looking for DBs in this era of the hyper-efficient offense and the un-coverable RPO. I think Ohio's strategy to try to just create as many turnovers as possible is the best way to go for a mid-major program where every DB is going to be under six foot and a bit undersized. The tackling and coverage is bad at all the lower level of college football. It's bad in the power five programs. There's a handful of teams that have great secondaries and they're on a different recruting level than Ohio. I think Ohio can develop one better than this secondary, but I don't see the Bobcats having lockdown corners anytime soon. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 12:48:28 PM  Besides recruiting, the easiest things to do better in my eyes is: Shake up the coaching staff - get fresh blood in and change up what they're doing. For God's sake, run some plays under center for a different look once in awhile. Demonstrate some imagination more frequently and quit relying on always executing perfectly in the base offense/defense. Get the damn ball to Papi White 15+ times a game every single game instead of the 4.9 times a game he is averaging right now. Move him around. Get him in space. Besides Nathan Rourke, he's head and shoulders the most dynamic player wearing green & white on the field. Quit feeding me the "We're going to be a physical football team, and we just have to execute better than the other guys" types of lines. That should be a given, and assumed. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,570 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 1:00:18 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Athens is much nicer than Buffalo (no offense to Buffalo) and not nearly as cold or snowy. But Buffalo has better wings :-) Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 4:49:13 PM  rpbobcat wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Athens is much nicer than Buffalo (no offense to Buffalo) and not nearly as cold or snowy. But Buffalo has better wings :-) Good wings is, indeed, a plus. Back to Top Donuts General User Member Since: 9/22/2010 Post Count: 717 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 4:58:08 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: rpbobcat wrote: What I'd like to know is, how exactly do you recruit better players ? A number of people have posted previously about how hard it is to convince some players to come to Athens. O.U. also recruits true student-athletes. I would think both factors limit your talent pool. Somehow Leopold's doing it in Buffalo. Athens is much nicer than Buffalo (no offense to Buffalo) and not nearly as cold or snowy. If Leopold can get players to come to Buffalo, a coach who excels in recruiting can get players to Athens. That being said, perhaps Buffalo's players aren't true students like Ohio's or maybe Ohio's academic standards are higher, I don't know. If that's the case, then yes that may explain the difference between the two programs and recruiting. Buffalo is a better school, overall, than Ohio academically. Buffalo is an actual city, regardless of temperature. Athens is a college town stuck in the middle of poor, predominantly white, hilly America. It's really not hard to see how Buffalo can out recruit Ohio. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,803 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/8/2018 5:32:53 PM  Brian Smith wrote: Every program in the country is looking for DBs in this era of the hyper-efficient offense and the un-coverable RPO. I think Ohio's strategy to try to just create as many turnovers as possible is the best way to go for a mid-major program where every DB is going to be under six foot and a bit undersized. The tackling and coverage is bad at all the lower level of college football. It's bad in the power five programs. There's a handful of teams that have great secondaries and they're on a different recruting level than Ohio. I think Ohio can develop one better than this secondary, but I don't see the Bobcats having lockdown corners anytime soon. If anything needs to adjusted in this era from what I have gathered is linebackers. Linebackers are the driving force between a spread offense dying in its tracks and going for 700 yards. To me, this is the position where your best ATHLETES need to be playing. I am not talking about guys who can jump the highest, these guys need to have serious wheels but brains. I would be recruiting the heck out of guys who are quick but smart and carry a bit of physicality to them. Dunno how to find these off-hand, but to me that is how you kill the spread O in a hurry. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/9/2018 8:00:11 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Brian Smith wrote: Every program in the country is looking for DBs in this era of the hyper-efficient offense and the un-coverable RPO. I think Ohio's strategy to try to just create as many turnovers as possible is the best way to go for a mid-major program where every DB is going to be under six foot and a bit undersized. The tackling and coverage is bad at all the lower level of college football. It's bad in the power five programs. There's a handful of teams that have great secondaries and they're on a different recruting level than Ohio. I think Ohio can develop one better than this secondary, but I don't see the Bobcats having lockdown corners anytime soon. If anything needs to adjusted in this era from what I have gathered is linebackers. Linebackers are the driving force between a spread offense dying in its tracks and going for 700 yards. To me, this is the position where your best ATHLETES need to be playing. I am not talking about guys who can jump the highest, these guys need to have serious wheels but brains. I would be recruiting the heck out of guys who are quick but smart and carry a bit of physicality to them. Dunno how to find these off-hand, but to me that is how you kill the spread O in a hurry. Agree about the LBs vs the spread. This, however, assumes the DL to their front is handling the line of scrimmage. Some examples of LBs you are describing might be; Kieth Moore, Jovon Johnson, Blair Brown, Chad Moore, Q. Poling, Evan Crouch and Ben Russell. Dunno how Ohio found these guys, but, it is not like Ohio has a recent history of poor LBs. What "era" of LB play are you referring to that needs better LB play? "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,015 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/9/2018 10:06:10 AM  Linebackers are only as good as the guys in front of them. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,182 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/9/2018 11:14:06 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Linebackers are only as good as the guys in front of them. Some truth to this. When have Ohio's best years been? When they've had good DLs probably, right? Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,048 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/9/2018 11:25:22 AM  Here's a question: Frank long complained that the lack of an IPF kept his team from recruiting top athletes. We've had the IPF for 4 years now. Are we seeing a benefit? Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 907 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/9/2018 3:50:35 PM  As for recruiting, maybe Ohio should focus more on JC players? The Bulls best WR and future NFL player Anthony Johnson is a JC guy who played in Iowa before going to Buffalo. Back to Top Valley Cat General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Location: Jackson Twp., OH Post Count: 1,182 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/10/2018 8:06:11 AM  You could have one quality win when you are the favorite to win the conference. This team has me baffled they have totally underachieved. Coaching maybe, recruiting maybe, effort maybe. All I’m sure of is I was fooled to drive four plus to Oxford. Even I will have a hard time convincing myself to drive three hours Wednesday night. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/10/2018 9:28:53 AM  Valley Cat wrote: You could have one quality win when you are the favorite to win the conference. This team has me baffled they have totally underachieved. Coaching maybe, recruiting maybe, effort maybe. All I’m sure of is I was fooled to drive four plus to Oxford. Even I will have a hard time convincing myself to drive three hours Wednesday night. Will be a template Ohio plug-n-play season Wins over Howard, UMass, Kent, BG, Ball, WMU & Akron Losers to UC, UVa, NIU, Miami & UB 7-5 (5-3) ... bowl eligible Beat almost all teams with losing records ... except for WMU who will be at best 7-5 Lose to almost all teams with winning records ... except Miami, which checks the bad loss/per season box. Wash, rinse and repeat. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,730 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/10/2018 11:49:20 AM  SBH wrote: Here's a question: Frank long complained that the lack of an IPF kept his team from recruiting top athletes. We've had the IPF for 4 years now. Are we seeing a benefit? Although I contributed to the IPF, it was with misgivings about any positive influence on recruiting. Chief reason for misgivings was - is - Kent's having had an IPF for more than 20 years and having 1 winning season during that span. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,803 Status: Offline     RE: What can be done better?    Posted: 11/10/2018 8:48:06 PM  Bcat2 wrote: Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Brian Smith wrote: Every program in the country is looking for DBs in this era of the hyper-efficient offense and the un-coverable RPO. I think Ohio's strategy to try to just create as many turnovers as possible is the best way to go for a mid-major program where every DB is going to be under six foot and a bit undersized. The tackling and coverage is bad at all the lower level of college football. It's bad in the power five programs. There's a handful of teams that have great secondaries and they're on a different recruting level than Ohio. I think Ohio can develop one better than this secondary, but I don't see the Bobcats having lockdown corners anytime soon. If anything needs to adjusted in this era from what I have gathered is linebackers. Linebackers are the driving force between a spread offense dying in its tracks and going for 700 yards. To me, this is the position where your best ATHLETES need to be playing. I am not talking about guys who can jump the highest, these guys need to have serious wheels but brains. I would be recruiting the heck out of guys who are quick but smart and carry a bit of physicality to them. Dunno how to find these off-hand, but to me that is how you kill the spread O in a hurry. Agree about the LBs vs the spread. This, however, assumes the DL to their front is handling the line of scrimmage. Some examples of LBs you are describing might be; Kieth Moore, Jovon Johnson, Blair Brown, Chad Moore, Q. Poling, Evan Crouch and Ben Russell. Dunno how Ohio found these guys, but, it is not like Ohio has a recent history of poor LBs. What "era" of LB play are you referring to that needs better LB play? Wasn't saying we were having problems. Just the drop off here from last year hurt, even though I thought our linebackers did well this year. As I have said on other posts, they have accounted for covering up flaws with our defense the last few years (cough, secondary) Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 35 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 223 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 222 Guests 1 Registered User:   Ryan Carey There are no other users looking at this page.

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