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Topic:  RE: Germano and Collins retiring

Topic:  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/25/2021 11:34:06 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
SBH wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
My first read on this is Albin trying to save his job: "Our horrible play this year ain't my fault, it's the fault of these lousy assistants. I'll hire new ones, and we'll be off the races next year." [probably not far off an actual quote, but in reality it's just what I'm imaging he said and/or thought]


Perhaps he's taking much needed steps to hold his staff accountable for poor performance. Something Frank did not necessarily do.


Isn't the buck supposed to stop at the top? Or doesn't that apply anymore?


All Iím saying is that Iíve seen this movie before, and itís always ended the same way. HC is on the hot seat; HC fires some assistants (or they ďretireĒ); HC buys himself another year or two; HCís record doesnít improve much if at all; HC is fired. Maybe this time itíll have a different ending, but color me skeptical.


"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/25/2021 12:34:05 PM 
Shouldn't a new head coach get to choose his own assistants? Albin didn't have that opportunity for obvious reasons.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/26/2021 2:18:24 PM 
The more I read about these two guys the more I am convinced itís a matter of player recruitment rather than their coaching styles.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/26/2021 9:49:31 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
The more I read about these two guys the more I am convinced itís a matter of player recruitment rather than their coaching styles.


I think Itís a matter of both, but Iím coming around to your way of thinking about recruiting, which needs to be ratcheted up a notch or two. We ought to be able to recruit at least as well as as Toledo or WMU!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 9:49:43 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
The more I read about these two guys the more I am convinced itís a matter of player recruitment rather than their coaching styles.


I think Itís a matter of both, but Iím coming around to your way of thinking about recruiting, which needs to be ratcheted up a notch or two. We ought to be able to recruit at least as well as as Toledo or WMU!


When you state this you are admitting that Frank has a big hand in the decline of OHIO football. Coaching style did not change over the month of July.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 9:50:25 AM 
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Shouldn't a new head coach get to choose his own assistants? Albin didn't have that opportunity for obvious reasons.


Last coach who did not get to hire their own staff and took what was given was Brian Knorr.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 10:56:13 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
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Shouldn't a new head coach get to choose his own assistants? Albin didn't have that opportunity for obvious reasons.


Last coach who did not get to hire their own staff and took what was given was Brian Knorr.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 11:53:52 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
The more I read about these two guys the more I am convinced itís a matter of player recruitment rather than their coaching styles.


I think Itís a matter of both, but Iím coming around to your way of thinking about recruiting, which needs to be ratcheted up a notch or two. We ought to be able to recruit at least as well as as Toledo or WMU!


When you state this you are admitting that Frank has a big hand in the decline of OHIO football. Coaching style did not change over the month of July.


Well, it appears Frank knew how to get more out of the talent on hand than Tim. Does anyone here think Frank would have gone 3-9 with this team?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 3:00:27 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Shouldn't a new head coach get to choose his own assistants? Albin didn't have that opportunity for obvious reasons.


Last coach who did not get to hire their own staff and took what was given was Brian Knorr.


Huh? Entire staff went with Grobe. Knorr had to build entire staff from scratch.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 3:33:50 PM 
Looks like some coaching changes have helped Michigan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/27/2021 8:01:54 PM 
Is Tremayne Scott close to being ready to take a bigger role in the defense staff? Would appreciate input from someone with more in depth knowledge than I.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/28/2021 2:01:20 AM 
Billy, those that have followed me on this but blog know that I have complained about recruiting for years. We are always near the bottom of the Mac and do not recruit enough good players at the same time to win a championship. And donít tell me The recruiting services donít know what theyíre talking about when they rate Ohio recruits. All MAC recruits are rated in the same manner. Ours are just always to the middle or bottom of the pack.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/28/2021 8:46:33 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Billy, those that have followed me on this but blog know that I have complained about recruiting for years. We are always near the bottom of the Mac and do not recruit enough good players at the same time to win a championship. And donít tell me The recruiting services donít know what theyíre talking about when they rate Ohio recruits. All MAC recruits are rated in the same manner. Ours are just always to the middle or bottom of the pack.


Truth Hurts. During the Frank Solich era we've never had a #1 recruiting class in the MAC. Our current class (if i can even say that, since it's literally 2 verbals) appears to be one of the worst in a long long time. I'm seeing FCS teams with more verbal commits than OU. It's quite sad.

Are we not recruiting? Are we not putting out offers? It's ok, OU apparently prides themselves on putting out the least amount of offers...and apparently the least amount of commits...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/30/2021 8:20:47 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Shouldn't a new head coach get to choose his own assistants? Albin didn't have that opportunity for obvious reasons.


Last coach who did not get to hire their own staff and took what was given was Brian Knorr.


Huh? Entire staff went with Grobe. Knorr had to build entire staff from scratch.



Grobe did, however, Knorr did not hire at least 4 of his coaches. They were given to him by the Athletic Director. Hence, how you got Kish and Gregory. Neither would have been hired by Knorr. Hell, Kish had zero experience with the Defense that Knorr ran under Grobe. That was a huge failure, but that was the product of the AD, not the Head Coach.

Last Edited: 11/30/2021 8:23:27 AM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Germano and Collins retiring
   Posted: 11/30/2021 8:21:54 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Billy, those that have followed me on this but blog know that I have complained about recruiting for years. We are always near the bottom of the Mac and do not recruit enough good players at the same time to win a championship. And donít tell me The recruiting services donít know what theyíre talking about when they rate Ohio recruits. All MAC recruits are rated in the same manner. Ours are just always to the middle or bottom of the pack.


I've not disagreed with you on recruiting in anyway.
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