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allen
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  Message Not Read  cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 10:03:44 AM 
OSU has 89 players on scholarship. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/e6e0430e-1094-34fb-8337-55...


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UpSan Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 1:41:10 PM 
It says 88 actually because one has been medically disqualified and they have until September to get down to 85. I'm sure one way or another, they will lose three more players by then.

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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 2:05:39 PM 
According to the article, they are down to 88 from 89. Still, it's not cheating. They can actually fund only 85, so there are 3 people who have been promised money for this fall who won't get it. OSU may know who all of those are already, and the kids may know as well. For example, suppose some player has already told the coaches he plans to transfer after Spring ball? Now they are at 87. Suppose two other players have injuries, and are going to hang the cleats up after rehabbing with the team this Spring, now they are at 85, and everything is back in order.

Overbooking, while not cheating, is questionable as far as ethics. Sometimes it puts the coaches in a difficult spot where they have to yank a scholarship from a player and fail to honor a commitment. All schools, including Ohio, have done it at one point or another. Suppose that Ohio promises a scholarship to someone, expecting them to not qualify, but just issuing it on the hope they can get the player later from JUCO, and then, to their surprise, the player does qualify. Whilte that's great news, it can put them in an overbooked situation, and they have to find room for him somewhere else.


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Day Tripper
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 2:21:20 PM 
SEC schools over book big time. I remember there was a ESPN show on it a while back. They covered a player who was recruited and went to summer camp and found out the scholarship he had was yanked at the last minute. Of course he could stay as a walk on but he had to pay his own way. Needless to say, he couldn't afford it and it was way too late to play for some one else.

Last Edited: 3/6/2018 2:23:09 PM by Day Tripper

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 5:16:46 PM 
L.C. wrote:
According to the article, they are down to 88 from 89. Still, it's not cheating. They can actually fund only 85, so there are 3 people who have been promised money for this fall who won't get it. OSU may know who all of those are already, and the kids may know as well. For example, suppose some player has already told the coaches he plans to transfer after Spring ball? Now they are at 87. Suppose two other players have injuries, and are going to hang the cleats up after rehabbing with the team this Spring, now they are at 85, and everything is back in order.

Overbooking, while not cheating, is questionable as far as ethics. Sometimes it puts the coaches in a difficult spot where they have to yank a scholarship from a player and fail to honor a commitment. All schools, including Ohio, have done it at one point or another. Suppose that Ohio promises a scholarship to someone, expecting them to not qualify, but just issuing it on the hope they can get the player later from JUCO, and then, to their surprise, the player does qualify. Whilte that's great news, it can put them in an overbooked situation, and they have to find room for him somewhere else.


Exactly, and don’t believe for one minute that we’ve not been there, this will take care of itself, it always does.
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/6/2018 5:18:45 PM 
What Ohio does, most years, is offer enough scholarships to get to 85. Then, if someone leaves, that frees up a scholarship, which they then award to a walkon. Typically two to three players leave the program each year. And, yes, Billy, Ohio has been in the other position, too.

Last Edited: 3/6/2018 5:21:40 PM by L.C.


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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/7/2018 12:59:17 AM 
L.C. wrote:
What Ohio does, most years, is offer enough scholarships to get to 85. Then, if someone leaves, that frees up a scholarship, which they then award to a walkon. Typically two to three players leave the program each year. And, yes, Billy, Ohio has been in the other position, too.


Ok, thanks for the info


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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: cheating
   Posted: 3/8/2018 11:36:17 AM 
L.C. wrote:
What Ohio does, most years, is offer enough scholarships to get to 85. Then, if someone leaves, that frees up a scholarship, which they then award to a walkon. Typically two to three players leave the program each year. And, yes, Billy, Ohio has been in the other position, too.


LC, I like how you said "most" years. ;-)
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