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Author Message Jeff Johnson General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 181 Status: Offline     A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 10:00:15 AM  I know that it has been conventional wisdom in college football over many years that the team that wins the pregame coin toss should elect to defer receiving the kickoff to the second half, but I have never seen or heard a convincing argument as to why that is good strategy. When the Bobcats win the pregame coin toss, why not receive the opening kickoff and give OUr team the opportunity to make the first score. In at least 4 of 5 games this season, the Bobcats have been burned in the first quarter by their opponents' scoring quick touchdowns before OUr defense has shaken off their early game jitters. In two games (against Virginia and Cincinnati) the team was never able to dig themselves out of the hole, even though they outscored both opponents over the final 3 quarters. I would argue that the dynamic of all of this season's games would have been altered had OUr offense received the opening kickoff and was able to score or at least move the ball down the field. Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico Back in the Land of Enchantment Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,246 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 10:55:49 AM  Jeff Johnson wrote: I know that it has been conventional wisdom in college football over many years that the team that wins the pregame coin toss should elect to defer receiving the kickoff to the second half, but I have never seen or heard a convincing argument as to why that is good strategy. When the Bobcats win the pregame coin toss, why not receive the opening kickoff and give OUr team the opportunity to make the first score. In at least 4 of 5 games this season, the Bobcats have been burned in the first quarter by their opponents' scoring quick touchdowns before OUr defense has shaken off their early game jitters. In two games (against Virginia and Cincinnati) the team was never able to dig themselves out of the hole, even though they outscored both opponents over the final 3 quarters. I would argue that the dynamic of all of this season's games would have been altered had OUr offense received the opening kickoff and was able to score or at least move the ball down the field. Works for me. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,803 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 10:56:49 AM  Doc Bobcat wrote: Jeff Johnson wrote: I know that it has been conventional wisdom in college football over many years that the team that wins the pregame coin toss should elect to defer receiving the kickoff to the second half, but I have never seen or heard a convincing argument as to why that is good strategy. When the Bobcats win the pregame coin toss, why not receive the opening kickoff and give OUr team the opportunity to make the first score. In at least 4 of 5 games this season, the Bobcats have been burned in the first quarter by their opponents' scoring quick touchdowns before OUr defense has shaken off their early game jitters. In two games (against Virginia and Cincinnati) the team was never able to dig themselves out of the hole, even though they outscored both opponents over the final 3 quarters. I would argue that the dynamic of all of this season's games would have been altered had OUr offense received the opening kickoff and was able to score or at least move the ball down the field. Works for me. Seconded. Whoever had that statline on another thread had it right. Back to Top Sam bobcat General User Member Since: 7/14/2015 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 11:03:41 AM  We lost the coin toss. Kent elected to receive. Back to Top Jeff Johnson General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 181 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 11:07:13 AM  Sam bobcat wrote: We lost the coin toss. Kent elected to receive. In that case, THEY made the correct choice... I don't believe that was always the case in the previous 4 games, but I don't know or don't remember that for certain. In any case, my proposal still stands... Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico Back in the Land of Enchantment Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 11:44:38 AM  It's a matter of opinion. One thought is get ball and score first. Other thought is you can possibly parlay back-to-back possessions to end 1st half & start 2nd half. And sidenote ... Ohio didn't dominate Cincinnati last 3 quarters ... was more like other way around. Ohio jumped out 21-0 and was outscored 34-9 rest of way. Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 11:50:45 AM  This Bobcat team reminds me of a seasoned boxer, who needs to take a few blows before getting warmed up and motivated. I don't see any quit in this team. Outmatched possibly, but no quit. I think this team is going to be just fine regardless of who starts off with the ball or not. Back to Top Jeff Johnson General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 181 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 12:13:02 PM  bshot44 wrote: It's a matter of opinion. One thought is get ball and score first. Other thought is you can possibly parlay back-to-back possessions to end 1st half & start 2nd half. And sidenote ... Ohio didn't dominate Cincinnati last 3 quarters ... was more like other way around. Ohio jumped out 21-0 and was outscored 34-9 rest of way. You are correct on that...guess I must have been sleeping during that game, or have projected back my memories of the Virginia and Massachusetts games to the Cincinnati game. :) Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico Back in the Land of Enchantment Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,016 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/7/2018 9:36:55 PM  If you defer you get the opportunity to have back to back possessions and scores, which can be 14 point or more swings and set the tone for the game and half. Also opportunity to start on a short field. Deferring is most always a solid choice. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,410 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/8/2018 11:13:03 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: If you defer you get the opportunity to have back to back possessions and scores, which can be 14 point or more swings and set the tone for the game and half. Also opportunity to start on a short field. Deferring is most always a solid choice. I've always thought the visitor should have the ball first, like baseball (well, they're on offense). A coin toss is a very silly way to determine something that is not a game of chance. I wonder if anyone has ever studied w/l as it relates to who kicks off the game. ... or just who wins the toss because it's a chance to play to your strength early. Aside from that, I like kicking off because it challenges your D to start the game off with a stop. Get that one stop and you're off and running! Of course, we don't ever get that stop, and our offense has yet to score on an opening drive, so who knows what would work. Last Edited: 10/8/2018 11:14:42 AM by Deciduous Forest Cat Back to Top ExCat21 General User Member Since: 9/29/2014 Post Count: 1,119 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/8/2018 12:33:51 PM  Defer defer defer! You want see what your opponent can do first. And as others have stated and Bellicheck has mastered...the 14 point momentum swing before halftime and 3rd quarter could play big momentum swing in second half. Never take the ball first. Especially in OT! Last Edited: 10/8/2018 12:34:23 PM by ExCat21 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,573 Status: Offline     RE: A modest proposal...    Posted: 10/8/2018 2:15:13 PM  trust the process I've seen crazier things happen. 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