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rpbobcat
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A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 7:08:22 PM

As a life long Giants fan,I was very happy the Browns took a Q.B.,ANY Q.B. and left Barkley on the board.

Just wonder how the pick went over with Brown's fans ?

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 7:42:54 PM

Has all the makings of the Johnnie $$$$$ Football 2.0 draft. Would just be soooooo Browns. IF this draft flames out like the last gazillion Browns drafts have gone, I think they should go full George Costanza. Whatever they think they should do, just do the opposite. How could the results get any worse?

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 8:22:07 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

I don't think it's that bad, but I've enjoyed the amusement that the Browns picking him has provided me this week.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 9:16:39 PM

I liked Barkley at #1 and Chubb at #4.

hope Mayfield works out but it seems high risk.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 9:27:18 PM

Not a Browns fan, but I thought they should have taken Barkley #1. He's the type of dynamic player that helps a QB by forcing the defense to account for him on every play. Tyrod Taylor isn't terrible--giving him Barkley as a dependable weapon would have done more for that offense than Mayfield's skill set, IMO.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/29/2018 9:51:50 PM

Was hoping for Barkley and any q.b. We got the qb but not Barkley. Can�t be too bummed though because we needed a corner and we may have gotten a steal in chubb. Some might say baker had off the field issues but he doesn�t seem like a bad guy. I like his high energy and think he will galvanize the players around him. I am worried that high energy and maybe ego will frustrate him if he sits on the bench. Which I would like to see him do. We have seen guys like Rodgers and Jimmy G benefit enormously by sitting and learning. I also thinks it shields them from injury. With Tyrod I would like to see us do this with a year or two with baker. I worry that his energy as well as the pressure from frustrated browns fans will push him to start sooner than he is ready for.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 8:05:48 AM

The Giants, Jets, and Broncos and their fans are really happy. And Browns fans are perplexed. That leads me to believe something went very wrong.

Why not take Barkley #1 and then Mayfield at #4? The Giants and Jets were not taking Mayfield.

Bizarre.

Last Edited: 4/30/2018 8:06:09 AM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 8:20:27 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

I think the Browns got the two players they wanted. They're just not the same guys most fans wanted them to take.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 8:41:43 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

The Giants probably not.

But, the week before the draft,it looked like the Jets were planning on taking Mayfield.

According to press reports out here,the Giants had made up their mind a while ago that,if Barkley was there,they were taking him.

Before the draft they interviewed a number of fans at Metlife for the draft party.
Everyone wanted Barkley.

The only people who seemed against Barkley were sportscasters,including the "experts" on radio stations like WFAN.
They went so far as to say that the buzz about Barkley from the Giants was just a "smokescreen".

Then again,the sports radio people were hoping for Mayfield because he would give them a lot to talk about,beyond football.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 9:42:20 AM

I was OK with the pick of Mayfield at 1, although I preferred Darnold, who's a good 3-4 inches taller than Mayfield. Mayfield's height is the only thing that has me concerned; he has the obvious talent. Problem is, 6 foot QBs are the exception and not the rule. Not sure I would've picked an exception with the No.1 pick, but we'll see how it works out. Mayfield was apparently on more than the Browns' radar as Peter King's MMQB column today says that the Cardinals offered a trade for the Browns for the No.4 pick but only if Mayfield was still on the board.

There's no way in you-know-where I would've drafted Barkley at No.1. In fact, there's not a running back out there I would ever pick at No.1. Great running backs don't take teams to the Super Bowl in today's NFL but great QBs do. (Not saying Mayfield is a great QB. I'm saying the QB position is far more important in today's NFL and is worthy if the No.1 pick, RBs aren't). In fact, in time I think the Giants will regret not taking a QB instead of taking Barkley. Manning is long past his prime at 37 years old and in fact had a miserable year last year. He's one hit away from retirement. When you have the No.2 pick in the draft with franchise QBs still on the board and your starting QB is 37, you draft the franchise QB. End of discussion. When was the last time the Patriots had a game-changing RB? Did a RB take the Eagles to the Super Bowl championship this year?

You have to have a game-changing QB to win, especially with the way the rules are set up. Everything else is secondary.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 10:23:32 AM

I was surprised but not shocked by any of the picks. I'm hoping that the kid from Nevada can play left tackle and that Ward and Nick Chubb make an immediate impact. I have zero expectations for Mayfield this year. All of the QB's have question marks and I didn't love any of them. Not surprised at all that they passed on Saquon and I just read that they really love Emmanuel Ogbah, which is a main reason they passed on Chubb at 4.

I'm still beyond excited that TJ Carrie is a Brown and he'll be one of the top 3 cornerbacks on the team this year. And I got to see him throw out the first pitch at the Tribe game this weekend.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 11:04:07 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Manning is long past his prime at 37 years old and in fact had a miserable year last year. He's one hit away from retirement. When you have the No.2 pick in the draft with franchise QBs still on the board and your starting QB is 37, you draft the franchise QB. End of discussion. When was the last time the Patriots had a game-changing RB? Did a RB take the Eagles to the Super Bowl championship this year?

You have to have a game-changing QB to win, especially with the way the rules are set up. Everything else is secondary.

Don't disagree about Manning being one hit away from retirement.

As far as his abilities,you can't really count last year.
They had an O line that was like musical chairs,due to injuries.
Same with their receivers.

From listening to the Giants GM,they seem to feel that Manning has at least a couple of more productive years.If not,they also seem to feel that Webb can do the job, and that none of the QB's in the draft would have elevated the QB position from where it is now,at least ,in the short term.
The Giants had a mini-camp right before the draft so they did have a chance to give Webb a good look.
Something none of us fans have.

Then again,a lot of Giants fans,me included,would love to see Trace McSorley come here.

The Giants have said they expect Barkley to be a leader "on and off the field".
Leadership,especially with players like JPP,who's now gone,and Beckam,who most fans want to be,has been lacking.

Last Edited: 4/30/2018 12:09:43 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 4/30/2018 12:10:01 PM

I've been working on a theory in my head recently:

The Cleveland Browns organization has decided to exist only for the NFL Draft. That's their Super Bowl. Think about how many jersey and tickets they are going to sell simply because of Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward.

Mayfield was arguably the most exciting player in the draft not named Lamar Jackson or Saquon Barkley. A cocky QB who likes to put on a show. And then Ward, an Ohio State product, who also just happens to be from Nordonia, will be rooted on by the hometown crowd.

Both of them were/are great players, but I highly doubt Mayfield would have been gone at #4 and is Ward such a good corner that you couldn't pass him up and get a different guy later? Charles Woodson was drafted at #4 by the Raiders after winning the Heisman trophy. Is Ward on that level? I don't know.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 11:47:53 AM

Heading into the draft I had us bypassing a QB to take Barkley at #1 and Chubb at #4. Similar to what others said above, my rationale on that was based on the fact that I am comfortable with Tyrod Taylor and I also think trying to predict which QB-prospect is likely to develop is harder than predicting which prospect at other positions will be successful.

However, I was really torn on those choices. Of the QBs, I liked Baker slightly more than Darnold and Rosen, but I would've been OK with any of the three. I firmly believe the Browns have gained access to more and more player data than I do to evaluate players the past few years. In trading for Tyrod Taylor and Jarvis Landry, then drafting Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward, it's clear the Browns are making informed decisions rather than letting consensus from the masses sway anything. I would've been good with whatever they decided. Excited to see it all play out.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 12:19:53 PM

The Optimist wrote:

After reading the comments from the Giants,I don't know if Chubb would have been there at #4.

The Giants have made it clear that,at least in the short term,they are O.K. with the Q.B. situation.

The Giants have always said they look for the "best player available".
If they weren't hot for a Q.B.,and didn't want to trade down,I think they take Chubb.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 2:44:22 PM

I don't know if I am qualified because I'm not exactly a huge fan anymore thanks to two decades of misery, a felonious owner, abysmal stadium experiences and unwatchable football. I'll still rise to the bait here and declare this to be to worst draft in the history of the franchise. Mayfield is not an NFL player and even if he had an iota of a chance to be one, his tiny ass will get shredded thanks to a porous offensive line and very few playmakers. Even if they wanted Manziel II, he'd have been there at #4 because no one else is stupid enough to take him top 5. Skipping on Barkley and Chubb to get an immature, man-baby gnome and an overrated corner is inexcusably awful and I'm confident it will go down as the worst draft ever.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 3:44:34 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

I'll tell you,it really bothers me when peole hold back,and don't say what they really think.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 3:54:44 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

I'll tell you,it really bothers me when peole hold back,and don't say what they really think.

I thought I'd put him down as "undecided"!

[First heard that comment when a political candidate [think it was Hubert Humphrey, but not sure] at some kind of a townhall meeting was being just ripped to shreds by a citizen. After listening to the guy's tirade for five minutes or so, the politician responded with, "Thanks for your comments, I'll put you down as undecided."]

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/1/2018 6:17:42 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

I'll tell you,it really bothers me when peole hold back,and don't say what they really think.

lol put me down as "undecided" also then. I find Recovering Journalist's candor refreshing.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/2/2018 12:44:56 AM

The Cleveland Browns always make the NFL Draft interesting. That is because they are the perfect reality show franchise, which takes dysfunction and incompetence, year after year, to new levels of utter insanity; in fact, one is always left feeling better not only for their own favorite NFL franchise, but due to the fact that one can be the greatest screw up in the world and still have a better track record than Cleveland. The only surprise this year is why, considering the decision to draft the overrated Mayfield, the Browns didn't try to convince another great Oklahoma NFL prospect by the name of Brian Bosworth to come out of retirement and thus be the anchor of their defense.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/2/2018 1:11:32 AM

First let me say that I'm not a Browns fan, but my son is. And, I watch practically every Browns game with him. As a result, I guess, the Browns have become my second favorite team. My son, like most of the posters here, is in a negative mood about the draft and thinks that they've blown it once again. I, however, am taking a different viewpoint. I think that this draft will be much better than the naysayers think. I think the Browns will win at least five games next year. Go Packers!

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/2/2018 6:39:57 AM

Mayfield may not have been a bad pick.

As I posted before,there was lot of talk,right before the draft,that the Jets were going to take him.

Yesterday a story came out that, if the Browns took someone else,The Patriots were ready to move heaven and earth to move up to the second pick to get Mayfield.

Their problem would have been what they could offer.

The thing that does have a lot of people scratching their heads is why the Browns didn't take Chubb at #4.

For those of you who get ESPN,they did a series called "Hey Rookie,Welcome To The NFL".
It followed Barkely and Chubb from pre-draft training to draft night.

Very well done.
Both seem like nice guys,from strong families.

Last Edited: 5/2/2018 6:40:46 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/3/2018 1:28:38 PM

Comparing Mayfield and Manziel is insulting. One is a guy who walked on at two major football programs, has an in incredible football IQ and works harder than anyone else on his team. The other was Johnny Football, a gridiron concoction half Billy Madison, half Billy Carter.

I have no idea if Baker Mayfield is good enough or big enough to be an elite NFL quarterback, but it won't be because he's another Johnny Manziel.

Last Edited: 5/3/2018 1:29:22 PM by .

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/4/2018 12:16:42 AM

The only thing I am confident about is that no one, least of all any random fan, knows with any degree of absolute certainty how this draft will play out for any team. I have guys I liked and guys I don't like, and I think my opinions are more informed than the average fan, but I still accept there's too much at play here for me to really know what's going to happen.

These are young 20-something year old kids. What a kid is at 21 or 22 isn't what he is at 25 or 26 let alone 30 or 31.

I think most will agree Bill Belichick is probably the greatest NFL Draft guru in the NFL or at least he is Top 5 and certainly Top 10. Bill Belichick has missed on more players than he has hit on.

It's a crapshoot. The worst Browns draft ever is hitting .100 instead of .200. Thankfully the Browns gave themselves more at-bats than everyone else so even if the bats go cold we are going to have some guys on-base.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: A Question For Browns Fans

Posted: 5/4/2018 11:09:13 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

I agree that there is no comparison between Mayfield and Manziel as college quarterbacks; however, comparing the pro game with the college game is like comparing apples to oranges. The real question is whether the Browns have been suckered once again into accepting all the hype.

It seems pretty clear that an undersized quarterback starts with having a distinct disadvantage in the pro game. That doesn't mean that this disadvantage can't be overcome. Russell Wilson being a perfect example of the exception to this particular rule of thumb.

All that said, I would love to see the Browns become relevant again, but drafting Mayfield, like was the case with Manziel, seems like a high stakes sort of bet that lacks the better odds that might have gone along with drafting the likes of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, and Josh Rosen.

As my acting teacher in college once said, "Make it big or blow it big!"

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