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Topic: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

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giacomo
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Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/20/2021 1:48:13 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-football-coaches-fir...

Virginia Tech paying 8.5M. Texas paid 24M to get rid of the staff last year. Ridiculous.

Last Edited: 11/20/2021 1:48:43 PM by giacomo

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 2:17:29 PM

One thing I didn’t mention: as a result of these huge buyouts, both schools could not fix the hand dryers in the restrooms and had to down grade the soft pretzels.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 2:22:52 PM

Mullen out at Florida.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 6:27:21 PM

Chip Lindsey out at Troy. Was 15-19 in almost three seasons.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 6:57:51 PM

If enough schools fire their coach, James Franklin can keep losing this season at State Penn and still bolt to somewhere else. That honeymoon should be over soon.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 9:33:19 PM

greencat wrote:

If enough schools fire their coach, James Franklin can keep losing this season at State Penn and still bolt to somewhere else. That honeymoon should be over soon.

I don't know about the honeymoon being over. Read an article about the incoming recruiting class being ranked second only to the Tide's. That could buy him time.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/21/2021 10:14:59 PM

greencat wrote:

If enough schools fire their coach, James Franklin can keep losing this season at State Penn and still bolt to somewhere else. That honeymoon should be over soon.

Rumor is that he is about to sign or has already signed an extension at Penn State
https://www.on3.com/teams/penn-state-nittany-lions/news/p... /

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 8:48:40 AM

I heard somewhere that the record number of firings in one season was 2011, somewhere in the 30+ range. We're about halfway there and the season isn't even over yet.

Last Edited: 11/22/2021 8:50:15 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 10:20:08 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

I heard somewhere that the record number of firings in one season was 2011, somewhere in the 30+ range. We're about halfway there and the season isn't even over yet.

Firings or openings? Because the number of openings will shoot up as current coaches leave to fill some of these openings

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 12:45:37 PM

mf279801 wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

I heard somewhere that the record number of firings in one season was 2011, somewhere in the 30+ range. We're about halfway there and the season isn't even over yet.

Firings or openings? Because the number of openings will shoot up as current coaches leave to fill some of these openings

Firings, because 30 openings would only be 15 firings.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 4:50:38 PM

No one else thinks the millions in payouts are crazy and shouldn't be happening?

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 4:54:43 PM

giacomo wrote:

No one else thinks the millions in payouts are crazy and shouldn't be happening?

Little difference between this and CEOs walking way with millions when fired. Capitalism has always benefited the top.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/22/2021 8:55:47 PM

giacomo wrote:

No one else thinks the millions in payouts are crazy and shouldn't be happening?

What's your point? There's only 3 ways they don't happen:
1) Schools stick with their losing/bad coaches through the end of their contracts, regardless the damage that does to recruiting, fan support, fund raising, etc.

2) Schools concoct real or imagined reasons to fire said losing/bad coaches "for cause" (thus voiding or reducing the buy-out). These justifications may be subsequently found to have been dubious or insufficient (hello Kansas and David Beatty), leading to reinstated buyouts and (depending on how nasty things get) putative or compensatory damages. Alternatively, you'd see a rise in the proportion of contracts that require pay-out regardless of NCAA or other sanction.

3) If real, enforceable mechanisms are developed that release schools from their contractual obligation to pay out the previously negotiated and mutually agreed to buyouts for early termination of a coach's contract, I predict you'd start to see contracts that are heavily front loaded to mitigate this risk (e.g. currently Coach A is signed to a school to coach for 10 years at $10 million/year; to mitigate against early-termination risk/legally excused welching on the buyout, Coach A's contract might instead be structured such that he's paid $99.1 Million dollars in year 1 and $100,000/year in years 2-10).

Do you think any of those are more likely than large payouts continuing to be paid?

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/24/2021 4:11:16 PM

These kinds of buyouts show that college football and hoops is not an amateur operation any longer, at least at the P5. These recent NIL deals are peanuts compared to what should and will happen to player compensation eventually. You can't have it both ways.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/24/2021 5:13:10 PM

giacomo wrote:

These kinds of buyouts show that college football and hoops is not an amateur operation any longer,.

Was never amateur sports. You really think Wooden didn't pay /. know of payments to players? Really?

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/24/2021 6:35:13 PM

cc-cat wrote:

giacomo wrote:

These kinds of buyouts show that college football and hoops is not an amateur operation any longer,.

Was never amateur sports. You really think Wooden didn't pay /. know of payments to players? Really?

Or to families, through a booster giving a parent a job. That has even happened, and probably still happens, at some of the bigger high schools.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/24/2021 10:25:54 PM

I agree and it’s always gone on. I could tell you stories about little old me. Why does it have to be under the table? I will say that when coaches were being paid like professors, that kind of stuff was penny ante. Sure, it went on, but the dollars are much bigger today. The NCAA doesn’t want to deal with the baggage of players being employees, but that’s what they are in the new era. The coaches salaries and buyouts are indicative, as well as the TV deals. It’s time to move on and give up the charade.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/24/2021 11:46:48 PM

cc-cat wrote:

giacomo wrote:

These kinds of buyouts show that college football and hoops is not an amateur operation any longer,.

Was never amateur sports. You really think Wooden didn't pay /. know of payments to players? Really?

Violations such as items of clothing happened through Sam Gilbert at UCLA, but not outright cash payments. See Seth Davis' definitive biography on Wooden, which is hardly a hagiography.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/25/2021 10:07:36 AM

Pataskala wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

giacomo wrote:

These kinds of buyouts show that college football and hoops is not an amateur operation any longer,.

Was never amateur sports. You really think Wooden didn't pay /. know of payments to players? Really?

Or to families, through a booster giving a parent a job. That has even happened, and probably still happens, at some of the bigger high schools.

That's happened at way more schools than you think

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/25/2021 10:50:03 AM

Marshall comes to mind.

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/25/2021 11:57:55 AM

No-work jobs used to be very common for collage athletes, even pray tell at our dear old alma mater. Yes, at OHIO. I remember back in my student days, in the Hess Era, I had a fellow student and football player brag to me about his nice cushy job where he got a regular paycheck from the university and showing up and working was strictly optional. He kind of considered it a perk of being a scholarship football player.

Now, up at the Big Football Farm in Cowtown, there was a professor (initials of WWS) who gave every OSU athlete one letter grade higher than he earned if he took WWS’ public relations class during the quarter that his sport was being played. WWS announced this openly in class for all to hear. His rational was that the athlete was engaged in a public relation program for the university when on the field or court. (I’ve used the male pronoun here because as best I can recall there were few if any women’s varsity sports at that time at Cowtown U.)

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/26/2021 2:58:05 PM

Why continue the charade?

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RE: Whole Lotta Firin’ Goin’ On

Posted: 11/26/2021 3:22:09 PM

Skip Holtz done at LaTech.

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