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Topic: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

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BobcatPride
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Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/22/2018 8:07:11 PM

With good reasons, there are a fair number of “Fire the coaches” posts. But does anyone have information on what the amount for payouts would be if Solich and staff were given pink slips? Would that amount be feasible?

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/22/2018 8:35:27 PM

Take the word Pride out of your name
Move to oxford

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/22/2018 8:42:52 PM

It could be $1,000,000 or it could be $1. It doesn't matter. We aren't doing it. You may not like it, but MAC Schools (especially this one) don't do buyouts.

Frank has done more for the program than any other coach in the last few decades. He may not be here next year, but it will be on his terms and it's certainly not going to happen during the season.

Last Edited: 9/22/2018 8:43:22 PM by Fletch1804

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/22/2018 9:43:25 PM

Well there are two clowns who can’t answer the question. Maybe somebody with knowledge of the coaching-staff members’ contacts can. Nobody said anything about in-season changes, but fired coaches usually get paid out for the rest of their contracts, or there is some negotiated buyout amount. Hoping to understand how financially realistic it is to discuss moving on from this staff.

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity. And when this coaching staff has proven it cannot recruit to the level of some other MAC teams, gets outcoached on Saturdays far to frequently, and haven’t/aren’t showing it can EVER get this team to win a MAC championship, you bet there will be some thinking about coaching changes.

I first bought season tickets the day OHIO hired Coach Solich, because I said that if the university was going to care enough about the program to bring hm in, I should buy into the program too. If the university really is too apathetic about the football program to make coaching changes when things have gone stale, that would be a sad thing to see.

Last Edited: 9/22/2018 9:44:53 PM by BobcatPride

Mark Lembright '85
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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/22/2018 9:54:21 PM

BobcatPride wrote:

IIf the university really is too apathetic about the football program to make coaching changes when things have gone stale, that would be a sad thing to see.

I think the condition of Peden Stadium (Sook Academic Center notwithstanding) tells you all you need to know about that.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 1:11:29 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

IIf the university really is too apathetic about the football program to make coaching changes when things have gone stale, that would be a sad thing to see.

I think the condition of Peden Stadium (Sook Academic Center notwithstanding) tells you all you need to know about that.

Yep, if it isn’t donated, it isn’t happening. We just strapped a state of the art building onto a dump because that is what was donated.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 2:11:24 AM

BobcatPride wrote:

What does the coaching staff have to do with a kid throwing a pick at the goal line and having a chance to win the game in the last minute? Glad to hear you bucked up for season tix in '05! I have seen many games since my first versus Cincinnati October 1981, my senior year of high school. The Solich era has produced opportunities to win games at the highest rate than anytime I have ever seen over that 37 year span. Do I wish we had a MAC Championship? Yes. Do I enjoy our team having a legit shot to win in about every contest? Yes. Solich and crew have done an excellent job in providing opportunities to win for this football program. If you do not believe this, you should have been attending games through the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. Not for lack of effort, but sometimes regrettable ball.

I would love to know UC's football budget versus ours as well, or any other big name opponent Ohio plays. Ohio is at a fraction. I have enjoyed watching this staff win against Pitt, Illinois, Penn State, Kentucky, etc., in person. Those have been some fun times! Also, have been there for some close losses, Ohio State (2008) 26-14, Tennessee (2009) 36-25, etc. I guarantee this was not happening in the 80's when I was at OU, or until this staff come onto the scene back in '05.

This is the best era of Ohio Football since the 60's. I do not think it can be disputed at all.

In closing, you can inquire and wish for what you want, free country.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 10:00:18 AM

cats28 wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

The level our football team plays at today is near P5 quality and light years from where Ohio was in previous eras, even the 60's when as a smaller college Ohio won the small college national championship. Ohio was 0-10 in 1965 and only won 5 games in '61, '64, '66, '69. That was not a program built to win bowl games and Ohio has won 3 bowls this decade.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 10:14:41 AM

ts1227 wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

IIf the university really is too apathetic about the football program to make coaching changes when things have gone stale, that would be a sad thing to see.

I think the condition of Peden Stadium (Sook Academic Center notwithstanding) tells you all you need to know about that.

Yep, if it isn’t donated, it isn’t happening. We just strapped a state of the art building onto a dump because that is what was donated.

Frank had the tower and weight room renovated. They hardly qualify as a dump. The stands could use some repairs and paint. The student side is not awe inspiring with the latest in professional stadium construction techniques included but where is the ROI for dropping $25 million into the stadium to get it to that level? ROI to me seems in bringing better home opponents in and playing more Saturday games and keeping the capacity where it is to drive up demand.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 11:40:03 AM

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Here are highlights of three MAC football programs over the past 10 years. Which of these exactly is "pathetic mediocrity"?

A. 9.1 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 2 bowl wins, top AP rating: #16
B. 8.0 wins per season, 2 losing seasons, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #19
C. 7.8 wins per season, 1 losing season, 3 bowl wins, top AP ranking: #23

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 11:44:36 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 11:47:10 AM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

Last Edited: 9/23/2018 11:47:49 AM by OhioStunter

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/23/2018 1:05:57 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

Let me give you an example here that might be transferable to our discussion here:

Michigan State football was for many years a true Jekyll and Hyde program. They would win games they had no business winning, and lose games that they had no business losing. In the process, they would lose games in horrific manners that would drive a fanbase nuts. In fact, they lost to Ohio $tate because they had 10 guys on a FG kick and Ohio $tate ran it back for a TD.

Michigan State got tired of this and attempted to change the narrative. They brought in Dantonio and was given financial resources and facility upgrades in an attempt to go toe-to-toe with the big boys of the Big Ten. He was able to pay his assistants top dollar and in the process was good enough to have a few coordinators plucked away from Michigan State to be head coaches (how many Solich coordinators in the last 10 years have moved up or become coaches? I rest my case). As Dantonio was given these resources, he took MSU to great heights, including MULTIPLE conference championships, BCS and Rose Bowl Appearances, and a College Football Playoff Appearance. During this time he's done an impressive job against rivals and had one truly bad season in his time up there.

For Michigan State to make the jump from mediocre, to good, to contending for nattys is nothing short of incredible. I look at Ohio University and go how come we haven't made the jump to winning MAC Titles? And if you don't think this is an apples to apples discussion, I can gladly bring IU into this maddening discussion for what OU looks like even though they have been so close to turning the corner.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 5:37:19 PM

As a serious answer, I believe that they coaches do not have a long term contract. I think it rolls over from year to year. I suspect that if they notify them now, 2019 would be their last year.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 5:51:30 PM

Ohio did better than expected on the road against an undefeated opponent, so yeah probably makes sense to start figuring out the details of the buyouts and get our plans for firings ready to go.

(Having said that, if Ohio stands a chance of a MAC championship this year they do, IMO, really need to play a strong game in all phases and get the W against UMass. I don't want to give a misimpression that I'll try to explain away any loss...but the Cincinnati loss does not discourage me much.)

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 6:04:44 PM

Cats-22 wrote:

Seeing the defense play the first 20 minutes against UC was somewhat encouraging. If they give up 600 yards to U.Mass, I will not be encouraged at all. I believe Ohio can be in the running to win the MAC only if they hold MAC teams to 360 yards/game or less.
2016: Ohio gave up 360.2 yards/game average and 22.6 points/game
2011: Ohio gave up 361.4 yards/game average and 22.1 points/game
2009: Ohio gave up 348.5 yards/game average and 21.3 points/game
2006: Ohio gave up 302.9 yards/game average and 18.1 points/game

Ohio is not going to win the East if they give up 600 yards a game, nor 500, nor 400. Right now, Ohio is nearly 100 yards/game worse than anyone else in the MAC in pass defense, and their pass efficiency defense is an incredible 164.0, last in the MAC by far.
https://static.getsomemaction.com/custompages/stats/2018F...

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 7:35:02 PM

L.C. wrote:

Cats-22 wrote:

This is a good post and I appreciate the numbers, and I think I agree.

What I've been encouraged by is that the team seems to be getting better each week, and they've played well in stretches but have had breakdowns at times, which is normally what I associate with a good team that's just "green" -- they're streaky, they have the capability to play well but they haven't had enough game-speed repetition to develop consistency. Now, maybe that's wishful thinking and maybe it isn't, I think we'll find out a lot more against UMass.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 7:35:20 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

I’m not sure I’d use MSU as something to aspire to. That athletic program is only slightly less sordid than what Penn State’s was several years ago. How D’Antonio, Izzo, et al. still have jobs is beyond me.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 7:42:41 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

All I did was give an example of a football program that wanted to change the narrative, made the financial commitment and made the jump that we cannot make. Glad you got that out of the message when all I was trying to compare was how we SHOULD have made the jump to winning titles versus taking home 4 division titles in the worst division in the country.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 8:03:05 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Where would you put an o$u in this mix? Considering the Meyer/Smith/Smith situation that came full circle this summer; Tressel and his predicament; the former doctor being accused by former wrestlers and other athletes/non-athletes of misconduct/harassment; the former diving/swimming coaches accused of the same; etc. . .

PSU; MSU; OSU
PSU; OSU; MSU
MSU; OSU; PSU
MSU; PSU; OSU
OSU; PSU; MSU
OSU; MSU; PSU
A 3-way tie for first (or last)

Last Edited: 9/24/2018 8:04:19 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 8:27:42 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

B2B, you are too easy to tweak! I agree with you; I just hate MSU and despise what D’Antonio has tolerated in his program to get it where it’s been. Which does beg the question-can you get to the next level in the BCS and still run a clean program? Well sure, obviously, although examples seem to be becoming scarce. But that’s for another thread drift. But yes B2B, Ohio could have, still can and should aspire to get to the next level; Frank has said so repeatedly the last several months. I absolutely agree with you.

Don’t get me wrong BSquared, I’m no Ohio State honk but they really aren’t in the same company as MSU and Penn State. Sure there are allegations with Ohio State but the situations you mention are still only allegations. I firmly believe that one is innocent until proven guilty; due process is huge to me. There are no such allegations in the Penn State and MSU situations. There were concrete convictions. And if you go on shear numbers, that rat ******* Larry Nasser abused well over one hundred women. And his behavior went unchecked by the MSU administration for years. So for me, and this is just me only, I wouldn’t lump Ohio State with MSU and Penn State.

Last Edited: 9/24/2018 8:59:46 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 9:02:29 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Tragically I am an easy one to tweak, usually I come on at the end of the day after dealing with BS of everyone else and at that point usually carry a short fuse lol.

As to running a clean program and rising up, I think it's still possible. That said, don't invite the wolves to supper like Ole Miss did with Hugh Freeze......

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/24/2018 11:02:31 PM

Cats-22 wrote:

Ohio did better than expected on the road against an undefeated opponent, so yeah probably makes sense to start figuring out the details of the buyouts and get our plans for firings ready to go.

Figuring out the buyouts when any long term poster on here knows the entire staff including Frank himself is year-2-year at this point.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/26/2018 2:21:32 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.

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RE: Buyouts of coaches’ contracts?

Posted: 9/26/2018 2:40:08 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

BobcatPride wrote:

I’ve got way more Bobcat pride than to settle for pathetic mediocrity.

Again, mention the MAC Titles between those programs and which one went to a Power Bowl vs the Idaho Potato Bowl for all those 10 years.....

Again, if you want to measure mediocrity based on MAC titles as the sole factor, then yes, Ohio is pathetically mediocre. But a non-MAC win would have changed the narrative?

They brought in Dantonio after Nick Saban left. In your analogy here, Nick Saban is Frank Solich.

Actually, they brought in Bobby Williams and John L Smith before they got to Dantonio.

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